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Boall Hall
125
My introductory matters will be very brief. I want to welcome everybody
at Boalt Hall and perhaps I should say that if you look at the person on
your left and then the person on your right, two of you will be Boalt Hall
students and don't even have to be welcomed.
This is an Institute on Law and Politics and we have a lot of discussions
and activities relating to lab and polities at Boalt Hall. I think it was
in the Spring of 1953 that we had our first Boalt Hall Conference of this
type and it was on Ethics in Government. It was a very exciting conference
that, in turn, has led to many others - for example the special conference
on the California Legislature and many sinilar. I want to say though that
this is the first time a conference has been taken over completely by the
students. I think they have done a remarkuble job. I also think it would
effect the law and politics generally. Never before has a conference been
packed so interesting/und so impressively and I certainly do want to con-
gratulate them. We've had an interesting program and that is all I have to
scy. Thank you.
At this time I would like to present Paul
who will introduce our
opening speaker.
Paul
: Former Law Students and Guasts of Boalt Hall. In sitting at
this Institute on Law and Politics, it begins with "Consideration of the
Most Fundamental Concern of our Democracy - the Roll of the Citizen."
Our keynote speaker is
His condenic background centers
in Sociology and Economics, but rather than delay the proceedings, citing 2
long list of biographical statistics, suffices to mention that
in mass comunication, radio, the Armed Services, Labor Unions, and the
Nation Picture Industry, II. Rengno's memord has been one of outstanding public
service and citizenship and that is the subject upon which he is zoing to speak
to us today "In Citizen's Roll in Politics." He are honored to present such a
man with experience and integrity - Nr. Ronald Reason...
2.
Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman, Ladies and Contlemen. You know, I didn't
realize until I arrived here this alternoon that this is kind of a maiden
voyage. I really thought that this H13 a continuing type of thing and that
it was one of a series that had been going on and I was sitting in some place
along the line because of some changes that have occurred in my life pattern
and now I discover that I an lounching this thing. I could almost expect a
bottle of champagne over the brow and perhaps, before the day is over there
at least
will be scine who would/like to put up with half of that - the bottle, but
without the champagne. I consider it a very great honor to participate in
this group. of course, eay speaker, or anyone in this position, would have
a problem of trying to establish a counon meeting ground and in an effort to
do that I might point out that probably 7 profession has made more use of
and had more need of the legal prolession than almost any other unless we
possibly include the professional law breaker and unkindly there are some
people who would say "Yes, there isn't much difference, but we do have scae-
thing in common also. You aspire to a profession that, as you know, gossip
and talk, etc., and enchange in the man of the street 10 very often much
miligned and of course, I too have been a member of a profession that
suffers from that same thing. It was only a generation ago that the people
of my profession couldn't be buried in a churchyord and that has changed -
we can be buried now. As a matter of fact, the objerness of scale people to
perform that service gets us rightsous - but, I just 3:7 this to give you
hope you see that you too can look forward to the day when perhaps you can
prograss 23 to have and you too will brok in thereamath of your neighbor's
approval cal understanding. You, thate is a great rick, of course, in this
months, the risk of giving advice and you know that the best common I d12
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give you with regard to cdvice 13 a three line essay written by a small girl
in school and 1: was very brief but it contained that irrefutable feminine
logic that is 50 inforiorating in a family quarrel at home. She said -
"Socrates was a Greek, He traveled around giving free advice. They
poimoned him."
Politics, of course, which has now changed the pattern as I mentioned, and
become a very exciting and complex business with me, although I have a 7-yr.
old at home and he could simplify the whole business, He has been watching
Death Valley Days for a couple of years. He doesn't see viry we go to the
trouble of all this matter of having headquarters and going around the
States making speeches and being 8917. He just donsa't understand why I
can't 80 to Secremento and stand in the middle of the street and say "Pat,
one of us has got to be out of town by sunup." Now that might be an over-
simplification of the problem but perhaps we can over-complicate some of
our problems. I sometimes think that in our modern dialogue today NO are
a little like the author who comes to at very difficult plot problem in his
story and then discovers that the reason for the plot problem is because he
has based his story up to that point on a false premise. First, let's try
to cut through scze of the phonetics cod everyone, we have to recognize today,
comes complete with a hyphen - you area't just you - you're you with some kind
of a hyphen--15 you are a clargyman, of COURSE, you are a social-goopel clergyman-
and if
or you are a fundamentalist - clargyman,/you are ER accupnist you are a Kennyan-
Economist, or you are a and all of us, of course, are
pizeonholpd 23 Conservative - , Liberal -, of Ultra this or -,
act I think C we should/diseans these Irbels. To: emple, the
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4.
Chairesa of the Dinocratic Party in California, Mr. Costes, answered a
question the other day, and I think the question should be of interest to
law students and lagal minds, because 1: deals in that kind of wonderful
hocus-posus or double notver that seems to be so much a part of legality.
The question was "Now will your party deal with Extremist Groups" and Mr.
