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WITHDRAWAL SHEET
Ronald Reagan Library
Collection Name MATLOCK, JACK: FILES
Withdrawer
JET
6/5/1985
File Folder
MATLOCK CHRON JUNE 1985 (2/4)
FOIA
F06-114/2
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7438 MEMO
MATLOCK TO MCFARLANE RE MEETING
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MATLOCK TO MCFARLANE RE
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MATLOCK TO MCFARLANE RE
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GORBACHEV'S REFERENCE TO REMARKS
ATTRIBUTED TO YOU
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MATLOCK TO MCFARLANE RE APPROACH
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TO U.S.-USSR TALKS ON AFGHANISTAN
JUNE 18-19
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US-USSR TALKS ON AFGHANISTAN SCOPE
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WITHDRAWAL SHEET
Ronald Reagan Library
Collection Name MATLOCK, JACK: FILES
Withdrawer
JET
6/5/1985
File Folder
MATLOCK CHRON JUNE 1985 (2/4)
FOIA
F06-114/2
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SAME TEXT AS DOC #7442
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F06-114/2
Freedom of Information Act [5 U.S.C. 552(b)]
B-1 National security classified information [(b)(1) of the FOIA]
B-2 Release would disclose internal personnel rules and practices of an agency [(b)(2) of the FOIA]
B-3 Release would violate a Federal statute [(b)(3) of the FOIA]
B-4 Release would disclose trade secrets or confidential or financial information [(b)(4) of the FOIA]
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C. Closed in accordance with restrictions contained in donor's deed of gift.
JM-C
4481
MEMORANDUM
NATIONAL SECURITY COUNCIL
June 4, 1985
ACTION
MEMORANDUM FOR ROBERT C. MCFARLANE
FROM:
JACK F. MATLOCK As
SUBJECT:
Letter to Mr. Mcfarlane from VISA re Chautauqua
Conference June 24-28
Daniel Horodysky, Chairman of VISA has written you suggesting
that you stress the importance of family visits in your speech at
Chautauqua.
A courtesy reply is attached for your signature at Tab I.
RECOMMENDATION
That you sign the letter at Tab I.
Approve
Disapprove
Attachment:
Tab I
Letter to Mr. Horodysky
Tab A
Incoming Correspondence
2
THE WHITE HOUSE
WASHINGTON
June 4, 1985
Dear Mr. Horodysky:
Thank you for your letter of May 27,
1985 with suggestions for my speech at
the Chautauqua Conference.
I will certainly keep your suggestions
in mind as I prepare my remarks.
Sincerely yours,
Mr. Daniel Horodysky
Chairman
Visits International for
Soviets and Americans
P.O. Box 2361
Berkeley, California 94702
VISA
Visits International for Soviets and Americans
ВИЗА
visa
po box 2361
berkeley, california 94702
usa
May 27, 1985
Robert C. Mc Farlane
Assistant to the President
for National Security Affairs
The White House
Washington, DC 20500
Dear Mr. Mc Farlane:
According to press reports you are to be a participant
at the June 24-28 Chautauqua conference on US-Soviet relations.
There is one aspect of US-Soviet relations that needs
to be separated from all others and focused upon. That is
the inability of American and Soviet relatives to visit
one another. The enclosed statistics and actual cases tell
part of the story.
There is a long-standing human tragedy occurring and
millions of people have become pawns of politics. For what-
ever reasons the US Government continually emphasizes
emigration and dissidence. From time to time --- the Madrid
talks, for example, --- family visits are mentioned but
that is all --- just mentioned.
If washington --- and Moscow and the UN are sincere
in waging peace there must be a foundation. That foundation
exists in family visits and it is being ignored.
US and Soviet related persons have missed out on
peaceful coexistence, detente, and now the era of dialogue.
Please bring this story out during the conference, and
beyond, as a representative of millions of unrepresented
people. Let the age of family diplomacy start.
We beseech you to bring out the facts and speak out.
Respectfully,
Daniel Horodysky
Chairman
(415)549-1791
VISA
Visits International for Soviets and Americans
ВИЗА
visa
box 2361
berkeley, california 94702
usa
Visits Between USA and USSR
USA to USSR
USSR to USA
USSR to USA
total visits(1)
total visits( (1)
private visits-
includes family visits(2)
1976
65,864
11,960
1,654
1977
57,798
8,347
1,632
1978
53,191
12,124
1,977
1979
44,166
13,838
2,283
1980
12,922
9,734
1,320
1981
22,342
8,323
1,650
1982
28,232
8,027
1,750
1983
38,256
8,018
1,423
1984
35,058
6,035
1,325
(1) World Without War Council, Seattle Office - compiled from
US and Soviet sources
(2) Commission on Security and Cooperation in Europe, US Congressional
Staff report
Following are some actual cases:
- One man was prevented from visiting his dying mother.
Official permission came about an hour before tour
departure thereby making the trip impossible.
- A woman was prevented by the Soviet militia from
visiting her 93 yr. old grandfather.
- An hourly bus was rerouted around an American couple
and Soviet relatives trying to visit elderly relatives
at a nearby village. Taxi drivers turned down the
couple out of fear of losing their job if caught
carrying Americans.
- Soviet relatives were chased out of Intourist hotels
when trying to inquire about relatives on a tour.
- A young Soviet girl who applied for a visitor's visa
was told to cease her efforts or be in big trouble.
- An elderly American was given an unusual 2 month's
visa. It was received after it became known that he
intended to leave a sizeable sum of money to a Soviet
relative.
- Soviet authorities refused to send a telegram from an
American tourist to Soviet relatives.
VISA
Visits International for Soviets and Americans
ВИЗА
visa
pobox 2361
berkeley, california 94702
usa
PURPOSE and GOALS
World peace to a great extent depends on good US-USSR
relations. Improvement in those relations can result in
greater understanding, and eventual relaxation of tension.
The Governments of the two States must continually
reaffirm their commitment to the development of friendly relations
and cooperation, thereby resulting in peace.
Fundamental to this commitment is the right and freedom of the
many thousands of related persons in the United States of America
and the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics to establish and
maintain personal contact and communication with each other.
VISA
--- Visits International for Soviets and Americans ---
is an organization based on Article 13(2) of the United Nations
Universal Declaration of Human Rights, which states "Everyone has
the right to leave any country, including his [her] own, and to
return to his [her] own country."
The purpose of VISA is to promote the development of contacts
between related persons in the two Countries and to facilitate
freer movement of related individuals with the minimum and/or
absence of official involvement, determent, and harassment. These
contacts will serve as the foundation in the strengthening of
friendly relations and trust.
The immediate goal is to create a climate conducive to mutual
understanding and respect of people at the most common level,
which can only have an eventual positive effect on official
attitudes.
The long range goal is genuine long term meaningful World
Peace and cooperation among all peoples. The future of the United
Nations and Mankind depend on the concept of free contact among
peoples.
In the final analysis governments can make treaties but only
people can make peace.
ВСЕОБЩАЯ ДЕКЛАРАЦИЯ
UNIVERSAL DECLARATION
ПРАВ ЧЕЛОВЕКА
Статья 13
OF HUMAN RIGHTS
2. Каждый человек имеет право no-
кидать любую cTpaHy, включая свою
Article 13.
собственную, и возвращаться B свою
cTpaMy.
(2) Everyone has the right to leave any country,
10 ДЕКАВРЯ 1948 ГОДА Генеральная Ac-
including his own, and to return to his country.
самблев Организация Объединенных Ma-
and утвердная . провозгавсила Всеоб.
mym декларацию apas человека,
On DOCAMBER 10. 1945 the General Assembly of the
Пранив это решение исторического
Liented Name adopsed and precissmed the Lierveras/
- Ассанблев обратилась € призы-
Declaration of Human Rights,
BOX NO DCBM госулврстван-чаенам OpΓa-
Following this bioteric
индации обнародовать TEXCT Декларамии
act the Assembly called - all Alember CONDITIONS se
сделеть ace везможное 120 ... pacnpo-
publicize the next of the Declaration and "so - # to
страневия, оглашения . разъвснения,
be displayed. read and expounded prieci-
главным образом . шислах . других
pally in schools and other educacional with-
учебных заведениях, 683 разанчия, OCNO-
- distraction based - the political - of commines
Banmers ma волитическом cTaTyce cTpaH
or
- территорий».
VISA
Visits International for Soviets and Americans ВИЗА
visa
pobox 2361
berkeley, california 94702
usa
Family Diplomacy: Peace starts with relatives getting together.
The 10th anniversary of the Helsinki Accords will soon
pass. The Accords were signed by the U.S. ,U.S.S.R., and 33
other countries. They were quite specific as to the question
of human contacts--- family visits.
It has been 36 years since the United Nations adopted and
proclaimed the Universal Declaration of Human Rights. Article
13(2) states, "Everyone has the right to leave any country,
including his own, and to return to his country." The
Declaration was followed by the Covenant on Civil and Poli-
tical Rights.
It has been over 50 years since Moscow and Washington
established diplomatic relations.
A series of Soviet leaders and officials have stated that
the Soviet Union wants "normal" relations with the United
States. What is more normal than American relatives visiting
Soviet relatives, and visa versa?
The fact is that there are millions of related persons in
the two countries and it is virtually impossible for them to
visit one another. They represent many ethnic groups.
While Moscow may argue that emigration and dissidence are
internal matters, the question of family contacts is an
international matter. The Helsinki Accords, the Universal
Declaration of Human Rights and subsequent covenants,
diplomatic relations, world peace, and common human decency
demand this.
Détente overlooked and ignored this basic right.
We are now in the period of "dialogue." Everyone wants to
meet their counterpart. Shultz and Gromyko, Karpov and Kampel-
man, scientist with scientist, physician with physician, peace
group with peace group, trade delegation with trade delegation,
and BO on.
