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which took the difficult ones. Kolberg, Bill [William H.] Kolberg had it first, and then Bill Boleyn took it over. We put together the hijacking program. And it was done in a very good way, we asked DOT for their best thoughts, what would they do if they had all the authority and then we gave them as much of that as we could to solve the problem? It's, that particular one has stayed solved. The other stuff, we've passed laws, we've done events and we have held our own or gained a little bit, but they are continuing issues. TG: That covers those questions that I wanted to ask, Geoff. Now, if it seems to you, based on what I've asked and what you've answered, that that covers the field fairly well, we can call it quits. GS: That's fine. TG: At least it's a good start. GS: You can look through the files, you'll see some other extraneous things, but pretty much that covers it. TG: Well, that gives me an opportunity to come back and see you in a couple years from now. GS: O.K. [End of interview] 26

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