Coates said "Well, et this moment I know of no single group within the
Democratic Party that poses any particular kind of problem from the point-
of-view of Extramism. I'm quite certain that the Right Wing influence of
the Republican Party will be a major topic for most Democratic Candidates
for office but then comes the doublo-entendre, Na SEYS - (or double-talk -
I should say) - He anys "Ine strength of the Democratic Party is its
diversity and the Republicans will not become strong unless they learn to
accounodate diversity". Well, we're trying. Now, busically, today a Con-
servative could best be described as the Radienl of Revolutnionary Days,
and I think it is safe to say that those of the Liberal Philosophy today
Toty.
would have, in that era, been classified as the they. It sounds rather
strange but there bas been всше switch in sendates. Now, before we take
exception, let me point out, of course, that the Revolutionists, as wa know,
were Conservatives in the Edmund Burke concept, The reason philosophy di-
rected toward control the forces of change in such a vay as to conserve the
best elements of the past by blending them into an organic unity with the
new elements in an ever revolving society. But those Revilutionists were
Redicals and remarkably similar to today's sopealled Concervatives in that
they wanted 23 much as possible local rule, They wunted representation by
the people call they very definitely wanted restraint from the power of the
vicicate of do Contrel How the Terlen of cline day, of course,
wanted perpotulation of rule by the 21ng as I think it 10 safe to day that
today the Liberals want the strong Control Government. Indeed, sometimes it
5.
seems;that the only common denominator needed to win their support in any.
proposed legislation is the extent to which that legislation would empower
the Federal Covernment to take action. New, it is true that much of what
the so-called Liberal Philosophy wants is inspired by Humanitarianian and
I mean that honestly and sincerely.
This have a great concern for ester-
ial walfare and the lack of answers 30 for to many of the problems of age
and disease and poverty, the problems that have plagued mankind for so long.
And it has caused , of course, many of us to 80 out onto the thin ice of
the end justifying the need and you know there can be no law and order if we
ever enbark on a program of this mischievous tenets 30 deat to all the secular
heart of the Sovist,
Now, going to cake one last comment on Extremism. If the Liberal is
characterized by the belief inthe Federalisation of much of our Government
processing, I believe that it is a fair accumption, then wouldn't Liberalism,
if carried to Extremism,pass successfully through the planning and control of
the great society on into advance stages of modified Marxiso, as we see in the
Scandanavian Countries and in England under the Labore Government, to the ultra-
Extremism of the Soviet Union which I assume would be the ultimate in Left-
Wingisn. But now, if we go on that Foute, doesn't this also include the
Totalitarianisn of Hitler and Mussolini, much used as/periphic example of the
Far Right? Doedn't Ku Klus Klonomen, and many others of that line - wouldn't
they belong OVER there, because wouldn't they deny individuals freedom, under
law, using the Government to deny individuals on the basis of race, religion, or
National origin? And DCV, LE 52 go to the other side, the Conservation, and we
carry this to the point of Expremish, since It made the point that (and I don't
think a false cenat) the Connervative of today believes in inlividual freador
30
6.
bet
and a United power of Cot If you'd corry this to Extremism you
would 30 move and more into and ultimately to couplete Anarchy,
the complete of any 100 and order. How, unfortunntely, none of what
I just said Exts our confortable cliches about the Right-Wing, Left-Wing, or
even the Middle of the Road, In there 2 Laft or Right? I prefer to say and
think that it makes more souses to scy "There is DO such thing as a Left or
Right. There 13 only-on Up or Down". The up is toward the ultimate and indi-
vidual freedom consident with law and orier, or down toward the anthoap of
Potalitarianiss and no matter how noble or humane the notive. Those who would
trade Freedoa for Down fancied material security are embarked on a dewnward
path. I think the Fundding Fathers know this, These men were ordinary citi-
zens all, they were students of biotory, there were no politicians among them,
and they
created what I balive 13 ctill the newse and moot unique
experiment in the history of can's relation to may. And the declaration they
signed WAB unequivocal in that every man had inclienable rights, the life and
liberty and the freedom of choice conferred upon his, 23 they pointed out, at
birth by the Creator, and they sugmented this declaration by drawing up the
United States Constitution 273 the Bill of Rights, Well nov, sousuhere I think
a persorsion has taken place, Our rights are now
decreed by many to be a
disponsition of government and are made divisible by mojority rules. Now, a
majority vote 10 protty good for clainistering 0.18 affairs but only
1f it 1; controlled 7 a set of ground rules and high counding physics "cne non -
one vote" or "she grantest good for the grantest number". Annually, 16 they're
properly analyzed they 21330 50% of the people plus ONE 0.10 10 to Vistover they choose
CD the Mind of Y : scople 9A the that They Then and plan
majority rule :- 110.00 this rule. to had Ajority rule in
:-4 the Invo chase to document the and
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7,
informous path that it did, did not tiske morally right what they decided
was legally right Secause they were the majority. Well, this 1; the
unique heritage the all of us had in this country - one's right to life
and liberty, frandon of worship, to speak and do what I'm doing up here
and to assedble C3 you've assembled. These inalienable Cod-given rights
may not be submitted to a vote That 113 the purpose of the Bill of
Rightsthat forever put than beyond the reach of majority fule. Nov it would
be foolish to dary that our Country 13 split philosophically and very deeply
today with Government Control and Planning on one hand and more volunteers
into Self-Covernuent on the other. One side is prone to charge that the
other side, for the nost part, is engaging in a plot in which they are going
to use the Valtare State 23 a device to bring on Statism and Collectivism,
But the other side 13 just 33 sullty because they charge that opposition to
their dreams of Utopinnism should to translated 7 23 opposition to Human-
iterlan goal and for every charge, unwarrunted charge of hate that is lovelod
against someone because of the Liberal philosophy there is a real kind of
double
on the other side that makes some people cole, with a per-
feetly straight face, to stand up and any "How dure you infar scheone in a
Communist, you Fascist Charge" you I balleve the time has come though to recognize
that the majority of Americans want a solution tothe problems I have contioned
that plague 43, the age-old problems of poverty and misery, want and deprivation
and I believe that there is 5.13 thing Burn about the overwhalming majority today
that they will cottle for nothing loon. The area for general debite is "Now and
at What Rich to to traditional someepts of Freedom and Independence?" Now there
11 00 quarrel with the Scals of the granz society. I believe have this Americans
completely walted and the Couldry -/111 not 111 of these problem
but et which [vice LE the Creat Society cannot a: the $ .00 time requin a Free
for the poice to definitely ::0 14gh. I think 12 have deady some
abyt; 1: 0.00 traditional
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8.