Hopefully soon Reagan will meet Gorbachev. And the problem
of family visits will be once again ignored, or perhaps just
mentioned.
What kind of peace is Moscow, and Washington, and the UN
talking about if related individuals cannot maintain normal
human contacts? How long does quiet diplomacy take?
We are asking for nothing more or less than the right en-
Joyed by Messrs. Reagan and Gorbachev, Gromyko and Shults,
O'Neill and Shcherbitaky, their predecessors, their success-
ors.
What better foundation for peace is there?
We want the problem of family contacts to be given
priority consideration on a continuous basis in Washington,
at summit meetings, the forthcoming Ottowa talks, and all
appropriate US-Soviet meetings. It should not be a bargain-
ing chip or tradeoff!
History shows that governments have been dismal failures
at waging peace --- let family diplomacy be the foundation
for better US-Soviet relations and world peace!
1
Challenge to the Peace Movement
Disarmament does not mean peace. Diasarmament is a treaty between
governments and is merely a piece of paper. Peace means nations resolving
conflicts without war. Peace means people meeting and knowing one another.
Peace
The key to World Peace rests with US-Soviet relations. There has never
&
been a good foundation in that relationship. The means to achieve that
Disarmament
foundation exist There are millions of related persons in the two countries,
and they should be allowed to visit one another.
The challenge to the peace movement is to make this a reality.
***
JUST AS U.S. and SOVIET SOLDIERS EMBRACED IN TRIUMPH AT THE ELBE RIVER,
Getting
LET U.S. and SOVIET RELATIVES EMBRACE TO WORK FOR WORLD PEACE !
Together
Hanna Vasylivna Malitska's father is a Soviet Army veteran.
Vasyl Andreivich Malitsky met the U.S. forces on the Elbe in April 1945.
Hanna, of the Ternopil Oblast, Ukrainian SSR, has applied to visit
relatives in the U.S. She was told by the authorities to stop her efforts
or be in big trouble.
***
FAMILY DIPLOMACY: PEACE STARTS WITH RELATIVES GETTING TOGETHER
Family
Diplomacy
The number of visas for family visits for Soviet citizens to the
United States, even during detente, has averaged about 1000 per year.
Because of Soviet policy, most Americans who wish to see relatives
are forced to take a tour. Relatives are fortunate to spend precious
few hours with one another --- if that I
Soviet officials have stated that their citizens cannot afford to
visit the U.S. The Soviet government should eliminate one missile and
use that money to create a fund for family visits. Such a move will
bring us two steps closer towards World Peace!
***
HERE'S WHAT YOU CAN DO 1
Write
to
- Send letters to Secretary General M. Gorbachev, The Kremlin,
Moscow, USSR, and to President R. Reagan, The White House,
Reagan
Washington, DC 20500, requesting that family visits be made
and
a priority in US-Soviet meetings as the first step towards
Gorbachev
normalizing relations.
-ask why Hanna V. Malitska cannot visit the U.S.
***
JOIN VISA
Join
--- Send in your contributions for real peace!
(for further information send a large self-addressed
VISA
stamped envelope -SASE)
Vehics International for Severes and Amer -
ВИЗА
visa
pobox 2361
VISA
borkeley, elifernic 94702
P.O. BOX 2361
use
BERKELEY, CALIFORNIA 94702
THE WHITE HOUSE
washington
May 31, 1985
Loretta,
Pls send attached for staffing.
Karna Small is handling details
for RCM address but this is
something that needs to be
addressed in substance (Matlock/
Raymond etc).
Pls send me a copy for
RCM's folder. Thanks.
Rcm scheduled to speak at
10:30 Am, fai, San 28.
We
9
4486
MEMORANDUM
NATIONAL SECURITY COUNCIL
Matton
June 4, 1985
ACTION
MEMORANDUM FOR ROBERT M. KIMMITT
FROM:
JACK F. MATLOCK
As
SUBJECT:
REQUEST FOR LEAVE
After attending the Chiefs of Mission Conference in London (June
6-8) I plan to take three days of leave. Attached at TAB 1 is
form SF-71 Application for Leave for the period June 10 - 12,
1985. I will be returning from London on June 13 and will be in
the office on June 14.
RECOMMENDATION
That you approve my leave.
Approve Walfr
Disapprove
Attachment:
Tab I
SF-71 - Application for Leave
Mattock
4481 10
CHRO
JM-C
THE WHITE HOUSE
WASHINGTON
June 4, 1985
Dear Mr. Horodysky:
Thank you for your letter of May 27,
1985 with suggestions for my speech at
the Chautauqua Conference.
I will certainly keep your suggestions
in mind as I prepare my remarks.
Sincerely yours,
Robert C. McFarlane
Mr. Daniel Horodysky
Chairman
Visits International for
Soviets and Americans
P.O. Box 2361
Berkeley, California 94702
4481
MEMORANDUM
NATIONAL SECURITY COUNCIL
June 4, 1985
ACTION
MEMORANDUM FOR ROBERT C. MCFARLANE
FROM:
JACK F. MATLOCK
As
SUBJECT:
Letter to Mr. Mcfarlane from VISA re Chautauqua
Conference - June 24-28
Daniel Horodysky, Chairman of VISA has written you suggesting
that you stress the importance of family visits in your speech at
Chautauqua.
A courtesy reply is attached for your signature at Tab I.
RECOMMENDATION
That you sign the letter at Tab I.
Approve
Disapprove
Attachment:
Tab I
Letter to Mr. Horodysky
Tab A
Incoming Correspondence
VISA
Visits International for Soviets and Americans
ВИЗА
visa
box 2361
berkeley, california 94702
usa
May 27, 1985
Robert C. Mc Farlane
Assistant to the President
for National Security Affairs
The White House
Washington, DC 20500
Dear Mr. Mc Farlane:
According to press reports you are to be a participant
at the June 24-28 Chautauqua conference on US-Soviet relations.
There is one aspect of US-Soviet relations that needs
to be separated from all others and focused upon. That is
the inability of American and Soviet relatives to visit
one another. The enclosed statistics and actual cases tell
part of the story.
There is a long-standing human tragedy occurring and
millions of people have become pawns of politics. For what-
ever reasons the US Government continually emphasizes
emigration and dissidence. From time to time --- the Madrid
talks, for example, --- family visits are mentioned but
that is all --- just mentioned.
If washington --- and Moscow and the UN are sincere
in waging peace there must be a foundation. That foundation
exists in family visits and it is being ignored.
US and Soviet related persons have missed out on
peaceful coexistence, detente, and now the era of dialogue.
Please bring this story out during the conference, and
beyond, as a representative of millions of unrepresented
people. Let the age of family diplomacy start.
We beseech you to bring out the facts and speak out.
Respectfully,
Daniel Horodysky
Chairman
(415)549-1791
VISA
Visits International for Soviets and Americans
ВИЗА
visa
box 2361
berkeley, california 94702
usa
Visits Between USA and USSR
USA to USSR
USSR to USA
USSR to USA
total visits(1)
total visits(1)
private visits-
includes family visits(2)
1976
65,864
11,960
1,654
1977
57,798
8,347
1,632
1978
53,191
12,124
1,977
1979
44,166
13,838
2,283
1980
12,922
9,734
1,320
1981
22,342
8,323
1,650
1982
28,232
8,027
1,750
1983
38,256
8,018
1,423
1984
35,058
6,035
1,325
(1) World Without War Council, Seattle Office - compiled from
US and Soviet sources
(2) Commission on Security and Cooperation in Europe, US Congressional
Staff report
Following are some actual cases:
- One man was prevented from visiting his dying mother.
Official permission came about an hour before tour
departure thereby making the trip impossible.
- A woman was prevented by the Soviet militia from
visiting her 93 yr. old grandfather.
- An hourly bus was rerouted around an American couple
and Soviet relatives trying to visit elderly relatives
at a nearby village. Taxi drivers turned down the
couple out of fear of losing their job if caught
carrying Americans.
- Soviet relatives were chased out of Intourist hotels
when trying to inquire about relatives on a tour.
- A young Soviet girl who applied for a visitor's visa
was told to cease her efforts or be in big trouble.
- An elderly American was given an unusual 2 month's
visa. It was received after it became known that he
intended to leave a sizeable sum of money to a Soviet
relative.
- Soviet authorities refused to send a telegram from an
American tourist to Soviet relatives.
VISA
Visits International for Soviets and Americans
ВИЗА
visa
pobox 2361
berkeley, california 94702
usa
PURPOSE and GOALS
World peace to a great extent depends on good US-USSR
relations. Improvement in those relations can result in
greater understanding, and eventual relaxation of tension.
The Governments of the two States must continually
reaffirm their commitment to the development of friendly relations
and cooperation, thereby resulting in peace.
Fundamental to this commitment is the right and freedom of the
many thousands of related persons in the United States of America
and the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics to establish and
maintain personal contact and communication with each other.
VISA --- Visits International for Soviets and Americans ---
is an organization based on Article 13(2) of the United Nations
Universal Declaration of Human Rights, which states "Everyone has
the right to leave any country, including his [her] own, and to
return to his [her] own country.'
The purpose of VISA is to promote the development of contacts
between related persons in the two Countries and to facilitate
freer movement of related individuals with the minimum and/or
absence of official involvement, determent, and harassment. These
contacts will serve as the foundation in the strengthening of
friendly relations and trust.
The immediate goal is to create a climate conducive to mutual
understanding and respect of people at the most common level,
which can only have an eventual positive effect on official
attitudes.
The long range goal is genuine long term meaningful World
Peace and cooperation among all peoples. The future of the United
Nations and Mankind depend on the concept of free contact among
peoples.
In the final analysis governments can make treaties but only
people can make peace.
ВСЕОБЩАЯ ДЕКЛАРАЦИЯ
UNIVERSAL DECLARATION
ПРАВ ЧЕЛОВЕКА
Статья 13
OF HUMAN RIGHTS
2. Каждый человек имеет право no-
кидать дюбую cTpaHy, включая свою
Article 13.
