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    "ocrText": "DOCUMENT WITHDRAWAL RECORD [NIXON PROJECT]\nDOCUMENT\nDOCUMENT\nNUMBER\nTYPE\nSUBJECT/TITLE OR CORRESPONDENTS\nDATE\nRESTRICTION\n1\nTelcon\nHAK and Anatoliy Dobiynin ( I p.)\n12/27/73\nB\nSAMITIZED\nVARITILLU\nDECLASSIFIED\nper RAC review\n8/12/09\nY\nTilcon\nHAK and William Cilby (ip.)\n12/27/73\nB\nDECLASSIFIED\nper RAC review\n4/9/09\nFILE GROUP TITLE\nBOX, NUMBER\nKissings Transcripts - Telephone Conversations\n28\nFOLDER TITLE\n1973 Nov. - Dec. (4)\nRESTRICTION CODES\nA. Release would violate a Federal statute or Agency Policy.\nE. Release would disclose trade secrets or confidential commercial or\nB. National security classified information.\nfinancial information.\nC. Pending or approved claim that release would violate an individual's\nF. Release would disclose investigatory information compiled for law\nrights.\nenforcement purposes.\nD. Release would constit ute a clearly unwarranted invasion of privacy\nG. Withdrawn and return private and personal material.\nor a libel of a living person.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Enaman and returned non-historical material.\nDECLASSIFIED\nNATIONAL ARCHIVES Add BSen PMINT pursuant to Executive Order 93526 and determined to be declassified. NA 14021 (4-85)\nTELCON\nAmb. Dobrynin\nSecretary Kissinger\n1:35 p.m. 11/1/73\nD:\nHello?\nK:\nAnatol.\nD:\nOh hell, Henry. Good afternoon. This is I received a telegram from--\nin connection with we discussed with the President and\n--you\nremember the message of Brezhnev about this same thing - those\npeople who represent our two and them--\nK:\nYeh, but we haven't really agreed to it yet.\nD:\nNo, no, no. I know. They are answering me to tell you on your\nremark. And you have to report back to the President and then\nyou ask his final answer.\nK:\nRight.\nD:\nSo the question really is to tell you they are positively looking to ideas\nwhich you expressed aloud that those people who could be appointed\nby both of our governments Soviet Union and the United States to\nlook about it--the ceasefire agreement on israeli-Egypt front were at the\nsame time represented their\nof both governments during the\nnegotiations on Middle East settlement in accordance with agreement which\nK:\nOne minute, Anatol. There must be a misunderstanding- - -we have\nnever agreed to foreign special representatives to supervise the\nceasefire - -it is a UN responsibility.\nD:\nYou say that they may come there.\nK:\nI said that we are prepared to appoint the people who would provide the\nauspices and who perhaps in the performance of their duties could\ndo some traveling, but not for the ceasefire - but for the auspices.\nD:\nNo for the auspices we appoint a force which is nothing new--\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nPage 2\nK:\nBut the people who are providing the auspices can also do some\ntraveling.\nD:\nYeh, I understand, but you remember -\nK:\nWe have not agreed to a ceasefire- to separate US-USSR ceasefire\nsupervision Anatol.\nD:\nBut it was proposed you were saying that those people could come there\n--it - was this way. We proposed. - I'm just trying to recall how it was\nhappened. This proposal would the people be sent there - - and you said\nokay then they go there for a very brief time but then better to have\nthe people then or maybe it was a good idea you could have then to be\nrepresented on the auspices--under the auspices for that settlement.\nSo it was in this way it presented in a proposal and SO on.\nK:\nRight.\nD:\nSo it is not exactly that you proposed to have auspices - it was to make\na proposal on this to send them there and you said it could be developed\nin a different place. So I could make a reservation from what you said\nthat you want not--\nK:\nSo Israel I doubt whether Israel will agree to it, but I have presented\nit to them.\nD:\nYeh. That was in connection with your thinking- and as for our possible\nyou remember\nAmerican representative to Tel Aviv this question\ncould be considered originally when it will be the response of\nSo what will it now be for you really for you to report to the President and\nwhen he okays, will be ready immediately or not immediately we will be\nready to discuss in more concrete terms the practical sides of all this\nK:\nOkay.\nD:\nI don't know how you--I am sure you will discuss problems with Israelis\nbut for my own information--could you tell something to us tomorrow let\nus say?\nK:\nYes. I hope to get you an answer tomorrow. Assuming we can get the\nIsraelis to agree--one of the maddening things of this situation is that\neveryday we are being asked five more things we have to get them to agree\nto.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nPage 3\nD:\nNo, is this - for the last days we haven't said anything.\nK:\nNo, no you've been more restrained than your Egyptian allies.\nD:\nEgyptians are you know--but on this it really matters that discuss\nwith the President, so we would really like to have a reply.\nK:\nWe will reply tomorrow.\nD:\nOkay, but take into consideration this particular answer which you give\nme right now.\nK:\nExactly. We'll take it very seriously.\nD:\nAnd then second, this is from Gromyko saying once again about the\ncomposition of this United Nations Force on the Middle East.\nHe is just asking me to tell you--to emphasize once again the\nimportance adopted by the Security Council Resolution principle where\nfair geographic distribution. Because this described in the telegram\nsaying he really could not give any good for Waldheim. Waldheim\nis doing everything what he is told by Scale and of course we are going to\npress on Scali fr om now on but they hope that really he will understand\nthe Security Council.\nK:\nWell, I understand we now settled the two-observerquestion.\nD:\nThat is my impression, yes. But now it is about the troops and we\nare feeling that about Poland, Czechs and Bulgaria.\nK:\nYou want all three of them?\nD:\nThat was proposed, I don't know all of them or one of them. It's\nnot my business, because I have my own things, but I know Waldheim said\nK:\nBut the principle we have tried to follow is that it should be\ncomposed of countries that are--have diplomatic relations with both sides\nD:\nAnd this is that you couldn't give up any man from Africa because\nnobody else is left except South Africa and we couldn't go along those\nlines really, to be strictly observers, after all its Security Council\ndecision. So I understand your point because they told you so.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nPage 4\nK:\nIt's not just what Israelis have told us, but there is a certain elemental\nfairness to have an emergency force which is supposed toqerate between\nthe two sides. But--which is composed to a considerable extent of\ncountries that have broken relations with one of the sides and therefore\ncannot be - cannot presume to be impartial.