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The President/Mr. Kissinger
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ca 12:00 m., July 26, 1971
P:
What about the date of it?
K:
Well, they wanted four weeks which is actually -- in this
sense, it's a good sign because it means they have to go back to Hanoi,
but I gave them only three. The point is they are not stringing us
along because they are not keeping us from doing anything we want
to do.
P:
Uh huh. Well, of course, does it appear that the Chinese
may have talked to them?
K:
There's just no way
They made an elliptical reference
to it saying 'you won't settle it by taking trips; you have to settle it
with us. Don't go on trips; come to us. I Stuff like that. Except on
the political point, they were very forthcoming and on that, they
were more confused than tough.
P:
Of course, the political point is so fundamental, Henry, that
I suppose the other things don't really matter, do they? In a sense,
K:
That's essentially true.
P:
When you really come down to it.
K:
What we have gotten out of it -- we have now -- with these
damn doves, it doesn't help you much, but we have a superb public
record because we've offered everything that could conceivably be
offered except making a coup against Thieu. We've offered neutrality,
we've offered limitations on military aid, we've offered a withdrawal
deadline, we've offered 'hands-off' in the election so there's
really
nothing that even McGovern would ask for that we haven't offered, and
no one can say we ought to make a coup.
P:
No; I don't think so. They might, but
K:
And I don't exclude
I think it's still 50-50. think, frankly,
they just haven't been able to decide this. They have a collective
leadership. They've had a terrible blow with this Peking visit and
Pham Van Dong has been very ill.
P:
And I think it goes without saying, too, that they're not having
too damn much success militarily.
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