Lowell Hison, a former Anti-Trust Law Inforcement Officer for the Federal
Trade Commission as written a book called "The Language of Decent" and in
this book be says "In this Country one sues a Growing Acceptance of the
thesis that Violation of the Recember Coursands of the State are More
Dangerous to our Material Valfare than Criminal Offenses and therefore
can be punished without due processing". It went on to say in this book
that "Today the Government has such complexity of lows and regularions
that they literally can bring a charge against any business concern upon
almost any kind of count that they choose. He tells, incidentally, in
this book, of a humorous moment in which he 503 addressing a Business Mea's
Convention and he made this statement and he said that they could get busi=
ness men either for restraint of trade 02 they could get them for not joining
in some practice such as violation of restraint of trade, and one man in the
audience interrupted and he said "You fools have sot me for both" and it was
true - they had him for both. Mason, trying to set out of this, said "Nell,
we'll probably find you guilty of one or the other" and the poor man said
"You have already found me guilty of both." The case was over. But, if you
question this assertion, that without due process can take place, whom of the
Farmer? The Farmer today, whose property can be searched without a warrant,
1f he is suspected not of violating a lov but of violating a regulation -
a regulation of the Department of Agriculture, and a fine - they call it a
penalty - but a fine can be assessed - imposed - without due process, and LE
the fine isn't paid the Government on salze his property, 23 they have done
in = number of cases, and sell it at auction. The 0232 of Mckert VS, Filburn
clouds the title of everything that 22 own, It V20 the decision that the Covern-
tent has the right to consuel what misiline : trilly you cin point 0 : :
that there 13 scue measure dMoubsidy in almost every fauct of our lives.
9.
There is enother rulies in that serie area "Agriculture? by the Supreme Court,
that the Covernment doos have the right to tell an American Citizen what he
can plant on 11: one land for his own use. Senatimes as Covernment spreads
out into arcas that are questionable 23 to whether it is
the results could be laughable 1f 1: didn't hurt so much. For example, right
now in Woshington there 13 a little debate soing on about a film that cost
some thousands of dollars, that W23 made by the Governments paid for by the
Government, but produced at Marcay'Srothers Studios. Now this film was an
expariment by the Government in subliminal, now what should I say, imposing
of an idea, or influencing the prople. This film is a kind of American
Travelogue, but running through it is a subtle threed that is never announced
and disclosed but a thread that vill stimulate ;the people to discover the
joys oz the use of gebacco, and the Government 13 going to put this film out
all over the World to stimulate the use of American Tobacco 23 an aid to the
Tobacco Grower. Now, that would be all right ansept the scme Government has
launched also an empensive program in Son Diego County as an experiment to
talk the people down there into not using tobacco because It is injurious.
And now the some Government 13 decanding that the Tobacco Companies put state-
meats on their pachages and their advertising that the use of tobacco is
injurious and it is the shae government that subsidices the growing of tobacco.
You can move over to the field of cotton and you will discover that we subsi-
dice price of cocton but then to mike it possible to call our surplus of
cotton abroad The nubsidite nai sall at a Lever price then in Amorica CO
Foreign of American Corboa. We sell 1t =0 100 that the Moreign
INSURED can dell 34: SAV and 1.1 America children the de imerican fracu-
of Cotton Costs :.) be one cell 10 1 lov price" Mrs din the of
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synthetic fibres sold "That about us? Now cotton represents unfair - they're
going to subsidide the manuful. students of eynthetic fibres. The part that hurts
is, when they got through with all the subsidining it all comes out of the same
pocket and you and I happen to be warring that pecket. Now, the Govermant says
that there are two million formers who must leave the soil because we have out-
grown the need for the family farm - we need only the large commercial farms,
but that is the sans government that says that any irrigated farm cannot
exceed 160 acree to alse and get irrigation witer. Well, anyway, the alternative
to the Creat Society is not 26 some might be inclined to believe that "Just
let them out Caka", I think the time has come for Citizens to demand of Govern-
ment a case study in 10 many of these areas where government 13, at great expense,
trying to solve these pubblems, a 0202 study first of all to make government
agencies and departments in such wile ranging fields 33 agriculture, as in walfare,
to establish once and for all That use the goals?" "What 1s the goal of Leach
agency and each program?" And than, I think the case study must continue and say:
"Is what we be doing advancing this goal?" "Is the money well spent?"
"Iз
welfare supposed to perpotunte poverty, to create a permanent goal, or is walfare
3
supposed to eliminate poverty and make people self-sustaining?"