\nD:\nYeh. It is clear, but at the same time it could be done if just accepting\nwhat they are telling really\nK:\nIf you had had my talks with the Prime Minister of Israel, you wouldn't\nsuffer from the illusion that we are doing everything they are telling us.\nD:\nNo, no.\nK:\nThey are accusing of betraying them\n-\non\nD:\nI don't know what you are telling but\nthe pressure /you is very\nclear. I am sure she could do it along those lines. Public pressure.\nReally Henry Gromyko asked me to have you look into this matter\nand\nK:\nI will look into it.\nD:\nWhat kind of answer I have to give Gromkyo because now he is pressing\nme on this\nK:\nI'll have to talk to Scali - - 111 call you later this afternoon.\nD:\nToday.\nK:\nBefore the end of the day-\nD:\nYou report to me huh?\nK:\nYes.\nD:\nGood, thank you very much.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELECON\nAmbassador Dobrynin/Secretary Kissinger\nNovember 1, 1973\n3:30\nK: I called you to see if you were with any of our allies and\nsecondly to make sure you are not corrupting any non-aligned.\nD:\nLaughter\nK: What I would like to propose to you on this force the non-aligned have\nnow proposed Ghana and Yugoslavia and also they have proposed that\nCanada and Poland should be on the back-up logistics force. We will\naccept Ghana. We cannot accept Yugoslavia. We can accept Poland\nand Canada as back-up, SO you win two out of three and we recommend\nRomania instead of Yugoslavia.\nD: In this case we will be against Romania.\nK: We will be against Yugoslavia.\nD: If it comes from the Warsaw pact. anyway we don't want to put it on\nthis basis. I am just telling you this off the record SO to speak.\nK: We will accept on Poland for the back-up.\nD: What is back-up?\nK: For logisti CS support.\nD: Did Poland ask for logistics support?\nK: That is my understanding.\nD: You understand.\nwas not\nfrom our side\nK: If this compromise is accepted the only outstanding\nis Yugoslavia.\nD: I know. I don't have anything specific.\nK: I can instruct Scali to do this. I thought you might calm down Malik.\nD: I did not know anything about Poland or logistics\nK: This is not a new proposal by us. We are accepting an existing\nproposal.\nMy understanding is the Poland and Canada\nis the existing\nproposal.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\n- 2 -\nD: I understand, but I don't have this information and you are right.\nI haven't heard anything. As ofnow, I will tell Ghana.\nK: Ghana, we will accept.\nD: In this combination. not acceptable to us.\nK: Why are you so hard on one of your allies ?. member of the Warsaw\nPact.\nD: On this I know.\nWe give you Poland, Czechoslovakia and Bulgaria.\nK: We have taken Poland.\nthe Bulgarians will head m rth against the\nTurks. That's the only country they can fight\nD: Well, Henry, as for Romania, I would like you to not insist\non this.\nK: We don't.\nonly insist against Yugoslavia. This is all\nI have.\nThere is only\nD: I could\nK: I have\nI told you about Poland. is a concession. This is a sign\nof good will.\nD: I am asking you.\nK: I understand that it is the existing proposal we have up to now refused\nand are now accepting.\nD: Quite all right and the question of\nas is. You will inform me\nK; I am informing you. We will not accept Yugoslavia. We are not against.\nD: But, this has nothing to do with Canada and Poland.\nK: That was our recommendation for\n.\nD: Let me put it this way. Canada and Poland is support.\nK: Yes, but we will not accept\nto Poland. another country. We have\nmade a concess ion with Ghana and Poland.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nV\n- 3 -\nD: As you know, Canada and Poland on logistics. As for Ghana, I\ndon't have anything, but you. should not mention you're against\nYugoslavia. As for Romania, you\nK: Yes, but that I don't insist on. Maybe we should drop them both.\nHow about Serbia, Montenegro.\nD:\nK: If you keep it up your allies will ask for Albania.\nD: That you will accept.\nK: We don't recognize Albania.\nD: Neigher do we. I will tell about our Canada and Poland. on this\nyou will bring in tomorrow.\nK: On the other one, yes.\nEND\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTelCon\nGeneral Scowcroft\nAmbassador Dobrynin\n10:02 a. m. - 11/7/73\nD:\nThis is the Ambassador speaking.\nS:\nThis is General Scowcroft. Is the Ambassador there?\nD:\nYes, this is the Ambassador speaking.\nS:\nOh, how are you today?\nD:\nThank you very much. How are you?\nS:\nHappy holiday.\nD:\nThank you very much, very much.\nS:\nWhat are you doing in the office working?\nD:\nWell I am here not really trying to work, I am just thinking it out.\nWell when the day will come to arrive you will be in the office\nwhen we have a celebration. Still hoping.\nS:\nStill hoping, some day.\nD:\nYes.\nS:\nI have a message from Henry that he wanted to pass to you for your\nown information to hold very close until noon. He has reached with\nthe Egyptians in principle for the resumption of diplomatic relations\nbetween the two of them - our two governments. And at noon today\nwe will announce the following: \"The Governments of the United\nStates and of Egypt have agreed in principle to resume diplomatic\nrelations at an early date. The two governments have also agreed\nthat in the meantime the respective interests sections of the two\ncountries will be raised immediately to the Ambassadorial level.\nThe Governmentsof Egypt has named Ambassador Ashraf Ghorbal.\nD:\nAshraf Ghorbal.\nS:\nGhorbal (General Scowcroft spells the name).\nThe United States has designated Ambassador Hermann Eilts.\n(General Scowcroft spells the name Eilts.)\nD:\nWho is he. I don't know him.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\n- 2 -\nS:\nHe is a former Ambassador to Sauda Arabia.\nD:\nOh, what has he done lately(?)\nS:\nI think he is retired. I don't honestly know. I am not sure.\nD:\nWell, he is pronnunced Eilts?\nS:\nEilts. Yes.\nThey will take up their posts promptly.\" That is the end of the\nannouncement and we will make that at noon today.\nD:\nNoon today.\nS:\nBut wanted you to know before hand.\nD:\nThank you very much.\nS: OK.\nD:\nYea, thank you very much and ah - - he is still there.\nS:\nHe is still there. That is right. He will be there all day today. If\nI get more information I will call you.\nD:\nand I will call you.\nS:\nVery good.\nD: OK.\nS:\nThank you very much.\nD:\nThank you very much. bye bye.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nAmb. Dobrynin/Gen. Scowcroft\n12:12 - Nov. 7, $973\nD:\nHello.\nS:\nHello, Mr. Ambassador. How are you?\nD:\nHello once again.\nS:\nThat's right, I'm really making you work.\nD:\nWe'll complain to the President.\nS:\nI have some more information for you now.\nD:\nO.K. Thank you very much.