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The President/Mr. Kissinger
9:15 p. m., , April 5, 1971
P:
All we need is just get some figure that makes the point. We can
at least try to get that across.
K:
Right. So two sentences is what I would recommend in that place.
P:
And also the South Vietnamese casualties.
K:
The South Vietnamese casualties, I'm getting the exact figure.
P:
Even with Laos?
K:
Even with Laos.
P:
We can say that even with the heavy casualties they took in Laos.
K:
Right.
P:
Oh, of course, these goddamn Doves think just one thing. They eat
you alive, they take one thing and then go after another one and hell,
I've determined to just see it through and the hell with them.
K:
It's the only --
P:
If it fails, it fails.
K:
Well, it's a heroic posture, Mr. President.
P:
Well, hell, believe it or not, there is no other course for the country.
These people -- I mean, that's why our domestic side while I'm
interested in their views, why they're irrelevant, they don't know what
the hell they are talking about.
K:
That's right.
P:
I mean, on the other hand, I must say that they are SO terribly obsessed
with listening to television, reading all of our critics -- the New York
Times, the Washington Post and of course, I must the Alsop piece
probably disturbs them but they read all that and they say, well now
just a minute, is this true; have we overstated anything, haven't we
really kept our promises, you see that's the point.
K:
That's right.
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