Today in the midst of what is called "Unpressicated Prosperity" the Walfare load
is ten times bigger than it WAS in the depths of depression, which I experienced
first-hand and you thought 42 until nov I MRS a juvenile but I did Tenanber It
that
and know 1c. Our Housing Administrators in Wishington/toll UT now that in Public
Housing in the Mean of Walfare ve have corte to : thind generacion, that it his
grown up A third generation in a Family, colding it It: granted that this is a
way of life end this 1; that patcern of life and they will grou up and approvy and
HAVE
the
the
Day
the
the fats time 1.41 pan slave and the JAC X to ,of domes, that those
is
11.
programs were designed to rehabilitate people, to tide them over in an emergency
period.
Of course I'm not speaking of those people who njst, of necessity,
depend upon the rest of us because of physical disability, age, or whatever.
I think all or us are very proud of our ability to take care of those people
and provide, if possible, not only the necessities but some of the conforts, but
less have the men and women of goodw 11 in this country find out that- we are in
agreement on the goals and that we honestly seek a practical solution. And then
the Conservative in this dialogue has the responsibility to rule out of order
those spokesmen who would in truth settle for a kind of Inissez-Faire, no answer
at all, sell the postoffice, let the people build their own roads, wherever they
decided they wanted to put a road. But the Liberals, by the same token, must
recognize and walk sway from those who are using these problems as a device
to echieve some master plan for the running of and the planning of the destinies
of all mankind.
Now, there is no Intremist accusation and the idea that there are some people who
Just seem to want government for government's sake. An example, even on such a
level as the Governor of New Jersey, not too long ago, prior to the passage of
the Medicaire Bill - several of the Insurance Companies banded together 23 they
did in California, and it was approved, but they banded together in New Jersay and
they evolved by pooling their resources and their risks a low-cost health insurance
program for Senior Citizens and they required State permission to put it into
effect. They were denied such permission and in the denial the Governor of New
Jersey said Why, we couldn't let them do this. It would make it more difficult
for the Government to get its' Compulsory Program passed." Well, I suggest that
here someone is falling into the trap, not of looking
at the goal and the means
of schieving it but of just accepting the government for government's shine, which
must be the acceptable annwer.
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The place of the Citizen in Government is more than just a march in the polls,
pay his tex, and do precinct work in behalf of a clique of professional
politicians The Founding Fathers, 33 I say, were ordinary citizens and
they created a social and economic structure to be run by ordinary citizens
and we honestly believe that there is some intellectual elite available to us
that
that can take their place in the capital, either State of National, and/this
intellectual elite is capable, has the talent and ability to meet all the
multitudinous questions of our complex life, the everyday questions that come
up by the millions just in the field of the marketplace. As we increase in
numbers, I think the reverse is true, that a3 Society grows more complex, it
does not mean that we have to give up freedom and turn to this intellectual
elite and accept orders. I believe that, 83 it grows more complex, it becomes
more apparent that only the people have the capability of solving these prob-
lens, the problems of limited space, the problems of human understanding and
relations, the problems of the marketploce.
What fanfare greeted the announcement to compare with some other public rela-
tions announcements out of government? Sept.1964 when Ken Private Utility
Company banded together, or joined in a commercial undertaking, investing
ten and a half billion dollars of private capital, in a Power Project that
will produce two hundred million dollars in new payroll, that will produce
seventy-five million dollars In taxes and that will also produce three times
the power output of the entire TVA Couplex. How well known is It that toward
the end of World War II, when we were still fighting, one man, Jesse Jones,
in Washington, foresaw that there would be transandous pressure for Government
Planning in the grent transition from a Far to a Peace Economy? And he was
frightened and spurred on by some of the plans that to 507 on the be
drantingboard$ and he called in the Nation's business leaders and they voluntarily
13.
formed a program. 50,000 of the best type business men in America, through
2000 local committees, did the postwar planning and it is still a miracle
that isttrying to be explained today, that we made that transition with no great
dislocation and with almost complete employment at the time, and this was done
with no tax money changing hands, by private citizens serving voluntarily their
Government and their fellow-Citizens.
Several years ago a Federal employee was testifying before a Congressional hear-
ing on whether the Government should broaden a particular Welfare Program, and
toward the end of his lengthy process testimony, one of the Congressmen asked him,
"Would you be able to speak now on the other side of the question? On the other
possibility of solving this problem?" Rather puzzled, the man stopped and he
said "I don't know what you mean by the other side." Tell, I think this is all
too typical.
I have chosen to describe the Citizen's role today in politics as that of an
Active Participant in a Creative Society, with C overnment serving as an Agent
to mobilize the full creative energies of the people, to solve the problems which
in the last analysis only the people can solve, to let Government ask for the
Leaders of Industry, the Professions, Lenders from the Campus, how modern tech-
nology can be applied to the Community Life and to the Comunity Problems.
A fex years ago a National Magazine conducted a series of articles, even an article
including one by the President of the United States and other National Leaders, on
"What should be the National Purpose of the United States?" Well, many distinguished
men addressed themselves to this subject and curiously no great profundity, no
profound truth emerged from all of the writings. Now, i don't want to pose as
having scon the mealing I can run the circus but I have believed for some time that
ve have had a national purpose for almost 200 years, the implementing of the original
drug of the Founding Fathers that "Man Masthe Capacity for Self-Government," that
"Dy our success, all men and all nation) would be inspir $ to equlate this realination
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of Man's £30-011 dream to be an individual served by and not serving government.