\nS:\nWe have agreed with President Sadat on a proposal.\nD:\nOn what proposal?\nS:\nOn a proposal for cease-fire, prisoners, October 22nd line.\nI'd like to read it to you if I can.\nD:\nO,K. Is it a long one? Short one?\nS:\nIts fairly short.\nD:\nThen may I put it down?\nS:\nSurely.\nD:\nO.K. Read it.\nS:\nNumber one. Egypt and Israel agree to observe scrupulously\nthe cease-fire called for by the UN Security Council. Number\ntwo. Both sides agree that discussions between them will\nbegin immediately to settle the question of the return to the\nOctober 22nd position in the framework of agreement on the\ndisengagement and separation of forces. Number three.\nThe town of Suez will receive daily supplies of food, water and\nmedicine. All wounded civilians in the town of Suez will be\nevacuated. Number 4. There shall be no impediment to the\nmovement of non-military supplies to the East Bank. Number 5.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\n-2-\nThe Israeli check points on the Cairo-Suez road will be replaced\nby UN check points. At the Suez end of the road an Israeli\nofficer can participate with the UNtto supervise the non-military\nnature of the cargo. Number six. As soon as the UN check points\nare established,onthe Cairo-Suez Road there will be an exchange\nof all POWs, all prisoners, including the wounded.\" Now that's\nthe proposal.\nD:\nWhat do you mean proposal? What have they agreed upon?\nS:\nWell, this is what they agreed upon and Sisco is now on his way to\nTel Aviv, to try to get the acquiescence of the Israeli Government.\nD:\nAs of now\n. yes?\nS:\nThat is correct.\nD:\nNow you're waiting for permission from Tel Aviv.\nThat is right. Now there's also an oral understanding between the\nU.S. and Egypt, and it is as follows. It's just a very short\nsentence.\nD:\nThis is in care of you?\nS:\nThat's right. And it's as follows: \"Egypt undertakes to ease the\nblockade at Bob El Mundab. = That's down at the end of the Red Sea.\nNow that's just an oral understanding.\nD:\nAn oral understanding. I think it's congratulatory -- we are\napproaching to something.\nS:\nI think it looks encouraging.\nD:\nYes, definitely.\nS:\nYeah, I think so.\nD:\nBut I think Israel should agree because it's really all their ideas.\nprobably after Israel agrees with it.\nS:\nI would think so, yes.\nD:\nNow you need\nfrom them.\nS:\nThat's right 80 I'll let you know as soon as we hear from them.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\n-3-\nD:\nThank you very much. This kind of news I don't mind even\nS:\nNot even on a holiday. One other thing Henry asked me to tell\nyou, that Egypt has accepted the joint US-Soviet auspices for the\npeace talks, and the Security Council procedure which you two\nhave discussed. He says you two can talk about the details when\nhe gets back.\nD:\nYes, thank you very much.\nS:\nThank you, vetygood, Mr. Ambassador. Good bye.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nNovember 7, 1973 - 3:30 p.m.\nGeneral Scowcroft/Ambassador Dobrynin\nS:\nExactly, that's what we're working on now and exactly.... How long\nwill be necessary to postpone it, it's hard to say right now. But I\nwant you to know we did it solely in an attempt to turn an unfevorable\nsituation around.\nD:\nI understand. This was my understanding. I think it will go a little\neasier. the thing to do is to do it quietly, little by little.\nS:\nWell, that's what we thought and some of the\npeople here are\nnot very happy with us.\nD:\nI understand.\nS:\nI wanted to make sure you got the story they way it really happened.\nD:\nI understand. OK. Thank you very much.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELECON\nAmbassador Dobrynin/Secretary Kissinger\nNovember 20, 1973\n5:11 pm\nK:\nNATO again?\nD: On the contrary. I am trying to support you in the UN\nK: That's good. Two things, Anatoyl. I cannot have lunch tomorrow\nbecause I am giving a press conference.\nD: I noticed. You could be influenced by your talk with me. What\nabout Friday?\nK: Friday I can't make lunch, but we can meet during the day.\nD: Alright.\nK: What about Thursday?\nD: Well,\nK: That's Thanksgiving.\nD: Are you working?\nK: I probably will be working.\nD: Are you free on Thursday?\nK: Let me call you tomorrow, probably yes.\nD: If you like, we can meet on Friday at 4 or 5.\nK: Alright then, otherwise we will meet Friday during the day.\nThe other thing is we got reports from the Europeans\nthat the Syrians\nwant the British and French to participate in the Conference.\nD: This could be.\nK: Under these auspices it will turn into a nightmare.\nD: I understand. I know when we discussed just after you left Middle\nEast with the Egyptians and Syrians , they said alright except the French\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified:\n- 2 -\nwill say the Syrians were not that precise.\nbut prepared to say that\nwe are toying with the idea of maybe four. I have no additional\ninformation.\nK: The Egyptians are willing to go along and the Jordanians.\nThe Israelis would not accept.\nD: We didn't encourage.\nK: I think it is essential that you use your influence with the Syrians.\nD: May be could be more precise in joint action.\nK: I am prepared to have a joint letter. I would like you to find out\nfrom the Syrians if they would accept a joint letter from you and me.\nThe most effective would be if you and we wrote a letter to the\nSecretary-General.\nD: Saying that we are.\nK: That it is our understanding that all sides are prepared to accept.\nWe have not asked the Israelis formally and we have not heard from\nthe Egyptians.\nD: I put this way. Let's say in the middle of next week, on Tuesday\nor Wednesday\nK: Let's say Wednesday.\nD: OK, next Wednesday, we are prepared to send a joint letter to Waldheim\nand that it is our understanding they are prepared to accept.\nK: Exactly.\nD: And the Syrians.\nK: Would you check about.\nD: This is the point. I will check with Moscow if it is acceptable.\nCould you send me a little draft?\nK: I will send.\nD: If you could send a draft over by one of your messengers.\nK: Tomorrow morning.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\n- 3 -\nD: Tomorrow morning. OK, tomorrow you send your letter.\nK: Exactly.\nD: How is the cease-fire going?\nK: By Middle East standards, reasonably well.\nD: What about troops?\nK: I think you and we could probably agree. those two could never.\nD: I hope now the Egyptians will give you.\nK: These stories are not true. The Egyptians say they will do\nsomething in 24 hours and we never hear from them again.\nD: OK, you send your letter in draft tomorrow.\nK: OK\nEND\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nSecretary Kissinger\nAmbassador Dobrynin\n11/22/73 10:32 a. m.\nD:\nto make a movie, about our diplomacy- it will be a documentary\nmore or less but in a very positive way.\nK:\nRight.