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Amb. Dobrynin/Mr. Kissinger
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4:37 p.m., July 13, 1973
K:
Well, Scheel is of the opinion -- I didn't put it to Scheel that way
because I wanted it to look spontaneous.
D:
I understand.
K:
But I talked to Scheel in a sense that will make it easy for us to take
the initiative -- you know, to support you.
D:
I understand.
K:
I told Scheel that in our view if he showed some you know, if you
showed some response, that we then had an obligation to be flexible.
D:
Yeah, I understand.
K:
And he agreed.
D:
I
see. It's along the lines. Okay. I already send yesterday to Gromyko
change what you mentioned to me. Of course in a general way.
K:
You can now tell him that I talked to Scheel in a way that prepared the
ground for that without, of course, mentioning my conversations with you.
D:
No, I understand. This is clear. And there was no
discussion
about East Germany and there was no discussion or anything
about it. I mean, I'm sure it was discussed but what I mean
--
K:
No, it was, as a matter of fact, No, East Germany was not discussed.
D:
No, I mean about the Commission.
K:
About what?
D:
About the Commission - East Germany or rather diplomatic relations
between you and them?
K:
We will do that.
D:
After the --
K:
The UN.
D:
UN, yes.
K:
Yes. That's not a problem.
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