собственную, и возвращаться B свою
cTpaMy.
(2) Everyone has the right to leave any country,
10 декавря 1948 ГОДА Генеральная Ac-
including his own, and to return to his country.
candace Организация Объединеними Ma-
and утвердила . провозглесная Всеоб-
mym apas человека,
On 10 1988 the General Assembly of -
Пранев STO решение исторического
United Name adopsed and precissmed the Lierversal
значения, Ассанблев обратилась c призы-
Declaration of Human Rights,
sex so BceM Opra-
Following the
инзации обтародовать TRUCT Декларамин
act the Assembly called - all Member -
. сделеть BCE возмажное 1.00 ... pacape-
publicize the ISSUE of the Declarament and "n - . -
странения, огзашения - разъвснения,
be
desplayed
read
and
espounded
главным образом . школах . другия
pally
se
schools
and
other
educaused
учебных баз ocHo-
distraction
hased
-
political
of
Banmere sa cTaTyce cTpaH
ase территорий».
VISA
Visits International for Soviets and Americans
ВИЗА
visa
pobox 2361
berkeley, california 94702
usa
Family Diplomacy: Peace starts with relatives getting together.
The 10th anniversary of the Helsinki Accords will soon
pass. The Accords were signed by the U.S. ,U.S.S.R., and 33
other countries. They were quite specific as to the question
of human contacts-- family visits.
It has been 36 years since the United Nations adopted and
proclaimed the Universal Declaration of Human Rights. Article
13(2) states, "Everyone has the right to leave any country,
including his own, and to return to his country." The
Declaration was followed by the Covenant on Civil and Poli-
tical Rights.
It has been over 50 years since Moscow and Washington
established diplomatic relations.
A series of Soviet leaders and officials have stated that
the Soviet Union wants "normal" relations with the United
States. What is more normal than American relatives visiting
Soviet relatives, and visa versa?
The fact is that there are millions of related persons in
the two countries and it is virtually impossible for them to
visit one another. They represent many ethnic groups.
While Moscow may argue that emigration and dissidence are
internal matters, the question of family contacts is an
international matter. The Helsinki Accords, the Universal
Declaration of Human Rights and subsequent covenants,
diplomatic relations, world peace, and common human decency
demand this.
Détente overlooked and ignored this basic right.
We are now in the period of "dialogue." Everyone wants to
meet their counterpart. Shultz and Gromyko, Karpov and Kampel-
man, scientist with scientist, physician with physician, peace
group with peace group, trade delegation with trade delegation,
and so on.
Hopefully soon Reagan will meet Gorbachev. And the problem
of family visits will be once again ignored, or perhaps just
mentioned.
What kind of peace is Moscow, and Washington, and the UN
talking about if related individuals cannot maintain normal
human contacts? How long does quiet diplomacy take?
We are asking for nothing more or less than the right en-
joyed by Messrs. Reagan and Gorbachev, Gromyko and Shultz,
O'Neill and Shcherbitsky, their predecessors, their success-
ors.
What better foundation for peace is there?
We want the problem of family contacts to be given
priority consideration on a continuous basis in Washington,
at summit meetings, the forthcoming Ottowa talks, and all
appropriate US-Soviet meetings. It should not be a bargain-
ing chip or tradeoff!
History shows that governments have been dismal failures
at waging peace --- let family diplomacy be the foundation
for better US-Soviet relations and world peace!
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Challenge to the Peace Movement
Disarmament does not mean peace. Diasarmament is a treaty between
governments and is merely a piece of paper. Peace means nations resolving
conflicts without war. Peace means people meeting and knowing one another,
Peace
The key to World Peace rests with US-Soviet relations. There has never
&
been a good foundation in that relationship. The means to achieve that
Disarmament
foundation exist : There are millions of related persons in the two countries,
and they should be allowed to visit one another.
The challenge to the peace movement is to make this a reality.
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JUST AS U.S. and SOVIET SOLDIERS EMBRACED IN TRIUMPH AT THE ELBE RIVER,
Getting
LET U.S. and SOVIET RELATIVES EMBRACE TO WORK FOR WORLD PEACE !
Together
Hanna Vasylivna Malitska's father is a Soviet Army veteran.
Vasyl Andreivich Malitsky met the U.S. forces on the Elbe in April 1945.
Hanna, of the Ternopil Oblast, Ukrainian SSR, has applied to visit
relatives in the U.S. She was told by the authorities to stop her efforts
or be in big trouble.
***
FAMILY DIPLOMACY: PEACE STARTS WITH RELATIVES GETTING TOGETHER
Family
Diplomacy
The number of visas for family visits for Soviet citizens to the
United States, even during detente, has averaged about 1000 per year.
Because of Soviet policy, most Americans who wish to see relatives
are forced to take a tour. Relatives are fortunate to spend precious
few hours with one another --- if that I
Soviet officials have stated that their citizens cannot afford to
visit the U.S. The Soviet government should eliminate one missile and
use that money to create a fund for family visits. Such a move will
bring us two steps closer towards World Peace!
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HERE'S WHAT YOU CAN DO !
Write
to
- Send letters to Secretary General M. Gorbachev, The Kremlin,
Moscow, USSR, and to President R. Reagan, The White House,
Reagan
Washington, DC 20500, requesting that family visits be made
and
a priority in US-Soviet meetings as the first step towards
Gorbachev
normalizing relations.
-ask why Hanna V. Malitska cannot visit the U.S.
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MEMORANDUM FOR KATHY OSBORNE
FROM:
ROBERT C. McFARLANE John for
SUBJECT:
Soviet Emigre Alexander Kaletski's Book Metro
We have reviewed Alexander Kaletski's book Metro, and we see no
reason why it should not be shown to the President and First
Lady.
Attachment:
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ALEXANDER KALETSKI
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FROM:
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SUBJECT:
Book to the President Titled Metro
Kathy Osborne forwarded us a book by Soviet emigre and artist
Alexander Kaletski titled Metro. I have reviewed the book and
see no reason why it should not be shown to the President and the
First Lady. I believe that they will find it most interesting.
RECOMMENDATION
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JACK MATLOCK
SUBJECT:
Your Meeting with Andrei Voznesensky
Friday, June 7 at 3:00PM
Voznesensky may have some particular topics on his mind to take
up with you, but if so, he did not indicate them to me.
Some questions you may wish to raise would be:
-- Is the situation of artists and writers getting better or
worse? How does he see the prospects under Gorbachev?
-- Does he have any thoughts on U.S. policy toward cultural
exchanges and information? Are we getting through to the
intellectuals? Should we do some things differently?
-- Can the President do more to make sure the Russian people
understand his policy of peace and arms reduction? How can he do
this most effectively?
As I- mentioned before, Voznesensky has maintained his personal
and artistic integrity despite periodic regime attacks on him and
constant fights with the censors. Although best known as a poet,
he has also done work in the graphic arts, has authored the score
of a very popular "rock opera," and is working on another theater
production.
Before the meeting you might want to glance at a review of his
latest book of poetry in English, which came out in 1979, and of
a couple of his poems which I translated. One, "Michelangelo's
Pieta" illustrates his use of religious themes, and the other,
"September," his portrayal of the plight of individuals caught in
a system which promises more than it delivers.
I would also appreciate your giving him my regards and conveying
my regret that I will not be in town to see him during this
visit.
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ily. Knowing he must leave it makes his
strates that ancient art has modern res-
Smith have given the Russian, both man
private world ever more intense, a work
onance. Nostalgia for the Present proves
and language, a new voice.
of art founded on schizpphrenia.
that Russia's contemporary poet tells age-
At its most eloquent, that voice echoes
Not all of Birdy reaches these heights.
less parables.
the lurching prophecies of Yeats:
The conclusion is a letdown, the magic
Voznesensky's tenth book reinforces
partially dissipated in explanations. Birdy
his reputation as a major lyricist and en-
A man in the dark, drunkenly
and Al are not above dime-store philos-
hances his role as the last of the inter-
seeking his matchbox,
national troubadours, a public man as rec-
cries: "Mary is pregnant again,
ophizing, attempting to blame their
and again the world is not
wounds on their cramped pasts. Their rec-
ognizable on American campuses as he
"
ollections, in fact, sound almost idyllic, a
is on his own soil. Literary and political
ready!
Norman Rockwell vision of mischievous
celebrities throng these pages: Poets Rob-
Or the hellish stanzas of Brecht:
childhood with none of the grime and fla-
ert Bly, Allen Ginsberg, Lawrence Fer-
vor air-brushed out.
linghetti, Richard Wilbur are among the
You and I, George, let us drink
These few flaws arise from excess,
many translators; Senator Edward Ken-
together,
from an ambitious giving of more than is
nedy and Playwright Arthur Miller con-
in our eyes the wild fires of
strictly required. First Novelist William
tribute moving forewords. Several poems
centuries glow.
Wharton (the pseudonym of a Philadel-
recall encounters with Robert Lowell,
Each sister is raped by her own
phia-born painter now in his mid-50s and
Robert Kennedy, Boris Pasternak and
brother,
living in Paris) is nothing if not audacious,
Marc Chagall. By all customary standards
and nobody knows whose brother
and his skills and determination make
Voznesensky should be thoroughly cor-
is who.
good on promises. Like his afflicted hero,
rupted by recognition and applause. In-
Wharton tries the impossible, and the re-
stead, his work has retained its pure, al-
sult, though linked to earth, mysteriously
most elemental force.
soars.
- Paul Gray
Nearly every poem glistens with iro-
ny: the man who is regularly censured at
Periscope of
home is not one to go gentle into that
good night. Muffled by Soviet bureaucra-
The Buried Dead
cy, he seethes:
I'm
NOSTALGIA FOR THE PRESENT
35th for a place in Vagankovo
by Andrei Voznesensky
Cemetery
Edited by Vera Dunham and
16th at the optician
Max Hayward
110th for an abortion
Doubleday; 268 pages; $10 hard-cover,
(not pregnant now, but ready when
$4.95 paperback
my time comes).