\npicture of\nD:\nAnd they asked me to check if it is possible to make a/just one minute\nmaybe, you and me.\nK:\nCertainly.\nD:\nSo the question really is, for instance, if -- and this is the man who\nworked for - --he is a permanent here and at the same time worked\nfor the Ministry of\nCould you make--he asked me on a very\nshort thing if for instance I would come to you, then he would go out\nwith me, he would just make a few short; is it possible?\nK:\nCertainly. The only problem is - you know it doesn't bother me. I\nam only wearing sports clothes today--\nD:\nI think it doesn't matter really.\nK:\nAnd I just don't want you audiences to think that I treat you too casually.\nD:\n(laughs) I think it will be all right.\nK:\nOtherwise we will do it some other time.\nD:\nBut could you arrange it?\nK:\nCertainly.\nDo you want to do it now?\nD:\nI could wait for an answer for another time. Just want to --\nK:\nNo, I will œfinitely do it.\nD:\nOkay, there is no need for me to press it now, but within let's say, next\nweek we'll do it will that be all right with you?\nK:\nThat will be fine.\nD:\nJust to make it--he would like to make it for about 1 or 2 minutes really\n- --because they would like to have it\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nPage 2\nK:\nGood and we will do it next time we meet or today?\nD:\nWhat you prefer - - if you think it is better for the next time,\nK:\nI'm just wondering what, you know, your audiences in Moscow will\nthink\nD:\nI really don't know, frankly, they probably expect Foreign Minister\nto be a little bit more formally dressed\nK:\nThen let's do it next time\nWe'll certainly meet next week, so let's do it then?\nD:\nOkay, yes, we'll do it this way\nK:\nOkay.\nI'll see you at 11:00\nD:\nYes, thank you very much. Bye.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nV\nTELCON\nAmb. Dobrynin - Secretary Kissinger\nNovember 27, 1973\n4:55 p.m.\nD: How are you, after having brifed all the people in Congress?\nK: Anatoly, Pm going to get a bipartisan foreign policy if it kills\nme.\nD: My impression is you have already got one, after your press\nconference, your meetings with Fulbright, etc.\nK: I think we're getting them under control.\nD: I think SO. How are things going? I have telegram in connection\nwith yesterday's comelaint. I have full text of conversation between\nyour Ambassador and our Ambassador.\nK: Ch, good. I understand that they submitted the letter to\nFawai today.\nD: Good idea.\nK: Fawzi made a few objections.\nD: I have not yet the telegram.\nK: The Egyptians dont want us to be co-chairmen, just participate.\nBut let's wait until you get instructions and then we'll settle it, GK?\nDi OK.\nK: They want the auspices to be under the Secretary General.\nD: They want the Secretary General, I never heard this kind of ideas. We\ndiscussed auspices, not participants.\nK: I think we should insiston the auspices, but not on the co-chairmen.\nD: The auspices, never objected to this one to my knowledge.\nK: I think our European friends may be in on this one.\nD: ru say I discussedwith you along these lines, auspices in Moscow,\nthen the co-chairmen doesn't really matter.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\n2.\nIcbeynin/Kissinger\nNovember 27\n4:55 p.m.\nK: I don't care about the co-chairmen, really. I don't know if\nWaldheim Is bright enough to be chairman of anything.\nD: I don't know if he is really going to be chairman, otherwise\nwe're in trouble.\nK: We would like to nominate Stoessel as Ambassador. We haven't\nasked for 21 formal agrement. Could you get approval?\nD: Am I to check in an official way, or\n?\nK: Officially, yes. We are asking for an agrement for him.\nD: Agrement for him. Fine. Iwill do It right away.\nK: If Its not a problem.\nD: No, no, no problem. When I get a reply we will follow regular\nprocedures as usual.\nK: Secondly, Anatoly, you remember we have an understanding about\nrelease of prisoners.\nD: What prisoners?\nK: Israelis that the Arabs hold.\nD. In moscow when you were there.\nK: The Syrians haven't even given a list and Pm afraid this is going\nto cause complications it they haven't at least given a list of prisoners\nD: I understand the problem.\nK: If you could do comething we would appreciate It.\nD: [will check with Mossow and then let you know. I have no information\non that subject from Moscow. [will checkwrith them on what is real situd\nation. I'll say I understand It would be helpful to do something along\nthose Unes.\nK: Thank you.\nI: Iwant to talk with you 2 Httle bit about our Ambassadors. I have\nfull\ntext\nof\nour\nimpression simple\nthat they simply\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\n3.\nLobrynin/Missinger\nNovember 27\n4:55 p.m.\nsent on to me what he said without correcting It or anything, according\nto this he said, it Was his impression the Egyptian side is not satisfied\nat all by fulfillment of Israells of agreement, by point 2, he said his\nimpression was that the Egyptian side is not satisfied.\nK: Well, that's all right.\nD: He montioned in the telegram the Egyptians complained to him several 11\nto the Ambassander, and his own impression was they are complaining.\nThis would create obstacles\nK: One other thing, Anatoly. The Icraelis keep telling us that there\nis extremely higa readiness of Egyptian forces.\nD This could be. They make public.\nK: No, no. We are telling the Israelis If there is any attack by Israel\nwe will have to oppose them. We hope you will use your influence\nwith The Egyptions to calm them down. We have told our Ambassador\nto tell the Egyptaians.\nK: No chance to discuss it yet.\nD: No, because Fahmi isn't back.\nK: They mentioned to us too in the sense they are afraid of some tricks\nby the Inraelis and tolling they should be prepared, publically caid this.\nnot just to us, from time to time tell us about things, but nothing in\naddition to my Imowledge to what was seld publicoly. I will notify Moow\nso they know\nIn there any change in the elections. Are the Isrneds\ngoing to change the elections?\nK If the Irraells change the elections it will not affect our determination\nto proceed. If the election is not until the C1 then we should not years\nsubstantive motters before than, but if they delay by three months Lich\nwe will TP Into substance right away.\nD: If we must wait so to speak 3 months, It will take at lot of.\nK: We will not take that much time. Only delay which is acceptable is\nthe Clst.\nD: This Is understandable. We do understand that in Moserw.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\n4.\nDobrynin/Kissinger\nNovember 27, 1973\n4:55 p.m. n.\n&: Exactly, I think you and we are on a good countries\nD: That is my impression too.\n& Both the President and I said SD very strongly to the leaders this\nmorning. We talked about Soviet-American dotente and how It has\nproved itell in = crisis.