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Amb. Dobrynin/Mr. Kissinger
12:25 p.m., June 30, 1972
D:
Yeah, I understand. Well, the only thing we should really put in the
promise is what you said in the middle. I mean, if they are really
going to tell everything to all the people who come to them having
nothing to do with the Administration and just give out publicly, then
there is no sense to negotiate.
K:
And then we will have to break off.
D:
Yeah, this I am prepared to ask on your behalf of my people in Moscow
to tender to Hanoi. This I could do.
K:
I think if you could do that, it would really --
D:
Of course, nothing about the first time because nobody could -- Well,
you know, they make a statement after all it's really perfectly clear
and without any specific threat. As you know, the statement that was
released by the Chinese. I mean, on the last threat.
K:
Let them try to talk seriously. He has never tried it in four years.
D:
Yeah. This I am quite prepared to ask my people to send to them.
I mean, without any specifics that says you will bring them to their
knees, as you know.
K:
No, no; you know, this is for your information.
D:
Yeah, I understand.
K:
I mean, we will have to do something.
D:
Who is from Labor going there?
K:
Well, I think from the Teamsters Union.
D:
Oh, Teamsters. It doesn't really matter about names really.
K:
I think it's Gibbons.
D:
Yeah. I mean there is no specific -- it doesn't matter. On this I am
prepared to tell what you mentioned to me about if they are going to
start out publically that you are going to break, there is nothing new but
it will be once again confirmation of your position.
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