I think this dreamined nonested 1a the Diclaration and was re-affirmed in they
Constitution and it in, I believe, the most limited and equitable concept that
has ever been evolved in D13 in the history of man's relation to men. To those
who would depart from it, I can do no better than quote Daniel Webster who, when
there was also balk of eroding the Constitution, said "Hold on to the Constitu-
tion of the United States and to the Republic for which it Stands." Miracles do
not cluster. What has happened once in six thousand years may never happen again.
Hold on to the Constitution for if the American Constitution shall fall there
will be Antirchy throughout the World.
Now, I understand, that for a limited period of time, proving that I must have
more narve than sensa, I nm at your book and call for questions, and I see a hand
already raised,
7
Quastion:
Reagan: You realize that I an a little puckared up here, realizing that I am
a layman, speaking in this stmosphere on a legal question and a legal problem.
Yes, I have a contrary view to the respportionment decision. The Constitution
was pretty emplicit that all a State had to do, or have, to win acceptance in a
Federation was have a Republic form of Government, and the Civil War, of course,
ruled out that any State could unilubarally break the contract once it had joined
the Federation. But I balieve that the Federal Government now his taken the
unileterally violating the contract. Now, this does not mean that T believe
that everything WSS Tody, and there ware no areas in which there could be better
and more equienble supresentation. Many of the States had violated the 18:1 of
She avery tea your Carous thing, but the suvere special : that book place - I think
Superia in thus 723 no: its' perpor produces. :: have a
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Government that is baced on a system of checks ane balances and there is
representation by people. But there W23 a recognition always that there
are some areas with problems peculiar to the area that will, just because
of their nature - apricultural areas - never have the equal in population of
the rest. So we had one house in our State that was apportioned on the basis
ofher than population. Now, of course, I see no reason or need for two
houses if they are both going to be based on population. This is not a
system of checks and balances at all and 30 I'm opposed to this.
I believe there was a reason for this other factor being evolved. It is going
to be pretty bad if ve turn over the running of the country, and this would be
true ina number of our great populace states, that from here on the Cities and
the great motropolitan complexes, simply by force of numbers, are going to be
able to rule and dictate on the basis of their Americants interests as against
the interests of those people who provide the foodstuffs. Wow - here:
Question: I have a question about what you called the individual's inalianable
God-given Rights - Do you feel then that the Supreme Court decision on permit
and varrant and government shall not distract the contestent? And the other
statement about the Supreme Court, for the last ten years, protecting the Rights
of the Individual - or are they opposed to Individual Rights?
Ragan: No, I thought I made it pretty clear that the decision that I question
is the decision in Baltimore some time ago about a Health Officer who tried to
invode a man's home, claiming that he wanted to inspect the premises for rats
and the man said "Gat a varrant CT you can't come in" and they took this case
all the way to the Supreme Court and the Suprome Court ruled "Well, in the area
where health night be involved, yes, an appointee or employee of the local govern-
meat can / Invoice a min's here without of without, which I think, perticularly view-
ing some of the rather corruptive city machines we have in this country, this
poses a considerable check, and the ones that I mentioned that had to do with
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the farms - I pointed out that where today, i£ you are suspected of murder,
they still have to get a warrant to come into your home after you but, if
they suspect you of planting a half acre of corn more than the regulation allows,
they don't need a search warrant - they just come in and measure it and slap a
fine on you end you'd better pay it or they'll sall the farm.
Question: My name 13 George Friar and I'm a guast here, as you are, but I
hope I'm not using my status as a guest to take permission to ask an unfriendly
question. I was interested in your proposition as to "Up and Down" and the way
and the way legislation should regard it, as to whether it would add more to
human freedom and make for better living? I would like to ask: "How would
you apply that to the Civil Rights Act of 1964? 11 I had something to do with
that Ingislation and have very firm views about it. I would like to know whether
you think that legislation added more or subtracted some from human freadom in
the United States?
Reagan: Well, I have been known, and I'm sure you are aware, to criticize the
Civil Rights Bill. I'm talking about that Civil Rights B111 that was passed,
on the basis that I thought it was not as well written as it could have been and
that there were, therefore, questionable areas as to constitutionality. I have
at all times also made plain that I am heart and soul and all my life have been
actively engaged in promoting the toal of that legislation and I believe the
great bitterness of today exists, and I regret very much that it has entered
into this area. I think, if I could try to explain it, what I believe is that
where the Constitutional Rights of a Citizen are violated for whatever reason,
race, relizion, or anything else, it is the responsibility of the government, at
the point of beyonet, 1 E necessary, to enforce those rights. On the other hand,
again, the ond justifying the I think . and this requires the greatest of
understanding between us, in those creas where people who are motivated by preju-
dice, which I think 13 an evil sickness,would - how hould I say it - Impose on
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other individuals, not their legal rights but simply display this prejudice
with the discomSerto and the inconveniences of others, who still are faced
with the soul-saurchipg task of making sure that we, in protecting rights,
do not establish 2 precedence and give Government some control over every-
one that can be some day used against us in order to insure some problems
or some segmence of our society. In other words, the greatness of America,
I think, is the right to be wrong. And even though we
it, I for
example, let me put it this way, I could not possibly and would not knowing-
1y patronize anyone, or any business, 02 anything that would discriminate
against anyone on the basis of projudice, or race, or religion but, by the
same token, I feel that I an duty bound to say that much as I deplore this
prejudice, much as I believe I have a responsibility to try and talk him
out of it, I cannot by law, tell lite that he can't fael that way,
Question from the floor re Interntace Counerce and the Public Accountations,
Reagan's
Answer: I have no quarrel with that Whatsoever.
there :3 a young Indy here and then I think I'll have to 30
Well now,/there and there and there - and I think I've got the most enger one.
regarding the Covernor being a member of the Board of Regents.