\nI: Ithinkit is true and second It is 2 good thing to do. The summitry,\nthe more open stmosphere will open broad horizons before us.\nK: Right.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELECON\nAmbassador Dobrynin/Secretary Kissinger\nNovember 27, 1973\n5:10 pm\nK: On just one other thing. Where is that cable from Eilts, I am talking\nto some associate here\nthe Israelis also have some points.\nDo you\nthink we can negotiate this thing by the end of 75, the letter.\nD: Laughter.\nK: Israel's want, ru tell you frankly at some point we should just send\nthe letter and tell them to go to hell. They want, a mtnor point, the\nUnited States and Soviet Union have new been informed by the parties\nconcerned of their readiness to enter negotiations among the parties\nconcerned under the auspices of the United States and USSR. They want\nto say between the parties concerned\nsomething like that. They want to\npick up the phraseology of 338.\nD: A minor point, but I don't know how the Arabas. but along the lines\nof the resolution as for others, they don't object.\nK: They have a number of bilateral points with us. without prejudice\n2 possible participants at a subsequent stage by determination by the\nconference.\nD: Clearly stated in your letter\nsettled without changeing.\nK: I noticed I now have a longer telegram from Ellts and he tells me\nthat Fqwzi made these points as suggested\nD: I am writing a telegram to instruct\nto tell them up to now never any\nquestion of auspices.\nK: My strong view is we should not insist on co-chairmanship but insist\non auspices.\nD: Exactly.\nK: If we don't insist on that all hell will break lose If It is under Waldheim.\nD: Laughter, I know the Egyptions and you have never objected to my\nknowledge.\nK: I feel that if you agree we will tell our Ambassador in Cairo that it has\nalways been understood that the auspices would be the US and Sov et Union.\nYou will stick to that?\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nDobrynin - 2 -\nD: I will. on our position you have just mentioned and is our position\nyou want foonfirmed.\nK: As soon as I know Virgridov has been instructed that way I will\ninstruct Eilts that way.\nD: On my problem, I am sure tomorrow I will get reply.\nEND\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nNovember 30, 1973/9:34 a. m.\nHAK/Dobrynin\nD:\nYes?\nK:\nI didn't call you.\nD:\nNo, excuse me I was told to call you.\nK:\nIt's always a joy to hear from you.\nD:\nI must excuse myself.\nK:\nNo, it's alright. Have you had any word from your Arab friends?\nD:\nNot yet because only yesterday Gromyko arrived.\nK:\nGromkyo arrived where.\nD:\nIn Moscow.\nK:\nOh he's back in Moscow.\nD:\nYes because according to the schedule as before he should be at\ne\nK:\nOh I see. OK. Let's have the word latter in the day.\nD:\nAnd what about lunch. You come here.\nK:\nLunch on the 6th.\nD:\nHave you decided to go to the Middle East Henry.\nK:\nI have not yet. I will know by next week.\nD:\nBy next wek. Then we will be in touch, and the 6th for the luncheon.\nK: Do you want to come to the State Dept.\nD:\nIt's no problem for me. Since you are so busy that is fine.\nK:\nIt's better for my waistline if you come to me.\nD:\nAlright. Bye.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nAmb. Dobrynin 1 Secretary Kissinger\nNovember 30, 1973\n2,55 p.m.\nD: 1 wanted to tell you the reception last night was wonderful.\nK: Aren't you nice.\nDi Reall Henry, this kind of reception is so often nothing, I\ndon't know if you take personal care about these things, but it\nwas really\nwhat the Ambasadors mentioned to me they don't\nusually to tell me about. and 1 think is at good thing.\nKr Thank you.\nD: And the girl from ABC was wonderful.\nK: Meg Osman.\nD: I don't know if you really had dinner, but I thought that she\nis the nicest girl I ever met.\nK: Well, don't get carried away.\nD: No, but you should keep her as a secret weapon. Henry, I\nreceived a telegram from Moscow and asked me to tell you he\nfully agrees and he is In government, it should be Soviet-American\nausplees. The Secretary General of the UN, the UN itself, should\nbe Soviet-American auspices. We do not disclude the possibility for\nthe Secretary General or one of his representatives to preside.\nK: OK. Neither do we.\nD: And three, we are agreed to work with you in full as mentioned so\nwe confirm we sent instructions to our Ambassador in Cairo to talk with\nSadat and to talk with him in the context of the letter we proposed to\nyou. And we would like if you do the same.\nK: Yes, we will. I have one other matter, Anatoly, the Egyptians\nar raising with us about bringing about an Israeli withdrawal before\nthey will come to the conference.\nD: As a dondition?\nX Well, almost.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\n2.\nXi What I want you to know is this, you know what I am doing, I\nam systematically creating at congressional support. If I have got\nto start now to try to get a minor Israell withdrawal It's going to\ncreate an uproar in this country and destroy the stmosphere for\nthe peace conference. For the sake of the Egyptians, we all know\nwhat has to be done, the Isruell withdrawal cannot get it until\nthe peace conference is open and whatever influences you have in\nCairo If they go to the Security Council asking for\n338 we\nprobably will have to oppose it on grounds that it should be discussed\nat the peace conference.\nD: Henry who raised the question with you.\nK: You're old friend Fahmi.\nDi Fat shmi? When? When he turned back. They don't raise It with\nus yet is the reason I ask.\nK: No, I know, I just wanted to alert you.\nDr I promise\nK: Ireally think we are on a good course now.\nDI We may not like the situation, not withdrawing, but realistically\nwe agree with you.\nKr Reality of the situation in the letter to them, you know what's\ngoing on, what's going to happen, but if we took concerted action\nin early January.\nDr You mean action about.\nK: Bring withdrwal into the Sinal.\nD: They have not changed their minds about the elections?\nK: Even If they do we will not change the schedule.\nD: So, I can mention to.\nKi You can mention to Gromyko.\nD: Actual withdrawal.\nKi Well, I can't promise that, but 1 can promise we will work\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\n3.\nactively for It, It will be a matter of weeks after that.\n1 can't give you a date for withdrawal.\nD: I know.\nK: I can give you a date for a major American effort.\nDi Exist will put it this way. You have nd yet settled your trip\nto Cairo?\nK No, I'll inform you.\nD: When it's settled.\nK: I may not do it, if this situation continues I may not go at all.\nDi When do you go?\nX K; Pm suppos ed to go on the 9th. 1 have no fixed decision. We\nhave not yet formally approached anyone.\nDi Well, I will keep in touch about preparations for the conference.