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The President/Mr. Kissinger
December 19, 1970 5:30
K:
and it just created but this is just a temporary problem. But
basically he is very optimistic about the situation. He says in South
Vietnam, as somebody who has been there three years ago, we are
within an eyelash of victory.
P:
The thing about Thieu though we have to really shape him up in this
respect. We have to go all the way for much further action
there is no question at this point. He's got to -- he must recognize
our military, Henry, play a double game out there, a lot of them they
want to stay you know
K: Right.
P:
Of course we want them to stay as long as is necessary but some
of them just want to stay period. They encourage him in this and say
well, you can't do it boys, we've got to stay. Well, because you know,
this is their last war and they know it.
K:
Well, his problem is the election in October. That's, I think, what he's
got in his mind and he would like to keep things as settled as he possibly
can but actually Haig had a very, very good conversation with him and
they are planning and it's all set. One thing, Mr. President, Laird
is going out there early January and I think you may have to tell him
before he goes what we are thinking of because otherwise it will surface
out there and he'll try to kill it.
P:
You tell him what we're thinking, you know.
K:
I don't mean in terms of withdrawals, I mean in terms of operations.
P:
Oh, I know. But in terms of the operation -- well, we'll just tell him
about the operation/ tell him to Keep it griet.
K:
He's pretty good once he knows it's irrevocable. That's not the sort
of thing he usually leaks. Well, let me -- I will be the
P:
I agree, I agree. We've got to get everybody
but I'm not
going to surface it with State until
K:
With State, I wouldn't -- you don't need to do it with State until about a
week
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