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TELCON (San Clemente)
- 4 -
Mr. Kissinger/Secretary Rogers
September 3, 1971 p.m.
K:
And I think it's essential for the Department.
R:
Well, I do too. As a matter of fact, Henry, we're doing really a lot
better.
K:
You are doing much better and the press screams a little but that's
good.
R:
That's right.
K:
They have been spoiled.
R:
I know it. And I think what's happened has been very good for the
Department and I think that we can now with minor exceptions I think
you will find that we will conduct ourselves damn well. The Foreign
Service is very upset about it because they realize it's their problem.
K:
Yeah.
R:
In fact there's an article which I stimulated in the Foreign Service
Journal right on that point this month saying that this is our problem;
this isn't the President's problem, and the Secretary of State's problem.
K:
It isn't exactly right that the President -- I mean I say this as a
compliment to you, you yourself put some of the more recent
stringent orders.
R:
Oh, sure I have but I want to take the responsibility.
K:
Yeah.
R:
I don't want people in the Department to say well, the President is
doing what Johnson did and you know this is a reign of terror and all
that kind of stuff. Now, if I do it, they won't say that about me because
as long as
K:
It's a funny group because in a way they have more institutional loyalty
to the Secretary than to the President.
R:
That's right.
K:
(laughter) You know.
R:
That's a fact.
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