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TELCON (San Clemente)
- 3 -
Mr. Kissinger/Secretary Rogers
September 3, 1971 p.m.
R:
Yes or let us put out -- what happens now, the order comes through
signed by you or Al; then people in the building see it.
K:
Yeah.
R:
Then it says the White House is --
K:
I understand and those stories are very unfortunate.
R:
That's right. As a result of my press conference yesterday, it
came out quite well, I am going to continue to have meetings with my
own people and tell them it's their problem, it's not my problem.
Goddammit, if the State Department is to survive as an institution
it has to learn to be quiet. And what I am going to say to them is that
I will give guidance on what's to be said and then I expect everybody
to follow that guidance.
K:
I think -- you know, this has nothing to do now with the President but
I think it's essential for the Department.
Yes,
R:
/
I do too.
K:
Because every President I have known has lost confidence in the
Department no matter who the Secretary was because of this goddamn
leaking.
R:
That's right.
K:
And it's in their own interst. Now, first of all, when such an order
exists, A1 will call Eliot or I will call you.
R:
Good.
K:
Generally, I don't like to bother you with orders like this so that's why
I think it's better if Al calls Eliot unless it's an overwhelmingly important
thing.
R:
That's right.
K:
And we will not put it out as a White House order, we will let you put
it out as a State Department order.
R:
Right.
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