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    "ocrText": "TG: Peter Michel.\nGS:\nMichel. Pete's over at HUD, [Department of Housing and Urban\nDevelopment] now, but all that work, and that won't be in my file,\nbecause that would be just handwritten on there, you know,\ncorrecting words and then sent back. Maybe it was xeroxed, maybe\nnot, depending on how fast we did it, but it should be in the\nshelves.\nTG: Any substantive contact with any members of the White House staff\noutside of the Domestic Council?\nGS: No. Pretty much the Domestic Council did substance; everybody\nelso did forms, SO there was form contact with speech writers,\nform contact with Rhatican, form contact with Neal Ball, but no\nsubstance.\nTG: HOW about [the] National Security Council [NSC] in these\ninternational areas?\nGS: No. Henry Kissinger had no interest whatsoever in narcotics and\ndeeded it all to the Domestic Council. All initiatives were done\nfrom here. We dragged the Department of State kicking and\nscreaming, same thing with Defense. Only after the President had\nbreakfast with the Joint Chiefs did they decide they may have a\ndrug problem. One of the appalling things now is that, without\nthe President pushing on international narcotics, it's not being\ndone. Now since, ever since Kissinger became Secretary of State,\nthey've gotten an interest, because the NSC hadn't had a whole lot\nto do. They do have a narcotics guy now, but he wasn't around,\nand nobody was there to help in the very beginning, although there\nwas a guy named Art [Arthur T.] Downey, who left very early on\n19"
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