In "Technology" he admits:
artlett's Familiar Quotations spans
With all due respect to samovars,
some 5,000 years, from the Egyptian
in the very middle of this
Book of the Dead (circa 3500 B.C.) to the
verse of Andrei Voznesensky (born 1933).
provincial hole,
The book ends are astonishingly appo-
I long for plumbing and freedom
of thought.
site. The King Tut exhibition demon-
Throughout, Voznesensky's work is
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transfigured by metaphors. A man clothes
LEONID LUBIANITSKY
himself in a suit, a car, a garage, a nation,
a planet, a cosmos-and then realizes that
he has forgotten his watch. Timeless, he
has lost his place in history. A girl's black
Reciting in a Moscow stadium, 1978
bell-bottomed trousers "flare out as shad-
ow would flare out/ If the source of light/
Other lines evoke the imagery and
Were centered in her belly." The poet
attitudes of Auden and Whitman. But
moves in his leather jacket, "a cow's hide
for the most part Voznesensky recalls
stuffed with soul." In "War" he compress-
no one except himself. This courageous
es the century's anguish to four barbed-
and unique writer never retreats into
wire lines:
metaphysics, never merchandises the jar-
With the open eyes of their dead
gon of protest. Though all of his works
concern human rights, most are addressed
fathers
to the human condition: to accidental
Toward other worlds they gaze
death and still more accidental love, to
ahead-
the encroachments of the state, to the
Children who, wide-eyed, become
Periscopes of the buried dead.
lives of ordinary citizens of any country,
who will not succumb to blind authority
Nostalgia presents a single poetic vi-
or cheap despair.
sion and a choir of translators. They are
On each page the poet attempts to
not of equal worth. Robert Bly makes Voz-
contemplate his epoch with the emotions
nesensky sound like Robert Bly, all curt
of a participant and the eye of a future ob-
stanzas and quick vignettes. Ginsberg jet-
server. The task is impossible; one can
tisons the author's rhymes for some un-
no more feel authentic nostalgia for the
gainly free verse. The best work is the
present than get in front of one's nose. In
least obtrusive: working with Voznesen-
the end, Voznesensky does not emerge
Voznesensky in New York after U.S. tour
sky's supple and difficult lines, Max Hay-
with perfection, but with something bet-
A journey past the language barrier.
ward, Vera Dunham and William Jay
ter: rare and unsuspected truths that are
74 Can also be translated "Nostalgia for the Real a
TIME, JANUARY 15. 1979
double entendre in Russian.
the great goals of poetry. In the author's
Voznesensky recited for nearly two
Milestones
indelible metaphor:
hours, from memory as he always does.
23
His voice, softened in maturity, was al-
MARRIED. Nancy Lopez, 22, champion pro
The poet thrusts his body
ternately playful, mocking and most often
golfer who in her rookie season last year
like a tolling bell
sorrowing. As a spotlight shot harshly
became her sport's top woman money-
against the dome of insults.
into his face, his gaze turned inward in
maker with nearly $200,000 in earnings;
It hurts. But it resounds.
painful concentration. Asked why he ap-
and Timothy Melton, 29, a sportscaster
- Stefan Kanfer
peared so pained, Voznesensky explained:
from Harrisburg, Pa.; both for the first
"When I read, I repeat the process of cre-
time; in Medford Lakes, N.J.
In Russia 14,000 people gathered in
ation. I remember my mood when I was
a Moscow sports stadium last year to hear
writing a poem, as if I had walked into a
MARRIED. Sylvia Field Porter, 65, syndicat-
Andrei Voznesensky read his verse. As
forest. It is necessary masochism; it means
ed financial columnist and author; and
many as 500,000 Soviet citizens have sub-
suffering, but I like it." He even welcomes
James F. Fox, 61, New York City-based
scribed to buy a volume of his poetry. In
the intrusion of the spotlight. "It blinds
public relations executive; she for the
the U.S. more modest but still impressive
me, and I forget about the faces in front
third time, he for the first; in Manhattan.
numbers of students jam college audito-
of me I lose all connection with people. I
Porter, whose daily column appears in
riums whenever the poet pays a visit. In
can say everything then. It is like talking
over 400 papers worldwide, once earned
New York City after a two-month, 21-
to God, to your life and death. On stage,
a compliment from a White House read-
campus tour (his fifth in the U.S. since
you are another person. You belong to
er. "Why, goddammit," Lyndon Johnson
1966), Voznesensky charted his journey
language."
thundered, "can't these economists talk
past the language barrier in America.
straight like Sylvia?"
"At first I was exotic," the 45-year-
old poet recalls in fluent, strongly accent-
Editors' Choice
MARRIAGE REVEALED. Bernardo Bertolucci,
ed English. "People were listening to me
38, Italian film director (Last Tango in
more for the sound of my poetry than for
FICTION: Shosha, Isaac Bashevis
Paris, 1900); and Clare Peploe, 31, his Eng-
the sense. It helped that in those days I
Singer
The Cement Garden, Ian
lish assistant and onetime companion of
McEwan
was writing in a more musical and ag-
The Coup, John Updike
The Flounder, Günter Grass
The
Film Director Michelangelo Antonioni;
gressive style than I am now. My work
both for the first time; on Dec. 16, in
was also more constructivist. You could
Stories of John Cheever, John
Rome.
Cheever
see, and even hear, how my poetry was
The World According to
Garp, John Irving
War and
made: the rhythm, rhymes, associations
DIED. Olga Deterding, 52, Swiss heiress
and metaphors. My poems were easy to
Remembrance, Herman Wouk
(Royal Dutch/Shell Oil Co.), who fre-
catch hold of. When my book, Antiworlds,
NONFICTION: A Distant Mirror,
quently forsook affluent society to work
came out in English, translated by W.H.
Barbara W. Tuchman
A
Jew
for Dr. Albert Schweitzer in West Africa;
Auden and other marvelous poets, it pre-
Today, Elie Wiesel
American
after choking on a piece of meat at a New
pared audiences for the more delicately
Caesar, William Manchester
E.M.
Year's Eve party; in London. Deterding
orchestrated poetry I've been writing late-
Forster: A Life, P.N. Furbank
In
first joined Schweitzer's hospital in 1956,
ly. It's more surreal, analytical and elusive
Search of History, Theodore H.
while on an African safari. Assigned such
-quite impossible to catch."
White
The Annotated
chores as floor scrubbing and potato peel-
On his current tour, Voznesensky's
Shakespeare, A.L. Rowse
The
ing, she stayed for a year, returning at ir-
readings have been more muted than his
Culture of Narcissism, Christopher
regular intervals until Schweitzer's death
galvanic performances of the '60s and ear-
Lasch
in 1965. "There are times when I like to
ly '70s. In those days he would scuttle back
suffer," said the peripatetic millionaire.
and forth across the stage in spurts of con-
"Having so much money makes it nec-
vulsive energy, flailing the air with one
Best Sellers
essary to cleanse oneself."
hand while his powerful baritone voice
FICTION
rolled with the rhythms and assonances
DIED. Bolaslaw Piasecki, 63, Polish Com-
of such poems as Goya, his now famous
1. War and Remembrance, Wouk
munist official and chairman of the progo-
(1 last week)
war dirge. ("I am Goya/ of the bare field,
vernment Roman Catholic organization
by the enemy's beak gouged/ till the cra-
2. Chesapeake, Michener (2)
called PAX; of a thrombotic ailment, Buer-
ters of my eyes gape."
3. The Stories of John Cheever,
ger's disease; in Warsaw. Jailed by the So-
Cheever (5)
viets in 1944, he reportedly bartered for
4. Second Generation, Fast (3)
n contrast, at Voznesensky's reading
his eedom by agreeing to establish an as-
5. Fools Die, Puzo (4)
last month in Joseph Papp's Public
sociation of "patriotic" Catholics. Found-
Theater in New York City, the poet cre-
6. Evergreen, Plain (6)
ed in 1945, PAX was scorned by many Pol-
ated an atmosphere of almost monastic se-
7. The Far Pavilions, Kaye (9)
ish Catholics (including the present Pope)
renity. A large, white, Russian Orthodox
8. The Coup, Updike (10)
as a tool of the regime designed to split the
church candle burning on the podium pro-
9. The Empty Copper Sea,
church. Its influence began to wane in the
MacDonald (7)
vided virtually the only lighting. "It is
early 1960s as Warsaw and Rome started
more intimate for you, my friends," Voz-
10. Eye of the Needle, Follett
seeking an accommodation. In 1971, Pia-
nesensky explained to an audience that
NONFICTION
secki was appointed a member of the 16-
included Mstislav Rostropovich, Arthur
1. Mommie Dearest, Crawford (1)
man Council of State.
Schlesinger Jr. and C.P. Snow. As Poet
2. A Distant Mirror, Tuchman (3)
William Jay Smith, a favored translator
3. American Caesar, Manchester (2)
DIED. Conrad N. Hilton, 91, financial wizard
and friend, read English versions from
4. Gnomes, Huygen & Poortvliet (5)
who parlayed a small Texas hotel into
Nostalgia for the Present, Voznesensky
5. In Search of History, White (4)
an international chain of 261 hostelries;
could be glimpsed in the wings, his slight
6. Faeries, Froud & Lee (7)
of pneumonia; in Santa Monica, Calif. (see
figure rigid with apprehension, as if
7. If Life Is a Bowl of Cherries
ECONOMY & BUSINESS).
braced for combat. Following the Eng-
-What Am I Doing in the Pits?,
lish readings, Voznesensky moved for-
Bombeck (6)
DIED. Julia Rush Biddle Henry, 92, diminutive
ward to recite the Russian originals.
