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K:
Well, no, they are not saying it as a government. Ehmke said
it when he was over here or so Joe Kraft claimed but Kraft is such a
son-of-a-bitch that you can't tell what
whether he made it up or
whether Ehmke really told him that.
R:
Kraft just says things like that to get us to respond to find out
what our answer would be if they said it.
K:
Yeah, yeah.
R:
That's his technique.
K:
But if he
I think basically on Berlin there is no problem.
There oughtn't to be a problem.
R:
I don't think there is.
K:
On the basic Ostpolitik, I think that's an artificial crisis, they
are not doing anything now.
R:
That's right. It is true that there may be a crisis.
K:
But then I think
I agree with you, we ought to decide it, you
ought to announce it. Certainly you don't want to use Acheson to popping
off all over the place to set our German policy.
R:
Well, Henry, if we decide this -- to have a policy to try to
announce public policy and at the same time we want to express some
reservations privately, let's figure out the best way to express them
privately. Just that simple, how do we want to do it? Sure as hell we
don't want to do it with Acheson, McCloy, Dewey and Clay.
K:
Yeah. No, it turned out unfortunately.
R:
We also have a hell of a problem in Japan.
K:
Well, what do you think we should do, I am so sick of this thing.
Everybody and his grandmother has gotten into that act. I thought last
May we had it nearly solved when Kendall got into it, then it was happily
forgotten. I don't know why Sato started the negotiations again if it is
going to cause so much trouble, we didn't want it.
R:
Yeah, well, I think the thing to do
K:
Excuse me (another phone ringing)
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