\nI will send at telegram, and\nK: Send a a telegram to your Ambassador to see Sadat\nD: Our Ambassador has Instructions to visit him.\nK: Those instructions are that the insist on suspices but not on\nchairman, right/\nD: Right. We do not disclude the possibility of chairman. OK\nThank you.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTelcon\nSecretary Kissinger\nAmbassador Dobrynin\n12/6/73; 11:45 a. m.\n(missed the very first part)\nD: Thank you very much.\nK: And secondly, I forget to mention yesterday on that Syrian problem\nof lists of POW's -- that's really very important.\nD: We already make -- off the record, but don't quote us, we already\nmade a representation to the Syrians.\nK: Okay, good.\nD: This I know because I have a copy.\ntalk\nK: Good. I will take with you later.\nD: Okay. You will be calling me back.\nK: After my press conference. Bye.\nD: Okay. Bye.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nGeneral Scowcroft\nAmbassador Dobrynin\n12/8/73 11:00 a. m.\nS:\nHello, this is General Scowcroft, how are you today ?\nD:\nHow are you, General?\nS:\nI am fine, thank you.\nD:\nNow you are Marshall, not General.\nS:\n(laughs) That's right, for a week or so, I'm the Field Marshall.\nD:\nHenry, left at nine ?\nS:\nA little after, yes, he's on his way anyway.\nD:\nWe discussed with him just two days ago, some points and --some\npoints about the conference.\nS:\nAbout the conference, huh ?\nD:\nYes, there was really no disagreement, and he mantioned he is thinking\nabout the position of American side, and at time I mentioned to him that\nit looks quite all right. Now I received a reply from my Minister, so\nif you would like to make some notes and notify Henry.\nS:\nRight, I will.\nD:\nFirst is about the question of representatives--about their participation\nin preliminary session and in the session of the committee. Our position\nbasically the same as from our joint understanding-- in Soviet/American\n--that both our representatives will take part, of course with the consid-\neration of the leaders of the parties concerned, in the preliminary session\nand in the sessions of the Committee when they will discuss key questions.\n--On all key questions, both of our representatives will take part in the\npreliminary session and session of the committee.\nS:\nRight.\nD:\nSecond, theye is already agreement reached about the question of particia\npants in the conference and the level of their representatives--about the\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nPage 2\nparticipants and the level of their representatives and it is along the\nlines I discussed already with Henry, so there is nothing new here.\nS:\nOkay.\nDL\nAnd yourwill inform you shortly about who will be the Soviet peace\ndelegate--besidesmy Minister\nS:\nRight.\nD:\nBut afterwards, from your side it will be Ambassador Bunker. From\nour side, we will inform you shortly, then you will inform Henry.\nS:\nGreat.\nK:\nHe will have a group of advisers and experts, something along --the--\nHenry mentioned to me--Bunker's staff.\nS:\nHmhuh. Hmhuh.\nD:\nWe agreed that the conference may have to remain tentative --\nEgypt-Israel, Syria-Israel and Jordan-Israel.\nS:\nRight.\nD:\nThree main candidates. This was Henry's thinking. At the same time\nit should not be ruled out completely the possibility of creating some\nadditional temporary committees, to discuss certain issues, for instance,\nthe question on guarantees, they may organize it, really not at the very\nbeginning but once it goes on. They may organize it, if the participants want\nS:\nRight.\nD:\nSo we agreed with his proposal and just thinking that this participant would\nlike to have some additional temporary --we wouldn't object.\nS:\nRight.\nD:\nOur understanding is that now the question of chairmanship has been settled.\nThe chairmanship will be carried on\na Soviet/American basis,\nby the representatives of our and yom.quntry. I think this is what really\nHenry already mentioned. As for the/language, we agreed with Henry,\nW\nwhen he said that it would be English, Russian,\n,\nbut if the\nparticipants --if Israel and the other participants feel that Hebrew should\nbe an official language, we of course don't object to this one.\nS:\nOkay.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nPage 3\nD:\nTwo morepoints. We do not object to the invitation of the press\nfor the opening ceremony, because Henry was asking our position\nand if he has the possibility to invite them--we don't object to the\ninvitation of the press of the opening ceremony; as to the question\nwhether the speeches of the Foreign Minister should be made--this\nquestion of how they are thinking--whether the speeches of the Foreign\nMinister should be made in the presence of the press or in closed\nsessions--Mr. Gromyko's feeling is that it is worthwhile to discuss\nthis question before the opening of the conference and discuss after\nconferring there with the other participants.\nS:\nOkay.\nD:\nFor him it will be quite all right both ways. He says, what about\nopening of conference. Second question he asks Henry, whether\nthe speeches themselves of the Foreign Ministers should be in presence\nor press or in closed session, but later on release of text. Gromyko\nfeels that this second question is better to discuss with Henry and\nGromyko --\nS:\nJust before the opening\nD:\nJust before the opening session, then they will discuss it. I think he\ngoes both ways.\nS:\nRight.\nD:\nLast one is the conference about the financing\nS:\nFinancing?\nD:\nFinancing--in our view it is recommended the confesence should be from\nUN finance--UN budget. But we will not object to having a discussion\nof this question on this point.\nS:\nOkay.\nD:\nThey will have some other questions which they are prepared to discuss\nright there on the spot.\nS:\nAt the conference, hmhuh.\nD:\nSo maybe we can get information about what Henry thinking --\nS:\nOkay.\nD:\n1 hope we will have a quiet day.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nPage 4\nS:\nI hope I don't have to bother you the whole weekend.\nD:\nYou never bother me.\nS:\nYou are very kind.\nD:\nThank you very much.\nS:\nAnd ru pass this to Menry.\nD:\nThank you. Good bye.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\"\nGeneral Scowcroft\nAmbassador Dobrynin\nDecember15, 1973 8:58 a. m.\nS:\nHello, Mr. Ambassador, how are you this morning ?\nD:\nThank you very much.\nS:\nWe are prepared to abstain on the resolution.\nD:\nAbstain?\nS:\nYes.\nD:\nHm huh.\nS:\nAnd our position will be like yours that we don't believe that formal\naction can do anything but complicate the situation that we have made\nit clear that the Secretary General will be included in the opening\nsession so we do not see a need for a formal meeting or resolution\nat this time, and we would prefer the consensus procedure.