8. The Complete Book of Running,
grande dame of Philadelphia society,
Among them was a new poem: "Fighting
Fixx (8)
whose daily jogs throughout her 80s
eternal idiocy,/ born to the greatest deeds
9. Tutankhamun: The Untold Story,
helped keep her weight at 88 lbs. and her
there are,/ the literature of Russia/ con-
Hoving (9)
name on the world's best-dressed lists; in
ducts civil war."
10. Jackie Oh!, Kelley (10)
Chestnut Hill, Pa.
TIME, JANUARY 15. 1979
75
ПИЕТА МИКЕЛАНДЖЕЛО
MICHAELANGELO'S PIETA
What hosts of incomprehension were there
Сколько было тьмы непониманья,
чтоб ладонь прибитая Христа
that Christ's pierced palm
stretched out to us for cleansing
протянула HaM для умыванья
пригорошни, полные стыда?
cupped hands full of shame?
And again on pitch-dark waters
и опять Ha непроглядных водах
draining from a defiled pond
cToKoM ocKBepHeHHoΓo пруда
a lily grasps for air --
ЛИЛИЯ хватается 3a воздух -
like Christ's pierced palm.
KaK ладонь прибитая Христа.
SEPTEMBER
СЕНТЯБРЬ
Your black Volga chases distant headlights
into a grove of golden disillusionment.
воя «Волга» черная гонит фары дальние
рощи золоченого разочарования.
The devlish laser of will, early motherhood
speeds into a golden disillusionment
оли лазер чертовый, материнство paHHee
чится B золоченое разочарование!
They promised you gold -- they gave you brass.
And the dawn brings home the disillusionment,
осулили золото - - дали caMoBapHoe.
I зарей подчеркнуто разочарование
above the black plain and above the torn clouds
weeps the golden disillusionment'
ад равниной черною и над тучей рваною
лачет золоченое разочарование!
A diamond dust in the grove, like over a waterfall,
asks you to press the brakes when the trees are shedding leaves.
роще пыль алмазная - - KaK над водопадом
росит пригормаживать B пору листопада.
Don't race the car, my dear. Drive with care
into that golden disillusionment.
e гони, шоферочка! Берегись аварии
это золоченое разочарование.
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JACK MATLOCK
SUBJECT:
Russian Poet Voznesensky's Desire to Meet with
President
I understand that an appointment has been set for you to meet
with Andrei Voznesensky on Friday, June 7. I believe you will
find him a very interesting person to talk to. You should also
be aware that Voznesensky has expressed an interest in seeing the
President.
I have known Voznesensky for about 25 years and have translated
some of his poetry. He is an outstanding example of an artist
who has retained his integrity while staying within the
requirements of the system sufficiently to avoid expulsion or
imprisonment. I hosted him at a small dinner May 24, at which
time he made several penetrating comments about the system and
its impact on creativity. (He is one of the intellectuals who
feels that there is political rivalry between Gorbachev and
Gromyko. He also spoke at length about techniques for getting
non-official messages past the censors. His own poetry has a
heavy religious cast; in this respect his attitude is very close
to Pasternak's -- and Pasternak was his mentor when he got his
start in poetry.)
Since Voznesensky can speak with insight on several of the topics
the President is interested in, the President might enjoy a few
minutes with him. Voznesensky has met several other world
leaders and recently was granted a private audience with the
Pope. He told me that if he could see the President, he would
appreciate it being done without publicity, since that would only
create problems for him at home.
While I would normally be eager to attend any meetings with
Andrei, I will be in London Friday at the Chief of Mission
conference.
Recommendation:
That you try to arrange for Voznesensky to see the President, if
you think the President would be interested and his calendar
permits.
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FROM:
JACK MATLOCK
SUBJECT:
Summitry
Mark Palmer mentioned to me last night that he understood that
you and Secretary Shultz would be meeting with Dobrynin to
deliver a reply on Gorbachev's meeting suggestion, and that he
understood that we would be proposing Geneva.
I hope Mark's information is garbled, and that this is not the
case. On the possibility that he misunderstood the current state
of play, I would like to submit the following thoughts for your
consideration:
1. It is undesirable to respond too quickly to Gorbachev's
proposal for a meeting in Europe, since that will reinforce the
impression that the President wants a meeting more than he does.
This is particularly true given the conflicting signals we have
received. regarding Gorbachev's own desires.
2. The fact of the matter is that a meeting in a third country in
Europe is, in most respects, the least attractive of the three
alternatives. I say this because it is the variant which puts
the least pressure on the Soviets to change some of their
policies in order to insure a successful meeting. These
pressures are greater if they receive an American President
there, and also if they send their leader here. And our
historical experience has been that meetings in third countries
tend to be either failures or sterile (Kennedy-Khrushchev in
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in the sense that SALT-II had already been negotiated, and even
if that is considered an achievement, it was not an achievement
of the meeting). I believe these factors should be carefully
considered by the President before he is encouraged to move in
the direction of a meeting in a third country.
3. If there is some difference between Gromyko's desires
regarding a meeting and Gorbachev's, then a quick acceptance of
the proposal in the letter (which bears all the earmarks of
LOJ
having been written in the Foreign Ministry) simply hands Gromyko
NLS
an easy victory. We should be cautious about doing this until we
get a better feel for Gorbachev's real desires.
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4. For this reason, I would strongly recommend that we delay a
reply for a couple of weeks, and use the time to have the Agency
contact try to find out from Ryzhkov what Gorbachev really wants.
I still suspect that he would prefer to come to the U.S., and if
this is the only way he can get a meeting, he might well agree.
5. Rather than agreeing precipitously to a third country, we
should give careful thought to the advantages and disadvantages
of the President going to Moscow. I don't like the idea of his
making the trip first any more than the others, but I believe
that if we cannot have a meeting here, one there would almost
certainly be more productive than one in a third country. Given
the Soviet approach to these things, it would put them under
pressure, at a minimum, to moderate their propaganda attacks and
start making some gestures in the human rights field. It would
make it most difficult for them to continue to portray the
President as a threat, since the symbolism of his visit would
undermine this claim -- certainly among the Russian people and
probably also in Western Europe. None of these advantages are
gained from a meeting in a third country, which in fact maximizes
the liabilities (high public expectations) and minimizes the
leverage for Soviet performance.
In sum, unless an irrevocable decision has already been made, I
would strongly recommend that we slow down, give some careful
thought to these nuances, and play our cards deliberately.
I would appreciate an opportunity to see you briefly as soon as
you can make time, in order to obtain your guidance on several
ongoing issues.
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MEMORANDUM FOR ROBERT C. MCFARLANE
FROM:
JACK MATLOCK
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SUBJECT:
Summitry
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Mark Palmer mentioned to me last night that he understood that
you and Secretary Shultz would be meeting with Dobrynin to
deliver a reply on Gorbachev's meeting suggestion, and that he
understood that we would be proposing Geneva.
I hope Mark's information is garbled, and that this is not the
case. On the possibility that he misunderstood the current state
of play, I would like to submit the following thoughts for your
consideration:
1. It is undesirable to respond too quickly to Gorbachev's
proposal for a meeting in Europe, since that will reinforce the
impression that the President wants a meeting more than he does.
This is particularly true given the conflicting signals we have
received regarding Gorbachev's own desires.
2. The fact of the matter is that a meeting in a third country in
Europe is, in most respects, the least attractive of the three
alternatives. I say this because it is the variant which puts
the least pressure on the Soviets to change some of their
policies in order to insure a successful meeting. These
pressures are greater if they receive an American President
there, and also if they send their leader here. And our
historical experience has been that meetings in third countries
tend to be either failures or sterile (Kennedy-Khrushchev in
Vienna and Carter-Brezhnev, also in Vienna -- the latter sterile
in the sense that SALT-II had already been negotiated, and even
if that is considered an achievement, it was not an achievement
of the meeting). I believe these factors should be carefully
considered by the President before he is encouraged to move in
the direction of a meeting in a third country.
3. If there is some difference between Gromyko's desires
regarding a meeting and Gorbachev's, then a quick acceptance of
the proposal in the letter (which bears all the earmarks of
having been written in the Foreign Ministry) simply hands Gromyko
an easy victory. We should be cautious about doing this until we
get a better feel for Gorbachev's real desires.
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4. For this reason, I would strongly recommend that we delay a
reply for a couple of weeks, and use the time to have the Agency
contact try to find out from Ryzhkov what Gorbachev really wants.
I still suspect that he would prefer to come to the U.S., and if
this is the only way he can get a meeting, he might well agree.
5. Rather than agreeing precipitously to a third country, we
should give careful thought to the advantages and disadvantages
of the President going to Moscow. I don't like the idea of his
making the trip first any more than the others, but I believe
that if we cannot have a meeting here, one there would almost
certainly be more productive than one in a third country. Given
the Soviet approach to these things, it would put them under
pressure, at a minimum, to moderate their propaganda attacks and
start making some gestures in the human rights field. It would
make it most difficult for them to continue to portray the
President as a threat, since the symbolism of his visit would
undermine this claim -- certainly among the Russian people and
probably also in Western Europe. None of these advantages are
gained from a meeting in a third country, which in fact maximizes
the liabilities (high public expectations) and minimizes the
leverage for Soviet performance.
In sum, unless an irrevocable decision has already been made, I
would strongly recommend that we slow down, give some careful
thought to these nuances, and play our cards deliberately.
I would appreciate an opportunity to see you briefly as soon as
you can make time, in order to obtain your guidance on several
ongoing issues.
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MEMORANDUM FOR ROBERT C. MCFARLANE
FROM:
JACK MATLOCK JEM
SUBJECT:
Gorbachev's Reference to Remarks Attributed to You
You will recall that I mentioned to you the report from the
Italians that Gorbachev had told Craxi that he had just received
a cable from Dobrynin which reported that you had "confirmed
nonchalantly" that the negotiations in Geneva had no prospect of
success and had "insisted on the importance of a summit meeting."
