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Secretary Rogers/Mr. Kissinger
R:
(cont'd) think it is roughly 15 on either side in that area. The
Indians have admitted 11
K:
Yeah.
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R:
Well, I'll be in touch with you in a little while. We're going over the
fix now as we see it and then we will want to talk a little later about
the Security Council. I thought it went very well yesterday.
K:
I think actually it's come out well, I think the backgrounder played
very well.
R:
Yeah, it did. You know, it's just really a question in the long run.
We didn't accomplish really what we wanted to do and that is to
convince everybody that we have taken all the right moves. But we
performed the other task the President wanted performed, that is
to condemn India.
K:
No, and I think it lays the basis for establishing the fact that we have
taken the right moves. You know, you don't expect the New York Times
ever to like anything we did.
R:
Yeah. Well, I think we have got a major decision if this thing continues
to grow and that is whether we want to burn our bridges behind us or
not with India.
K:
Well, the other question is what do we gain by tacking towards them
now?
R:
Well, it isn't really tacking towards them now. It's just a question
of how much do we want to get involved in the public mind with the
war itself and it's something we want to ask ourselves thoughtfully
it seems to me now.
K:
Well, no one is against discussing anything thoughtful.
R:
That's all I am saying. In the long run do we want to go all out and
take the exact Chinese position or do we want to be somewhere in between
At the moment we are somewhere in between between the
Soviet
Union and China.
K:
Well, our present position is to try to be say two-thirds of the way
towards China but notall the way but above all what we have here is
a Soviet-Indian naked power play to dismember a country.
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