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TELCON
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Amb. Dobrynin/Mr. Kissinger
11:22 p.m., October 23, 1972
T
K:
he ambiguity was always this, I have always told them that I had to
to to Saigon and that I would do my best. Now you can read from the
newspapers that I have met with the Saigon people 15 hours a day for
4 days. Now you have dealt with Vietnamese and you know it doesn't
work so fast.
D:
Yeah. So if I might shorten your message in this way because it's now
in Moscow already 8 o'clock in the morning so if we take into
consideration some urgence of the message. So I may put it this way,
you called and
received some messages from my co-government
and you feel it's rather threatening and may have on the whole
but what you are suggesting now is really to
give a chance to meet once more and to discuss some maybe changes
which you feel as you put it are rather cosmetic ones.
K:
That is correct.
D:
Yes, and that's why you really like them not to be hasty in their decision
but rather to look further into this to the
commitment or
rather statement you make that you are serious and once you really
come to agreement, then there will be no any more changes.
K:
I will make a commitment that we will not ask for any more changes.
D:
Yes, this is it. And you are going to tell me tomorrow what really it's
all about?
K:
Exactly.
D:
What is the major issue, which you think is difficult? Could you
mention to me right now? Is it their troops?
K:
Well, the major issue is to do something about their troops, not all
of them.
D:
Yes.
some but it's not to be in a --
K:
And it's not to be written in the agreement.
D:
Yeah, I understand.
K:
And another issue is, you know, where we talk about this Committee.
D:
Committee of what?
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