Hartman reported this from Moscow and was instructed to inform
those allied missions briefed by the Italians that the purported
quotations were a total fabrication.
State subsequently raised the matter with Sokolov, pointing out
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that such misquotations damage Dobrynin's reputation as a
reliable reporter. Sokolov said that he would discuss the matter
with Dobrynin and attempt to obtain an explanation.
The next day, Sokolov telephoned Simons to say that Dobrynin had
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sent two cables to Moscow, one reporting conversations at Ken
Dam's farewell reception, which included conversations with you
and Secretary Shultz, the latter touching on the summit question,
and one reporting on his luncheon conversation with Kampelman,
which dealt primarily with the Geneva negotiations. Dobrynin
speculated that Gorbachev had read both cables and had mixed up
the identity of the interlocutors.
Comment: Even if it is true that Gorbachev mixed up a cable
reporting a conversation with Kampelman with one reporting on a
conversation with you and/or Shultz, it does not explain why
Gorbachev received such a distorted view of what was said.
Certainly Max was not as negative on the prospects for Geneva as
was reported, nor could Shultz's comments on the possibility of a
summit be considered "insisting on its importance."
I believe that we should consider this incident as clear warning
of the danger of depending largely on Dobrynin to convey our
messages to Moscow. It is obvious either that his reporting is
inaccurate, or that his commentary puts a twist on the
conversation so that his report leaves a distorted impression on
his readers. The lesson for us should be clear: if we want to
be understood accurately in Moscow, we better make sure that the
message is conveyed directly by our own people.
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MEMORANDUM FOR ROBERT C. MCFARLANE
FROM:
JACK MATLOCK Asm
SUBJECT:
Approach to U.S.-Soviet Talks on Afghanistan,
June 18-19
State has finally submitted a scope paper for the talks with the
Soviets on Afghanistan today and tomorrow.
These are consistent with the approach worked out in consultation
with Don Fortier, Steve Sestanovich and me, but the paper arrived
too late for us to give formal approval before the talks.
At this late date I see no point in your taking time to read the
paper; a report on the outcome (if any) of the talks should be
available shortly.
Steve Sestanovich and Jock Covey concur.
Recommendation:
That you ask Bill Martin to request State to submit scope papers
for important consultations in more timely fashion in the future.
Approve of
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U.S. -Soviet Talks on Afghanistan: Scope Paper
CC: Don Fortier
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THE WHITE HOUSE
SUBJECT: Approach to U.S. Soviet Talks on Afghanistan
Attached for your concurrence is a scope paper out-
lining the U.S. approach to the U.S. - -Soviet Talks on
Afghanistan scheduled for June 18-19 in Washington.
Mucholes Mair
Mucholas
Nicholas Platt
Executive Secretary
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SUBJECT: US-Soviet Talks on Afghanistan: Scope Paper
I. THE SETTING
Our experts' talks with the Soviets on Afghanistan come at a
difficult moment in the conflict. Under the new leadership in
Moscow, the Soviets are carrying the war to the resistance and
the Afghan civilian population with increasing purpose and
brutality and are stepping up their diplomatic and military
pressure on Pakistan. This forward-leaning approach is tempered
by occasional hints of flexibility on Moscow's part. The
Pakistan Government has responded firmly to this increased
militancy but is anxious for continued long-term support from
the U.S. Now that the Pakistanis have begun a process of
democratization, sustaining public support for their cooperation
with us and for their tough stand on the Afghanistan issue may
become a problem.
In these circumstances, we are in a position to advance our
interests in several ways. We will want to reiterate to them
that Afghanistan is a major obstacle to improvement of relations
between us, that our support for Pakistan is unwavering, that we
support the elements of a solution to the problem outlined in
successive UNGA resolutions and the U.N. negotiations as a means
of achieving this outcome, and that, were the Soviets genuinely
willing to seek a negotiated solution, we would explore
seriously the prospect of giving some form of U.S. guarantee to
an overall settlement. As to the issue itself, we will reassert
that the inter-relationship of Soviet troop withdrawal and the
the other eleménts of a comprehensive settlement is the core of
the problem and will try to see if there has been any change in
Moscow's position on this point. Finally, our presentation will
be designed in such a way that, if, as we expect, there is no
give to the Soviet position, we will be in a good position to
exploit their intransigence in our public diplomacy.
In sum, although we doubt our talks with the Soviets will
produce substantive progress, they should benefit our
relationship with Pakistan as well as our public diplomatic
posture. We have consulted closely with the Pakistanis, who
have stressed the importance they attach to our holding these
talks, and to our projecting an impression of seriousness in our
presentations. From their comments, we have a precise idea as
to how we can further their interests as we serve our own.
Ensuring that our ideas are heard by the Soviets, following
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through with more U.S.-Pakistani consultations after the talks,
and working together when appropriate to exploit likely Soviet
intransigence publicly should serve to enhance our relations
with Islamabad. If we learn something from the Soviets in the
process, and perhaps do something to disabuse them of the notion
that we are out to "get" them in Afghanistan, so much the better.
II. U.S. OBJECTIVES
A. To reiterate that the Afghanistan issue is important to
us both as a matter of principle and because it is a major
obstacle to the development of constructive relations between
the U.S. and the U.S.S.R. Our stand requires that we continue
to give all appropriate forms of support to the Afghan
resistance and to the Pakistan Government.
B. To emphasize that we stand behind the Pakistanis and
that Soviet attempts to put pressure on Islamabad risk a
widening of the conflict. That we are discussing Afghanistan
with the Soviets is to be a reassurance to doubters in Pakistan
that we are seriously interested in peace.
C. While we are not and will not be a party to the
negotiations on Afghanistan, to confirm our support for a
negotiated solution to the conflict which is based on all
elements of successive UNGA resoutions and in which the
interests of all parties are recognized, for the U.N.
negotiator's efforts, and for the peace agreement framework he
has devised. We do not seek a strategic position for ourselves
in Afghanistan but rather a return to the country's former
independent and non-aligned status in which Soviet security
interests were met.
D. To explore the substance of the Soviet position with a
view to determining whether there has been any shift in the
Soviet attitude towards the conflict generally and on the
linkage between Soviet troop withdrawals and other elements of a
settlement in particular.
E. To position ourselves to exploit in our diplomatic
exchanges the intransigent Soviet attitude we expect will emerge
from these talks.
III. SOVIET OBJECTIVES
1. The Soviets will presumably want to project continuity
in policy during a time of leadership transition. In particular
we believe they will stress that they will not be forced to quit
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Afghanistan by the military pressure of the mujahidin. This is
likely to be expressed in their formal statements, which will be
tough and unyielding; it may also be reflected in Soviet
military action on the ground before the talks. The Soviets
might see the latter as a signal to us of their determination to
stay the course.
2. Pakistan, and our support for Islamabad, will be a
specific Soviet target. After impressing upon us their
intention of toughing it out in Afghanistan, the Soviets are
likely to point out Pakistan's "complicity" in supplying the
"bandits" in Afghanistan and the possible negative consequences
for regional security (read increased Soviet military pressures
on Islamabad). We will need to make clear that Soviet efforts
to bully Pakistan, to whom we have a strong commitment, are
futile.
3. We assume that the Soviets will want to avoid any
discussion of the DRA regime in Afghanistan and specifically any
changes in the composition of the current Karmal government.
These issues may, however, come up in conversations on the
margin of the talks and may shed some light on whether the hints
we have picked up about possible Soviet interest in kicking
Karmal upstairs might have some substance. Without explicitly
drawing the link to the future of the Karmal regime, we will
want to impress on the Soviets that any negotiated settlement
will have to address the concerns of the mujahidin.
4. The Soviets have already heard Dick Murphy's
presentation on Afghanistan and will be listening carefully to
see if we have modified our position on Afghanistan in any way.
They will be particularly interested in seeing if this might
include a willingness to cut a deal which would sacrifice
Afghanistan in return for a Soviet concession somewhere else.
5. Based on the record of Murphy and Crocker's meetings,
the Soviets will try to strike a pose of aggrieved
reasonableness. They may also seek to use the fact of these
talks to deflect criticism of their Afghan policy, by arguing
with some interlocutors that they remain flexible and interested
in pursuing negotiations, while we remain committed to pursuing
the war against the Karmal regime rather than ending it by
negotiation.
IV. U.S. PRESENTATION
Our opening presentation to the Soviets should contain the
following elements:
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A. Nature of the Problem: We see the mujahidin military
activity and popular opposition to the Soviet occupation and to
the Kabul regime also rising. We see the cost in Soviet men,
materiel, and other resources (including Soviet prestige)
rising. After five and a half years of fighting, loss of life
and destruction of property continue to increase. The
bombardment of civilian targets has intensified, forcing more
and more Afghans to abandon their homes and seek refuge
elsewhere. International condemnation of what is happening in
Afghanistan is expressed virtually unanimously at the United
Nations and in other international gatherings. Any possible
doubt either that the war in Afghanistan is anything other than
a national liberation struggle by an entire people against a
foreign occupier and an oppressive, foreign-imposed regime or
that the Afghan people reject the People's Democratic Party of
Afghanistan as their representative has long since been
dispelled. A symbol of this national resolve is the decision of
the major resistance groups to join in a single alliance which
will speak for the Afghan people throughout the world.
Our position in support of the Afghan people, and of the
Government of Pakistan, is a principled one. It is based on the
bedrock of American public opinion, expressed directly and
through the elected representatives of the people, that the
United States has a moral obligation to stand behind a cause
that is just. The expressions of support for this policy from
Congress are strong across the board. The unambiguous nature of
the Afghanistan situation means that there is no alternative to
continuing our present policy towards the conflict and to
maintaining our unwavering commitments to the Pakistan
Government.