\nD:\nSo you will\nthe United Nations.\nS:\nThat's right, we passed it up to our representative there\nD:\nSo I could mentionto mine too, yes?\nS:\nThat's right.\nD:\nOkay, thank you very much.\nS:\nHave you heard from Moscow about postponing the conference date yet\nD:\nNot yet. For time being not, but I will call.\nS:\nAll right, thank you very much.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nGeneral Scowcroft\nAmbassador Dobrynin\n11:24 a.m. 12/15/73\nS:\nYou haven't gone.\nD:\nYeh, well I have a additional telegram from Mr. Gromyko about this\nchance of revision of the conference.\nS:\nYes.\nD:\nAnd he said taking into consideration the expressed view of the Sec-\nretary of State, Dr. Kissinger- just reading from telegram--\nthe Soviet Government agrees to postpone the conference from the 18th\nto 21st.\nS:\nOkay\nD:\nIf it is agreed with Egypt and Syria.\nSo we proceed in this particular Henry will himself and do it with\nthe Syrians, too\nS:\nThat's going to be hard- -he should be just taking off now.\nD:\nD -- Well just do try to get in touch with him by the telephone.\nS:\nI did -- I reached them before and they were on their way to the airport.\nAll I can do is try.\nD:\nTry to get him on the plane (laughs) Use all the telephones you have.\nS:\nMaybe he can get back to them from Amman.\nD:\nYeh, by telephone maybe on the airplane. Becaus3e we agree to his\nproposal, but we preferred because he is there- it is difficult for us\nto go thru all this ambassador things - -\nS:\nWhat you are really saying that it is our problem, so it's our job.\nD:\nWell yes (laughs)\nS:\nIn undiplomatic language, that's what your relling me.\nD:\nYeh, but we are not trying to go away , just saying we--you may use it.\nS:\nNo, I understand.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nPage 2\nD:\nIn this case, X this is definitely, we are prepared, but so please make\nthis agreement with X Egyptians and Syrians - we are fed up with them\ntoo.\nS:\n(laughs) I tell you, if we have - ever get this conference started\nwe allneed a vacation.\nD:\nSo please tell Henry Gromyko agrees to postpone it.\nS:\nOkay\nD:\nBut it is better he will iron out when he is there.\nS:\nI;11 tell him right away.\nD:\nThank you very much.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nGeneral Scowcroft\nAmbassador Dobrynin\nDecember 15, 1973 11:28 a. m.\nD:\nI would like to --I have two answers from Moscow I would like to\nnotify you. First, please tell Henry that our permanent represen-\ntative there at the conference, after Mr. Gromyko will leave the\nconference will be our Ambassador Nadagrav. Our Ambassador\nwho is now Ambassador in Cairo.\nS:\nRight.\nD:\nHe has an assignment to stay there in Geneva. As our chief repre-\nsentative. As your Mr. Bunker.\nS:\nRight, I understand.\nD:\nBecause Henry, when he left, he asked me to tell him who it will be\nso I would like him to know.\nS:\nVery good, I'll pass it to him right away.\nD:\nOn the second question about the draft of a new version so to speak,\nhow do you call them\nS:\nContingency-.\nD:\nContingency - on this contingency letter, I checked and received the\nfollowing answer I will just read it. 11 As it is known to American\nside, it was not an ea sy job to reach the written agreement with\nEgyptians and Syrians on the text of a joint letter of the Soviet Union\nUnited States and Secretary General concerning peace conference.\nThe next text or contingency- of two contingency letters proposed\nby Dr. Kissinger -they do differ from the text which was agreed upon\nby us and Arab countries. We have taken note of the communication\nfrom Dr. Kissinger that he cleared the text of this contingency letters\nwith the President Sadat -we perceived from the fact that he will\nclear this text with Syrians as well while he is in Damascus because\nwe don't have any time to go there and explain all the stories because\nhe knows much better and he knows allthe arguments about it.\" He\nis now in Damascus.\nS:\nI think he is about to leave I'll call him on the phone.\nD:\nYeh, butter call him. So we proceed that he will really clear this\nwith Syrians because he spoke with Sadat who agreed with it and\nit is difficult for us to go and explain-\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nPage 2\nS:\nI understand.\nD:\nTo go and explain since we don't know really all the details.\nSo he will clear this question with Damascus.\nSo this is end of the telegram.\nPlease pass to him.\nS:\nI'll pass it to him right away.\nD:\nI will be here until 1:00 and then I will go for the -until tomorrow\nwhen I will be back before lunch to Williamsburg --my wife wants to\nsee.\nS:\nSure.\nD:\nAnd I promised it won't be long. If something will come urgent, you\ncall here - - Vorontsov is back. If something, I will give him telephone\nand I will be in touch\nS:\nThat'l be fine.\nD:\nI'll call you--then.\nS:\nThat's good.\nDid you hear about the postponement date--is that acceptable?\nD:\nNo, I didn't have anything on this particular - we have not had anything\nabout it from other side, so if all others agree we will not object of\ncourse.\nS:\nOkay, if others doxxxx agree, you will not disagree.\nD:\nOf course, why should we--the question is he is there, SO he knows\n--he is talking with Sadat, so please ask him to discuss with Syrians.\nHe has all the answers and information.\nS:\nOkay, I understand.\nD:\nI'll be here until 1:00 -- Hav\nS:\nHave a good trip in Williamsburg- - -it's a good day.\nD:\nThank you--I was hesitating to go, but decided to\nS:\nNo, this is good planning on your part.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nAmb. Dobrynin/Secy Kissinger\n1:14 p. m., December 24, 1973\nK:\nHello, Anatol.\nD:\nOh, hello, Henry, how are you?\nK:\nOkay.\nD:\nHow's about your cold? I was told that you are, I mean, in very\nbad shape. It was very bad cold. Is it so?\nK:\nYeah, I was really in bad shape. I'm getting better though.\nD:\nNow it's better. I really would like just to say ''Merry Christmas\nand a very guzuntite (?) so to speak. The very best, I should say.\nHenry, do you intend to go to the place, you remember\nK:\nAcapulco?\nD:\nYeah.\nK:\nI haven't decided yet.\nD:\nBecause, I speak very privately, on this basis, I received a telegram\nfrom Brezhnev. He asked me or just to notify to come in the first\n[decade] of January. There will be a meeting in Moscow of top\npeople around to look at\nof 1974 so he asked me to be in\nthe first [decade]. I refuse it yesterday. At the same time in this\nconnection, I didn't know whether you will be here. If you will be\nhere, I will definitely stay here and no questions. If you go, then\nmaybe I will drop in for couple of days there if I will have a chance\nto speak with you in a very general, informal way.\nK:\nAbsolutely. Now I'm not sure How long will you be in Acapulco?