Question:
Reagen: Yes, I think that the Covernor, as a member of the Board of Regents,
has a little more than a responsibility just as a member of the board. I think
he must feel that he is speaking on bahalf of the electorate with 18 million
people. Nov, I know that I an probably going to lose a lot of you on this.
I an critical of one think in the handling. No. 1:- I advente more enonomy
for the local compuses of the State University System. : think 10 is ridiculous!
I know 32 have done 1 great daal in that regard and I hope we do more - I think
the
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some equal funting = the President of any large Privite University this, 1f
holding St..t jo, he is quilited to raite the disis! within to
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of course, of the pattern and the rules that are laid down by the Board of
Regentsm In that regard, also, I think the Board of Regents should rule
that the Faculty Committee deals in Assissic Problems and that the Adain-
istratives are in charge of Administration and 11 should be that way.
Oh - you were the gentlemen - Nan!
Question: When you montioned the "Cas Man Can Vote" position - I think
what that refers to 13 with regard to our dally lives
-etc.
What about the Watts area?
Reagan: It means through 2 package deal, I think. Well, I think there is
a very definite limit with regard to how much a student should have to say
in school, and I WAS one, I can remember very clearly. As a matter of fact,
I am going to confess souething to you, I was on a comittee that led a
strike in my college - against the administration - many years ago -
but I think that over all the administration of the University- certainly
that the students should have S
forum whereby they can express their
viewpoints but I think that the ultimate responsibility must lie with the men
who have been entrusted with the job, both men and women, of administering
the university and I do believe this there 13 some marit in suggesting that
while laarning, and while students, there is still screphing 20 be learned
in experience before you have too much of a voice in the administering of
a university.
Now, for the Watts area - in Los Angalas. Incidentity, this is - I could the
off with a prioty good pattern have : to that I mode by the Crantive lockety
Secause there is scrething very stirring going on there, The Matts avea 723
people
supently
from the deep Couth, I think several things notivities :: 15.1- I think
there Is illinoricy but I chink also 11'ts only
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that come from other countries to this country - They had come here many
times in their lack of education and knowledge, they come believing in a
lot of promises that the streets were paved with gold and that all their
problems vate going to be solved 11 they once got to Los Angeles and it
wasn't true, of course.Every morning they voke up and there was not a
bundle of goodies on the front powth and unfortunately they had come to
has
an area and a state that, because of deteriorating business climate well a
greater proportion of unemployment than any other State in the Union and
certainly much greater than the national average. So there was a diffi-
culty of jobs - they were not trained for the jobs that were available -
highly skilled jobs in industrial areas. I think there was something else
that went along with this. I think that a great deal of the animosity
toward the police had nothing to do with the police into our City as we
know then here but had to do with the inner-feeling that they brought
because S) many of then coning from the deep South bad: come from areas
where the Village Policeman or the Sheriff, particularly in the rural areas
was not a symbol of law and order. The was a symbol of oppression.
He was not someone, all too often, as we well know, that they could go to
for redress but he was the oppressor. And - when the thing kicked off
I think it W33 the result of a lot of flustration, including in It a cancel-
lation of premises that had been made, after they got to Los Angeles, in
connection with the Poverty Program, particularly a Youth phase of that
program, for Strucer Training that was conceled out, concelld out because
politicians couldn't agree on who should have the biggest hand in doling it
today
out and today the Chember of Corrette of Los Angeles, on organization
now of 200 huriness information and they TAME there indention :.) agree
that this TOTAL
their back,thut the giving 02 jobs Delorged to
business, not government and they civil into chis hous and again? in offite
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have
and they/hed cooperation with this government, because it does require the
cooperation, but they also have had the cooperation of a Fine committee of
responsible nages business G32 in providing the people and they found out, and
with all of the miclalemation going on, they boiled it down to 25,000 unem-
ployed in that area. Milf of thou, roughly, are unemployable by reasons of
illiteracy, disability, records, and daily social problems. There is not
one answer but 2 lot of answers and all of us together are going to have to
find the answer to this.
The other half Ere employable, particularly if given some on-the-job training
in modern technology and these business men set out to put those people to work
and to date the figure is half. It was only last August and [0 date they have
for
put more than 3,000 of those people to works 33 one-the-job training programs
in private industries. Now 3000 is almost the number of poverty program ed-
ministrators who are running up and down the street down there. So you can 3ea
how great the undertaking WBS. Now they have plans for expending this to the
entire magalopolis down there, on a permenent basis, and they believe they can
solve the problem of undaployment except for the unemployable and as I ₹-7 -
that is a social problem.
You are next - I'm trying to keep track.
Question: Re Proposition 14 -
Redgen: Vall nov you have given 03 a question I'a afraid to answer - not on a
basis of anyching to to with the parcicular proposition but I aust confeis that
at this priont, and I think chat I have 2 reasonable knowledge which I have
been acquiring regarding the structure of our State Covernment, but I don't
logal
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that is the particular procedure or the process but I know that it is before
the Court and I certuialy on sisting here waiting, and all of U3 are, to
abide by the Court's decision. Then I think It is the will of the people,
through the Legislature, as to what they want to do with regard to the Bill,
the Runford Act, which would than be back, I would assume, on the books, as
Law.