In these circumstances, the Afghanistan issue cannot but
remain a major obstacle to the emergence of a more normal and
constructive relationship between the United States and the
Soviet Union. What is happening in Afghanistan inevitably
raises questions as to whether measures aimed at reducing
tensions should even be attempted and creates a climate of
suspicion. As a result, everything else in our relationship is
made more difficult while the Soviet Union is waging war in
Afghanistan. For us, it is the outstanding example of Soviet
willingness to use military force to impose political solutions
unacceptable to third countries and parties without regard to
the consequences in our bilateral relations. We attach major
importance to developing a constructive relationship and
therefore welcome the opportunity both to discuss the
Afghanistan problem and to seek practical means of resolving it.
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B. The U.S. Position: For the United States, Afghan
affairs are ordinarily of slight interest. The Soviet Union
will always have great influence in Afghanistan. A negotiated
solution should be the most attractive of the options the Soviet
Union currently faces, but we have not yet seen any sign of a
serious Soviet commitment to this course. Other Soviet choices
include an escalation of the war or allowing the present
standoff to continue indefinitely. Each of these latter
alternatives is grim. The first would involve a sharp increase
both in the number of Soviet casualties and in the suffering
inflicted on the Afghan people. The war would become an even
larger issue in the eyes of the world, and the international
opprobrium the Soviet Union would face could be expected to
grow. Also, given the record of the Afghan resistance up to
now, it is questionable whether such tactics would succeed in
ending the conflict in the near or middle term. As for
continuing the present course, the prospect of more casualties
over an indefinite time period, of continued tension in the
sub-continent with the attendant risk of a widening of the war,
and of growing criticism of Soviet policies by the world
community must not be an attractive one from Moscow's point of
view.
Serious negotiations offer a possibility of resolving the
conflict in a way satisfactory to all concerned. The U.S.
position, which has always been consistent with the U.N.
resolutions, is that a comprehensive settlement include the
following elements: (a) withdrawal of Soviet troops; (b)
restoration of Afghanistan's independence and non-alignment
within internationally recognized borders; (c) safe and
honorable return of the refugees; and (d) the opportunity for
the Afghan people to determine their own political future.
The Cordovez talks have produced a framework upon which such
a comprehensive settlement could be built. These negotiations
could go forward on the basis of the following principles:
1. Inter-Relationship of Troop Withdrawal and Other
Elements of a Comprehensive Settlement: The heart of the
Afghanistan problem is the relationship between the withdrawal
of Soviet troops and the other elements of a comprehensive
settlement of the Afghanistan problem. If the principle can be
established that troop withdrawals would take place in the same
timeframe in which other elements of the settlement were being
brought into force and becoming practical realities, and if the
timeframe for withdrawals were both specific and short, a great
step towards peace will have been taken, and an internationally
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guaranteed settlement could be envisaged. There are, of course,
other knotty problems which must be resolved, but this, it seems
to us, is the core issue.
2. Respect for the Interests of All Parties: A settlement
of the Afghanistan issue involves the restoration of the
country's independent and non-aligned status. As President
Reagan wrote to Chairman Gorbachev earlier this year, the United
States would like to see "a political solution that will deal
equitably with the related issues of withdrawal of your troops
to their homeland and guarantees of non-interference." Contrary
to charges made from time to time by the Kabul authorities, the
United States does not seek the transformation of Afghanistan
into a base for future anti-Soviet activities. Over many
decades, and with Afghan regimes of all kinds, we have been
content to have no role. This was so even though the Soviet
Union did have a major role in Afghan affairs. At the same
time, as President Reagan wrote to Chairman Gorbachev, we
recognize the interest of the Afghan people in living under a
government of their own choosing and of the Soviet Union in
having a secure southern frontier. We also recognize, as part
of an overall settlement, the importance of procedures for the
safe and honorable return of the refugees to their homes.
3. Mutual Confidence: Finally, although the United States
is not involved in Afghanistan peace negotiations, we believe
that a measure of mutual confidence between the U.S. and the
Soviet Union is important to the success of such discussions.
Unfortunately, such confidence is lacking at present. We, for
example, believe we have seen a discrepancy between Soviet
professions of an interest in peace and the realities on the
ground inside the country. At the same time, the Soviets
continue to make known their skepticism at our insistence that
we have no ulterior motives in seeking a withdrawal of their
forces from Afghanistan.
V. POSSIBLE FOLLOW-ON DISCUSSIONS
The foregoing presentation in itself serves the first three
of our objectives and at the same time leaves the Soviets
openings for further discussion should they choose to pursue
them. As indicated above, we expect the Soviets will stake out
a tough position in their reply to our presentation, and it is
conceivable that their statement will be entirely rhetorical.
If this is the case, we will rebut their arguments as necessary
and allow the talks to come to an end with most of our
objectives fulfilled.
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If, on the other hand, the Soviets make it clear that they
are interested in exploring some of our ideas more fully, we
will be prepared to set forth a few of our ideas in more detail
and to make one specific suggestion to them. At the beginning
of this part of our presentation, we will reiterate the point
that we are not a party to the conflict in Afghanistan and have
neither the wish nor the intention to negotiate with them on the
issue. We will then stress that the problem nonetheless causes
us major and growing concern and that we have had occasion to
think carefully about ways of resolving it.
The role we might play in the endorsement of a comprehensive
solution to the problem is a subject which might bear further
discussion. How we approach this issue will be governed by the
Soviet approach to the overall question of a negotiated
solution. We may, for example, get an indication from their
presentation that they are seriously considering Cordovez's
latest formulation and that, specifically, they recognize the
need for an "inter-relationship instrument" in which the link
between Soviet troop withdrawal and other aspects of the
settlement is recognized. In this situation, we might counter
by reiterating our view that some sort of international
endorsement or undertaking to guarantee all elements of such a
settlement would be appropriate and desirable, while pressing
the point that any guarantees should apply to the entire
agreement, not just cessation of outside interference. There is
a small chance that the Soviets will go farther, perhaps
indicating, as academician Evgeni Primakov did in a recent
Washington Post interview, that they recognize the linkage
between troop withdrawal and cessation of "outside interference"
and that they do not intend to force socialism on an unwilling
recipient. In this event, we might want to be more specific
about our interest in facilitating the withdrawal of their
troops and in endorsing an overall agreement that was acceptable
to all the parties.
We will also be alert for any sign that the Soviets are
interested in exploring formulas that would link the withdrawal
of their troops from Afghanistan to other aspects of a
comprehensive settlement. The latest word from the Pakistanis
and U.N. negotiator Cordovez is that the Soviets have for the
first time agreed to accept the principle that a "mother
document" mentioning troop withdrawal could be part of an
overall agreement. They have apparently not, however, agreed to
giving this document any juridical status. There is not much we
can contribute in this domain except to encourage the linkage of
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troop withdrawal with other elements of the settlement and to
press for a specific, short timeframe for getting Soviet forces
out of the country.
During our consultations, the Pakistanis noted that one
question which greatly interested the Soviets was prisoner
exchange. We said we had decided not to pursue this issue since
the ICRC was being denied access to Kabul's Pul-i-Charkhi jail
and therefore could not play its proper role and since, in any
case, it was our understanding that the Soviets did not take
mujahidin prisoners. The Pakistanis said they understood the
Soviets might be willing to make some concessions which would
facilitate a genuine exchange of prisoners and subsequently
asked that we suggest to the Soviets that they pressure the
Kabul authorities to grant the ICRC access to its resistance
prisoners. In return, the Pakistanis said they would be willing
to use their good offices with the resistance to reactivate the
process of having Soviet prisoners sent to Switzerland for a
two-year period following which the prisoners could choose to go
back to the Soviet Union or to seek asylum elsewhere. The
Pakistanis asked that we make their offer of good offices known
to the Soviets. If the atmosphere in our talks warrants it, we
plan to pass on the Pakistani request and offer.
V. LIKELY SOVIET REACTION AND POST-TALKS U.S. POSTURE
As noted above, we are skeptical that the Soviets will be
any more forthcoming in this round of talks than they were in
any of our previous discussions on the Afghanistan issue, and we
doubt that we will get very far into a discussion of the issues
described in the previous section. Nevertheless, our intention
is to signal Moscow that, while we remain unyielding on major
questions of principle, we are prepared to facilitate Soviet
withdrawal from Afghanistan should they prove seriously
interested in leaving. At this juncture, it seems particularly
important to emphasize the centrality of the relationship
between troop withdrawal and the other elements of a general
settlement and to stress the need for the timeframe for troop
withdrawal to be short. In the 1982 talks we spent much of the
time discussing the need for the removal of the Karmal regime in
Kabul as a pre-condition for a settlement. As a practical
matter this would be necessary as part of a genuine settlement.
It is a point, however, which the Soviets are unwilling to
consider and whose discussion in 1982 led to a sterile exchange
as to whether the conflict were the result of conditions inside
Afghanistan or, as the Soviets insist, the situation "around"
the country. We should focus this time on the issue which is
central to the achievement of a comprehensive settlement.
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JACK MATLOCK fem
SUBJECT:
Gorbachev's Reference to Remarks Attributed to You
You will recall that I mentioned to you the report from the
Italians that Gorbachev had told Craxi that he had just received
a cable from Dobrynin which reported that you had "confirmed
nonchalantly" that the negotiations in Geneva had no prospect of
success and had "insisted on the importance of a summit meeting."
Hartman reported this from Moscow and was instructed to inform
those allied missions briefed by the Italians that the purported
quotations were a total fabrication.
State subsequently raised the matter with Sokolov, pointing out
that such misquotations damage Dobrynin's reputation as a
reliable reporter. Sokolov said that he would discuss the matter
with Dobrynin and attempt to obtain an explanation.
