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is SANITIZED COPY TELCON (Home) Secretary Rogers/Mr. Kissinger R: (cont'd) think it is roughly 15 on either side in that area. The Indians have admitted 11 K: Yeah. SANITIZED pusee 1.4(c) R: Well, I'll be in touch with you in a little while. We're going over the fix now as we see it and then we will want to talk a little later about the Security Council. I thought it went very well yesterday. K: I think actually it's come out well, I think the backgrounder played very well. R: Yeah, it did. You know, it's just really a question in the long run. We didn't accomplish really what we wanted to do and that is to convince everybody that we have taken all the right moves. But we performed the other task the President wanted performed, that is to condemn India. K: No, and I think it lays the basis for establishing the fact that we have taken the right moves. You know, you don't expect the New York Times ever to like anything we did. R: Yeah. Well, I think we have got a major decision if this thing continues to grow and that is whether we want to burn our bridges behind us or not with India. K: Well, the other question is what do we gain by tacking towards them now? R: Well, it isn't really tacking towards them now. It's just a question of how much do we want to get involved in the public mind with the war itself and it's something we want to ask ourselves thoughtfully it seems to me now. K: Well, no one is against discussing anything thoughtful. R: That's all I am saying. In the long run do we want to go all out and take the exact Chinese position or do we want to be somewhere in between At the moment we are somewhere in between between the Soviet Union and China. K: Well, our present position is to try to be say two-thirds of the way towards China but notall the way but above all what we have here is a Soviet-Indian naked power play to dismember a country. SANITIZED COPY CNLN 05-33/14: 2g4]

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