Question: With regard to Telfore -
You state that we should take care of those who really need help. How do
you propose to do this?
Reagan: Well, again the risk of over-simplification. Let ae divide Welfare
into two areas - - -There is the field of Welfare that cannot be denied, of
people who must depend upon us - who have no other way = people of disabili-
ties, etc. Now this is our Social Problem and I think it Fits well within
my philosophy that you and I can only give the Government those powers which
we as individuals possess. The Government has no other source of power and I
think that this 13 in preservation of our Pursuit of Happiness to make sure
that disposition is made. But, the other section of Welfare - this is what
I think is more of a temporary measure. Here are the people that we are
tiding over in an emergency period - or offering scue program of rehabilita-
tion so that they can get into the mainstrean of society and productive work
and empooyment and I think here we have let the philosophy of the one lap
over into this other. An example - the other day, I'm sure many people didn't
think it would happen in this Strue, wa discoveral when It vas brought up as
a case by the Retail Clecks Union that yes, a women could dear both Dicabili-
ty Compensation and Unemployment Insurance - so a words the injured her elbow
IF event .2 in 1 States 1: now dearding 1105
2. that as Disability Compunsation and Unexployment Insurance. And the other
day - a friend of nine I "may the pursonal examples $5 not good in discus-
ston or dibate, but I don't resist this one. This friend of the is 11 Code:
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skiier and he COME back from a Colorado Skiing Resort and was still kind of
wide-eyed and slep-javed because having cocktails after the afternoon of
skiing, he discovered that most 18 of the people that he was enjoying
himself with were drawing California Unsuployment Compensation, including
the ski instructors. Nov, in this area, where I say we provide even as much
as we can afford for luxuries or conforts for the disabled, in the other I
think that your sick philosophy must prevail. There DUST always be sond,
inducement for 2 person to get onto the payr311 and off of the dole and if
you make it too high, remembering that such things 33 unamployment Insurance
are tax free - you know, it is pretty easy. Well, I think this was a part of
the reason in the recent Bracero fiasco - we thought that here was a man who
could make 1 minimum wage of $70 per week in the field and be was drawing
compensation of $65 per week and it doesn't take = genius to figure out
that for 40-odd hours in the field, steeping over in the sun, in his mind, he
was not earning $70 - he was only earning the difference between that and the
$65 be could get for doing nothing - and I think this is the reason why these
things must be tightened up to the place where you and I who are paying this,
the working MED I mean, have a right to some rule that can apply the pressure
of the stick from behind to urge someone to get back on YU the productive pay-
roll.
Now I've been regleating you over here because that 11ght is in =7 way and
I haven't seen day hands - but I'IL statt here with this one, than back and
0782.
You say that you 3 id no quarrel with the Public Ausomodations
of Drincil Rights Note but yes you 511 Love difficulting with the
Vabing Rights Noto ---3-n you replain the 107 this,
S, I didn't intion the Votics Rights Act. 23 2
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if I have any criticism of the Voting Rights Act at all, it was only that in
my un-legalistic mind I always figured we had a Voting Rights Act, 1f the
Federal Government had over gone in and done what they should have done
and enforced it. Nov the Constitution dubscribes that States can have
tests 03 requirements for voting, but it alvo provides those must be equit-
ably, evenly administered, there cannot be a domble-standard, and you and I
know there his been a double-standard in 21 number of States. At the risk
of being extremaly 3 Partisan, I fual some justification in it, because
grew up and
now running for an Office as a Republican when I/spent all of my life ass
a Democrat until recently, I claim that back through the years perhaps one
of the things that has led the Federal Government to not doing more in many
Southern States than it could, to make sure that the Constitution was upheld,
W23 because in that one party South it was the bulwark and the backybae of
that the Democratic Party's power and they weren't - there was a limit as to
how for they would go to offend that one party South - that bulwark. But,
Bill
when the Voting Rights/first came along I said "But why - we've got one -
what are we waiting for - why haven't we been standing there right now and
ask then to vote both the same question and if neither can answer it, neither
one votes, and if they both can answer it, both vote. But I'll tell you, I
up to
bristle inside when! not too long ago, and this I couldn't unlerstand at all,
in one Southern State, and I was in that area, they went to the polls and voted
and each party in that particular state is allowed to put à slegan, 1f they
want to, up above the hundle on the voting machine and the democratic party
put their slegan up White supremacy" and in that area I never was She to
figure out how 00% of the negro community went in and pulled that handle dever-
In book, they all have Dear pulling 303 Rep Blicin handle.
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Back there - Yes -
Cuestion: W concern is with regard to your statement about Dole - The amount
of money people are getting off of welfore reduces their inclination to 80 out and
seck a paying job and then - you cited the farm county. Ny interpretation of the
farm county is that their wages are too lov. Would you care to deal with that
problem - perhaps in relation to unification, the problems in Delano and Bracero
problems?
Reagan: Well, now you are linking = couple of things together there that I don't
think I linked together. I didn't couple Welfare and the Faru Problems.