The next day, Sokolov telephoned Simons to say that Dobrynin had
sent two cables to Moscow, one reporting conversations at Ken
Dam's farewell reception, which included conversations with you
and Secretary Shultz, the latter touching on the summit question,
and one reporting on his luncheon conversation with Kampelman,
which dealt primarily with the Geneva negotiations. Dobrynin
speculated that Gorbachev had read both cables and had mixed up
the identity of the interlocutors.
Comment: Even if it is true that Gorbachev mixed up a cable
reporting a conversation with Kampelman with one reporting on a
conversation with you and/or Shultz, it does not explain why
Gorbachev received such a distorted view of what was said.
Certainly Max was not as negative on the prospects for Geneva as
was reported, nor could Shultz's comments on the possibility of a
summit be considered "insisting on its importance."
I believe that we should consider this incident as clear warning
of the danger of depending largely on Dobrynin to convey our
messages to Moscow. It is obvious either that his reporting is
inaccurate, or that his commentary puts a twist on the
conversation so that his report leaves a distorted impression on
agre
his readers. The lesson for us should be clear: if we want to
be understood accurately in Moscow, we better make sure that the
message is conveyed directly by our own people.
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MEMORANDUM
NATIONAL SECURITY COUNCIL
June 20, 19PMI
ACTION
MEMORANDUM FOR ROBERT C. MCFARLANE
FROM:
JACK F. MATLOCK Jan
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SUBJECT:
Letter from Armand Hammer
Armand Hammer wrote you notifying you that he would be seeing
Gorbachev June 17 and offering "to render any assistance you may
wish. "
It of course is not our policy to use Hammer to pass specific
messages.
Since I understand that an appointment has been set for Hammer to
see the President briefly on June 24, I believe a reply to
Hammer's June 6 letter is unnecessary.
Sestanovich, Robinson na and Martin concur.
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RECOMMENDATION
That you thank Hammer for his letter when you see him June 24.
Approve m
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Letter from Armand Hammer with attachments
Haff Mattock 4673
OCCIDENTAL PETROLEUM CORPORATION
10889 WILSHIRE BOULEVARD
SUITE 1600
RCM HAS SEEN
LOS ANGELES, CALIFORNIA 90024
(213) 879-1700
(213) 208-8800
ARMAND HAMMER
CHAIRMAN AND
CHIEF EXECUTIVE OFFICER
June 6, 1985
The Honorable Robert C. McFarlane
Assistant to the President
for National Security Affairs
The White House
Washington, DC 20500
Dear Bud:
I was informed today that I will be meeting
with General Secretary Ghorbachev in the Kremlin
on June 17th. I have written to notify the
President and George Shultz and am prepared to
render any assistance you may wish. A copy
of my letter to the President is attached.
I enjoyed the recent New York Times Sunday piece
on you and am very glad that all is going so
well with your own career.
With every best wish, I am,
Sincerely,
annund
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OCCIDENTAL PETROLEUM CORPORATION
10889 WILSHIRE BOULEVARD
SUITE 1600
LOS ANGELES, CALIFORNIA 90024
(213) 879-1700 (213) 208-8800
ARMAND HAMMER
CHAIRMAN AND
CHIEF EXECUTIVE OFFICER
June 6, 1985
The President
The White House
Washington, DC 20500
Dear Mr. President:
I was informed yesterday while in Bogota, Colombia,
where I was meeting with President Betancur,
that General Secretary Ghorbachev will receive me
at the Kremlin on June 17th.
I wanted to officially inform you of this in the
event it is of any assistance. I am also notifying
Secretary Shultz and Bud McFarlane.
As an American citizen, I am always available to
you for any consultation you may desire.
Thank you very much for the kind words about my
"youth" which you expressed to Gordon Reece at
George Will's dinner Tuesday night. He told me of
it and was very thrilled at the honor of meeting
and talking with you.
I had an excellent meeting with Jay Keyworth Monday
morning, and I believe he will shortly send you a
full report on the achievements of your Cancer Panel,
which I have the honor to chair.
With every best wishes,
Respectfully,
annoud Hannum
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10889 WILSHIRE BOULEVARD
SUITE 1600
ROM HAS SEEN
LOS ANGELES, CALIFORNIA 90024
(213) 879-1700
(213) 208-8800
ARMAND HAMMER
CHAIRMAN AND
CHIEF EXECUTIVE OFFICER
June 6, 1985
The Honorable Robert C. McFarlane
Assistant to the President
for National Security Affairs
The White House
Washington, DC 20500
Dear Bud:
I was informed today that I will be meeting
with General Secretary Ghorbachev in the Kremlin
on June 17th. I have written to notify the
President and George Shultz and am prepared to
render any assistance you may wish. A copy
of my letter to the President is attached.
I enjoyed the recent New York Times Sunday piece
on you and am very glad that all is going so
well with your own career.
With every best wish, I am,
Sincerely,
annund
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UNCLASSIFIED
(Classification)
DEPARTMENT OF STATE
EXECUTIVE SECRETARIAT
TRANSMITTAL FORM
XR-8517085
S/S # 8517430
Date: June 17, 1985
FOR:
Mr. Robert C. McFarlane
National Security Council
The White House
Reference:
To: The President
From: Armand Hammer
Date: June 6, 1985
Subject: Mr. Hammer's June 17
Meeting with Soviet General Secretary Gorbachev
WH Referral Dated: June 13, 1985
NSC ID# 305310
(if any)
The attached item was sent directly to the
Department of State
Action Taken:
A draft reply is attached.
A draft reply will be forwarded.
A translation is attached.
X
An information copy of a direct reply is attached.
(see REMARKS below)
We believe no response is necessary for the reason
cited below.
The Department of State has no objection to the
proposed travel.
Other.
Remarks: Mr. Hammer sent similar letter to Secretary Shultz on same
date; Department believes attached reply from the Secretary
should suffice as a response to letter to the President.
Janes Executive Nicholas w Secretary Platt Bean
UNCLASSIFIED
(Classification)
THE SECRETARY OF STATE
WASHINGTON
June 15, 1985
Dear Mr. Hammer:
Thank you for your letter of June 6, concerning your upcoming
meeting with General Secretary Gorbachev in Moscow.
I understand that Deputy Assistant Secretary Mark Palmer
recently talked with your associate, Bill McSweeney. I gather
that they went over the entire agenda of issues we are now
pursuing with the Soviets, and that Mark suggested the kinds of
themes we believe it would be useful for you to stress with the
Soviets during your upcoming trip.
I think it would be particularly important that you
underscore to Mr. Gorbachev and any of his colleagues you meet
the President's determination to build a more constructive
relationship. We have put forward a number of ideas for
consideration in every area of our dialogue. We are frankly
somewhat disappointed that they have refused to engage us in a
serious discussion of many of these issues.
The President's decision to continue our policy of interim
restraint with regard to the SALT II Treaty is a case in point.
I am sure you read their negative reaction as published in TASS.
I don't need to tell you the significance of that decision and
what it says about the President's determination to pursue a new
arms control agreement in Geneva. I hope you will emphasize to
the Soviet leadership the importance of seizing the current
political opportunity to build a better relationship. I hope
you will also emphasize the importance which all Americans place
on positive Soviet actions on key human rights concerns.
We have let Ambassador Hartman in Moscow know about your
trip. I hope you will be able to meet with him after your
meetings to share your impressions and your assessment of the
way in which the new Soviet leadership is approaching both
domestic and international problems.
With warm personal regards.
Sincerely yours,
Gone
George P. Shultz
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Armand Hammer, Chairman,
Chief Executive Officer,
10889 Wilshire Boulevard,
Los Angeles, California
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OCCIDENTAL PETROLEUM CORPORATION
10889 WILSHIRE BOULEVARD
SUITE 1600
LOS ANGELES. CALIFORNIA 90024
(213) 879-1700
(213) 208-8800
ARMAND HAMMER
CHAIRMAN AND
June 6, 1985
CHIEF EXECUTIVE OFFICER
The Honorable George P. Shultz
Secretary of State
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Department of State
Washington, D.C. 20520
Dear Mr. Secretary:
I have been informed that I will be received by
General Secretary Ghorbachev in the Kremlin on
June 17th and have written to the President. A
copy of my letter is attached.
As you know, I am always prepared to be of whatever
service possible to our government and will make
myself available for consultation if you so
desire.
I admire greatly what you have accomplished as
Secretary of State and wish to express every con-
fidence with you at the helm of our foreign policy
in the years immediately ahead.
With every best wish, I am,
Sincerely,
amount Harmana
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PRESIDENT
OCCIDENTAL PETROLEUM CORPORATION
SUITE 1600
10889 WILSHIRE BOULEVARD
LOS ANGELES CA 90024
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OCCIDENTAL PETROLEUM CORPORATION
10889 WILSHIRE BOULEVARD
SUITE 1600
LOS ANGELES. CALIFORNIA 90024
(213) 879-1700
(213) 208-8800
ARMAND HAMMER
CHAIRMAN AND
CHIEF EXECUTIVE OFFICER
5517430
June 6, 1985
The President
The White House
Washington, DC 20500
Dear Mr. President:
I was informed yesterday while in Bogota, Colombia,
where I was meeting with President Betancur,
that General Secretary Ghorbachev will receive me
at the Kremlin on June 17th.
I wanted to officially inform you of this in the
event it is of any assistance. I am also notifying
Secretary Shultz and Bud McFarlane.
As an American citizen, I am always available to
you for any consultation you may desire.
Thank you very much for the kind words about my
"youth" which you expressed to Gordon Reece at
George Will's dinner Tuesday night. He told me of
it and was very thrilled at the honor of meeting
and talking with you.
I had an excellent meeting with Jay Keyworth Monday
morning, and I believe he will shortly send you a
full report on the achievements of your Cancer Panel,
which I have the honor to chair.
With every best wishes,
Respectfully,
annoud Hannum
AH:ec