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Secretary Rogers/Mr. Kissinger - 2 - R: His reputation is as a good administrator, very pragmatic, pretty nationalistic, he spent most of his early life abroad. K: Where? R: In France and Belgium, he didn't come back to Poland until '48. K: Well, what does it mean for the internal structure? R: Internally it should help to keep to bring things even more under control. K: Yeah, but you've got to be concrete, what way? Are they going to cancel the price rises? R: No, Gearick is hinting that there will be a rise in wages and they will re-examine the plan. K: And what will that do to the economy? R: Well, it will just postpone the equal day for another year or two. I mean, the price rises were essential to any realistic reform. K: Why? R: If they ever were going to get away from subsidizing the hell out of agriculture, they had to bring prices in line with costs but now if they raise wages, this will just mean more inflation, no structural changes will probably come about so they it is just a postponement but K: Could Gearick go the way of Dubcek? R: No, no, no, he's politically far more conservative than orthodox than Dubcek. K: Would you have said that about Dubcek the day he came in? R: Well, I think Dubcek would just simply not known at all but Gearick is I mean he's been pretty prominent for the last K: All right, what do you think it means in foreign policy? R: I think they will just have to slowdown considerably on Ostpolitik.

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