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R:
Or if we are going to use them, let's use them in a planned
way. Say, look it, here's a good way of talking out of both sides of
our mouths and getting away with it, if that's what he wants to do.
But we
Just because we haven't thought it through, we stumble
into these things. Now you know damn well, if you know McCloy,
what he does. He's got a hell of a big law firm. He's got a hell of
a lot of oil clients. He likes to be in on matters in Europe because
that also helps his law firm. He's getting garrulous as hell and
you know he's going to tell everybody that he sees about it. As far
as the arms control thing, he didn't help himself. In fact, the
President is going to have a greater problem with those people
because they are all sore now. They say, well for Christ's sake,
he sees Dewey, Acheson, McCloy but he won't see his own Committee.
K:
McCloy has been a little tricky about. McCloy, himself, said
that if he saw a small group and he were a part of it, that would take
care of his committee.
R:
Of course, he didn't say that to his committee. Right in front
of his committee is when he came
K:
No, you told me that.
R:
He told me that this had nothing to do with his committee and
it was not a substitute, and that you had urged him to come in to see
the President and this wasn't a substitute at all, and he was sort of
pressed
K:
Hell, I don't like McCloy particularly. I fhink he's one of the
most over-rated men in America.
R:
Well, I think probably in his day he was all right, but.
K:
I mean, he talks a lot. I think he's completely outdated as far
as Europe is concerned. He remembers the Germany and the Europe
of the early '50's. You can't push them around like this anymore.
R:
No, and I mean he was
I mean you've got Clay and McCloy
and Acheson all who feel that they have a sort of a pride of ownership
of Berlin which is all right.
K:
But you know it was the President who thought up this group.
He called them all separately. I only learned about it afterwards.
It grew up after some Gridiron dinner when he was talking to Dewey
and he's seen them twice, I think. You remember when he saw them
once before.
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