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SECRET - 7 - was to deal with day-to-day operations and jurisdictional matters. There was already a clearly specified composition of members, which in the case of the U.S. was headed by the Chief of JUSMG. This Committee was not geared to high level strategic talks and therefore, he said, it was not as useful as Spain would like it to be. The Under Secretary stated that he wanted to be very clear about one point and that was that during the course of the present talks the U.S. Government could not agree to anything that could be interpreted by the Congress as an additional commitment to Spain beyond those already contained in the 1963 Joint Declaration. He said that in recent conversations between the U.S. and its NATO allies there had been nothing but flat rejections with regard to any type of association between Spain and NATO even at the lowest level. He stated that the existing Joint Committee need not confine itself to its present membership and that high level officials of both governments could take part in its deliberations. Article V of the terms of reference of the present Joint Defense Committee provides for meetings of high level officials, although at the time when it was signed, it was contemplated that these would be non-military personnel. He said he felt that amending the terms of reference of the existing Committee could accomplish what the Spanish delegation had in mind and would cause fewer problems with the Congress than an entirely new committee were set up. The U.S. side of that committee need not be headed by the Chief of JUSMG and its membership could be made as vague as possible which would then permit the inclusion of officers at the CINCEUR or Chiefs of Staff level. Mr. Aguirre de Carcer replied that he believed this could be accomplished by an exchange of notes and that it might be possible to have different levels within the committee, or a committee and a sub-committee. The Under Secretary agreed and suggested that membership on the committee be left open. He repeated that he would face strong Congressional pressure and have difficulty in answering their questions as to why another committee was needed. Therefore, he said, we could amend the existing terms of reference to read, for example, "the designee of the U.S. Government.' Mr. Aguirre SECRET of NLN 04-69/8

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