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TELCON (Tape)
Mr. Kissinger /Bill Hyland
December 21, 1970 -- Page 1
H:
Really gave him considerable leeway.
K:
But why couldn't you reason that this was just their mistake, that
if they hadn't done that, it would have been a good thing to do.
H:
Oh, I don't think that Gierek for the new regime opposes the treaty
but I think they may oppose the whole spirit behind cooperation
with Bonn and being at odds with the East Germans and others.
I can't say for sure
K:
Okay, now look here's what I want you to do in this memo for the
President. First, explain briefly what it does in internal politics.
Secondly, what it means in bloc politics, you know greater voice
for the East Germans
H:
Right, right.
K:
and thirdly, what it does in East-West politics.
H:
Yeah, okay.
K:
Now, do you agree with my assessment, which incidently I just
was playing the devil's advocate, I agree with you.
H:
Oh, (laughter)
K:
I mean I can't judge the domestic politics but I agree with you on
the other -- on the Ostpolitik.
H:
Well, Ulbricht is going to -- this is a windfall for Ulbricht he
is going to blame a great deal of it on Ostpolitik and
K:
I agree with this. Now, the next thing I wonder is this, I think the
Russians may decide is either to toughen up their line generally
slightly towardsthe whole West or they may decide that they need
some detente in the West and it is safer to do it with us than with
the Germans.
H:
Yeah, I think the latter is more likely.
K:
Do you agree with that?
H:
Yeah, I think they will have to cool it with the Germans and end it
up with us.
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