\nshould\nD:\nIf I should be there for a couple of days,\nI\n/\nbe back on the 2nd.\nK:\nOh, I wouldn't go before the 29th if I went.\nD:\nOh, not before 29th?\nK:\nNo.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nAmb. Dobrynin/Secy Kissinger\n2\nD:\nOh, I see.\nK:\nI will probably be here next week and go a week later.\nD:\nSo you will spend New Year here?\nK:\nProbably.\nD:\nUh-huh. And so you will go there only in the beginning of next year,\nyeah?\nK:\nProbably, yes.\nD:\nBecause if you are not going there, I will not go too. I mean, now.\nSo you decided not to go, I mean, this part of it's clear, yeah?\nK:\nIt's more or less clear, yes.\nD:\nWhen it will be clearer for you, more than less?\nK:\nWell, it's practically clear.\nD:\nIt's practically clear?\nK:\nYes.\nbe here,\nD:\nBecause if you will\nthen I will definitely stay here. If you will\ngo, you will go in the very beginning, yeah?\nK:\nRight.\nD:\nAbout this varies, depends on when you will be, but because after\nthe New Year, I don't know exactly the time, but he said in the first\nten days he will send me telegram precise date about the meeting so\nI will be there. But I think for this timing, 2 or 3 days before New\nYear, I will drop this idea and stay here just to be in touch with\nyou in case, okay?\nK:\nOkay. I've just talked to the President. He can see you Wednesday\nmorning around 10 o'clock.\nD:\nThat's quite all right.\nK:\nIf that's convenient.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nAmb. Dobrynin/Secy Kissinger\n3\nD:\nIf it's convenient to him, it's quite all right.\nK:\nNow if he goes to Key Biscayne, which he may do, in that case, he\nmay want to see you tomorrow.\nD:\nIt's fine with me. Any time he -- because this is just 15 minutes,\nno more really.\nK:\nYeah. And it will be just the three of us, you, he and I.\nD:\nOkay.\nK:\nUnless you have a message that's critical of me.\nD:\nHuh?\nK:\nUnless you have something you want to deliver that's critical of me.\nD:\n(laughter) No, nothing. Only high esteem, Henry.\nK:\nWell, I worked together very happily with Gromyko. It was really\nvery good.\nD:\nYeah. I received from him a message and he was in the same mood.\nI am receive a copy of what he send to Brezhnev.\nK:\nNo, he was really very good. And he tried to be cooperative. You\nknow, it was harder for him, given your relations with Israel, than\nfor me.\nD:\nYes. I haven't received yet a report of how his talks with\nK:\nIt went quite well.\nD:\nQuite well, huh?\nK:\nFrom what I hear from both sides.\nD:\nYeah. So I hope it will be -- it's rather good move, to begin really\ntalking and then a little bit more.\nK:\nExactly.\nD:\nIt will help in many ways.\nK:\nExactly.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nAmb. Dobrynin/Secy Kissinger\n4\nD:\nK:\nNo, I think we've made a good start.\nD:\nYeah, I think it's good. And, of course, you played a major role.\n(laughter)\nK:\nWell, I think the spirit was set on my trip to Moscow and despite\na temporary interruption we are back on course.\nD:\nWell, I think this is true. There was no question, he has not yet\nsend me about date. Was it fixed or not?\nK:\nYes, he mentioned it. We set around February 10th, between the\n5th and 10th.\nD:\nBecause he said somewhere in February but he didn't mention any\ndate.\nK:\nI didn't give the exact date. I said I would let you know but it will\nbe between the 5th and 10th of February.\nD:\nThat's fine. I think this is very convenient date.\nK:\nI had proposed that you and I might have lunch on Wednesday, is that\npossible?\nD:\nOf course.\nI am looking forward, Henry.\nK:\nGood.\nD:\nSo on Wednesday, we will have 1 o'clock in State Department.\nK:\nRight.\nD:\nAs to the President's, either tomorrow or day after tomorrow?\nK:\nThat's right.\nD:\nYo u will let me know when, today or ?\nK:\nWell, if you don't hear from me, it's 10 oclock on Wednesday.\nD:\nSo it will be 10 o'clock - -\nK:\nOr I might call you tomorrow morning or were you going away?\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nAmb. Dobrynin/Secy Kissinger\n5\nD:\nNo, I am staying here. I prefer to have a quiet Christmas at home.\n(laughter)\nK:\nRight.\nD:\nWith Nina (?) and Kritrina (sp?). I have the girls to stay quietly.\nK:\nGood.\nD:\nOkay?\nK:\nBye.\nD:\nThank you very much, Henry. Bye, bye.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELECON\nMr. Colby/Secretary Kissinger\nDecember 27, 1973\n8:34 PM\nK: Bill, on that matter we discussed earlier, my view is\nthat if he can pull them out without triggering an attack,\nthat would be the best way. But he's got to make that\njudgment.\nC: OK. That's basically the point that the boys have made.\nThe decision is fundamentally. his as to what to do about it,\nbut I think he's looking for a little hint and guidance from\nyou as to what would be most helpful.\nK: Yes.\nC: Provided it doesh't trigger anything.\nK: Right. Good.\nC: You've sent the other message through?\nK: Which one?\nC: To the other people - about the Soviets.\nK: Yes.\nC: Because that would be most helpful.\nK: OK. Good.\nC: Thank you. See you tomorrow.\nDECLASSIFIED\nE.O. 13526, Section 3.5\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential\nDRR MH PAC 4/9/09\nDECLASSIFIED\nNARA,\nDate\n4/15/19\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to beldeclassified.\nTELECON\nAmbassador Dobrynin/Secretary Kissinger\nDecember 27, 1973\n8:35 PM\nK: Anatol.\nD: Hello, Henry.\nK: You remember what I told you about your Syrian allies?\nD: You told me many things about them.\nK: That they may be contemplating an attack.\nD: You mentioned that.\nK: We have now some information which makes it look like this\ncould be an accurate report.\nD: Between the 31st and 4th? You have information that makes\nit more reliable? Would you like to tell me what it is or\njust in general terms?\nK: Our information is that they're concentrating tank forces.\nYou know it's up to you whether you want to do something. But\nit's obvious that if there is an attack, it's not going to have\nvery pleasant consequences. I want you to know that we have\ntold the Israelis about it so that they will not be surprised.\nD: They probably know, but I will send it just for information\nfor Moscow, what you just mentioned to me. You're still\nsaying the 31st?\nK: That's our best information - 31st to 1st (sic).\nD: I will check with them.\nK: OK.\nD: Thanks, Henry. You had today a press conference. It was\na good one.\nK: Well, it was very favorable towards you - about your role\nin Geneva.\nD: I read it on the ticker. I have not finished it.\nOK. Henry.\nDECLASSIFIED\nE.O. 13526, Section 3.5\nPeR RAC 8/12/09\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nMH\nNARA, Date 4/15/19\nDECLASSIFIED\n[l Pg]\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified."
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