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K:
Which shouldn't even be a strain.
P:
Yeah. Think it's good news don't you?
K:
Oh, I think it's good news. I think what it means
P:
Even Gomulka.
K:
Even Gomulka
what I think it means at a minimum is that they
are internal that they will be much more cautious now in their policies.
I think it will mean a slowdown of their playing with the Germans but above
all I think
I wouldn't be surprised if it meant that the Soviets decide
that
the
taunt with the Germans is too dangerous and they had better get
a little closer to us. As a tactical maneuver, I don't think it will change
their basic orientation.
P:
You mean it will put the Soviets -- them to have a little pressure
to come closer to us you mean?
K:
I think it puts a little pressure on the Soviets to come -- it will
either mean that they will tighten up all the way across the board and
new
pursue a transition policy towards everybody but I think if they want to
taunt in the West they are more likely to seek it with us now than with the
Germans.
P:
Yeah.
K:
Because we are less of a threat to them in Eastern Europe.
P:
Well, that's good, good, well.
K:
But in any event whatever it does to us, I think
P:
It will give a little break.
K:
They will be more absorbed in their own affairs for a while now.
P:
This will shake the Soviet leaders don't you think?
K:
Oh, yes. It shows them that really they don't have the basis
P:
They just know their system doesn't have any support.
K:
That's right. It will make
P:
Be sure that the State Department doesn't give any condoning of
this damn thing, you know what I mean, I just want to be sure that there
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