In
California there are about 324,000 permanent employees in farming counties and
this is augmented by about another 100,000 at the peak harvest season, 70,000
of which in the past, up until now, have been Braceros. Now, noone is going to
deny that in any area of society theme are people who take advantage and who
grip a little bit and chicel and that is why we have a Screen Actor's Guild
There were Producers that did that and I believe completely in Organized Labor
and the Right of Collective Bargainics - I couldn't have spent 20-cdd years as
& Board Member and an Officer of a Union if I didn't believe that, and I was in
charge, throughout those years, of Contract Negotiations with the Producers.
We don't have any Jimmy Hoffas - we do it ourselves. When we get mad and shake
our fists, and pound the table, we're shiking our Fists at the fellows va work
for on the other side of the table.
I had some serious questions though in the forning county about - and some
opposition to imposing industrial type unionlaction on the form worker and on
the father because it stands to reason there can be no legicimate collective
bargaining if a man has the power to stand there on the ave of the ripening
of the crop and they any "I's on strike. The other Sellow hasn't got much to
bargain with, to holded 11.0 may problem of this Mill would have to be
bolt lan! 1 crizicier of what is golls on in Dalano 1: that this 10 not :
it 1,00 then the 100000 brief union. This is not opendations thing in
the pubple buiting 11 :: Shall.s. This 1: the aflict in the yes of
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professional labor organizers to impose an industrial union on them re-
gardless of their will or willingness to have it and this is an acute
problem. I believe that you can also flnd for every low paying job in
the farm community - and you can point to some Braceros that manage to
put themselves through law school on their Summer earnings in this
Country. I know one man, a one-crued man, who is in the field and doing
piece
work and had worked his rate up to $27.50 a day and he
said 'What's wrong with this? This is great!" The mininum wage was
$1.40 for California and the Government set it at $1.15 in the rest of
the Nation. The average minimum wage paid by California Farming has
been $1.33 up until this last year and tie average wage in the rest of
the country was a little less than 95% so the California Farmer has not
only had to overcome this but he has had to overcome the fact that
freight rates in shipping to an Eastern Market to remain competitive
with farmers closer to the market and at a lower labor rate and he has
done a pretty good job because today 98% of California's farming is not
regulated or subsidized by the Federal Government and we provide half the
table vegetables and fruits for the entire United States and 70% of all the
tomatoes that go into the cans and bottles.
Now, I'll recognize the gentleman here and then back there and then I'll
come back to the middle section.
Question: You mentioned
the increase of our Govern-
ment Power which, in recent researches, as connected with Federal, was
endungered. I wonder whether the same danger does not exist with increased
power of private institutions? We'd like you to address yourself to the
controverty read by IS, William Behnett 23 to the assertion by the PT--
of the right to arbitrate
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Reagan:Well, I don't knew that I have enough information and knowledge on
that last part to remark on that specifically but I can make it very plain
where I stand with regard to powers. I felt this way when I was a Democrat
and I feel this way now as a Rapublican, that whether it comes from the
Right, the Left, or the Middle, whether it is from business, from labor,
or from Government, anything that imposes monopolistic control, or Imposes
unfairly on the rights of the individual is tyranny and must be opposed.
Now, I believe that prior to 1929, to the crash, that business in this
Country, because organized labor did not have its present strength, that
business had imposed unjustly and had more or less monopolismtic controls
in many areas, on the people and on the economy and it was right that this
should be overthrown. But, I think what has happened since is that the
medicine of the New Deal which I approved and supported when my first
vote was cast for Roosevelt, that this medicine was applied to a sick
patient and medicine was applied to help labor get up to where it could
bargain on more even terms with management but incidentally, I will call
what
to your attention that/Franklin Delano Roosevelt's premise often stated
was that he believed that this was only Government function to get them
to a place where they could fight on equal terms and then Government stood
back as a Referee and was not a Participant. But I say that today there
are people who have come from that same era who are continuing to apply
the medicine and the patient is well but they just like the medicine again
for the medicine's sake and today we have the danger of the same kind of
monopic listic imposition on the people of the combine of
labor and government that we once had from management of business and the
thing that is is not who is dains it but the they are doing -
monopoly is wrong and therefore, I think the pendulun has core to a point
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where it =job swing the other way. I don't care who makes me unfree - I
don't want to be unfree.
Now back there - then there - and then there.
Question: I'm sure that any of us would agree that it is bad. I was
wondering 1f the solution for this iss't for the President of the United
States or perhaps a Congress
to step forward and organize things and
make sure that the taxpayers money is not vasted in cost services - in
other words, centralization.
Reagan:, Yes, I agree completely. It is the answer and this is what I
mean by Creative Society - that the answer cannot come with Administrative
edicts handed do A by saying This is wrong. Cancel it out." The time has
come to turn to the best brains in these various areas and to form councils
of those to come back with propesals and plans as to how the problems have
brought about, these programs CBD be solved, if these problems still exist,
and at the same time how we can get back to this kind of a footing
I realize that I have probably been confusing in the trying to just pick out
some examples of what I meant, that this has led to some of you ranking them
together and thinking I was trying to tack then together, and I was - I hope
you realize - just trying to establish 1 principle and pointing out some
glaring examples of why I felt there was a need for this imposition of this
principle. When we get into
of just the Congress and the President,
what I think is needed again is a similar thing :0 the Hoover Commission
some years ago that was appointed by Presidents of both Mministrations to
research and study for a complete re-organization of the Federal Government.
You know they found out - LE you ever what to have come Lought - it is like
2. codic book to rand some of the things they found - 15ke the Federal Govasa-
ment ums chree typensibavo for every employee that uses one = bacause they
have no buying system They've got no on the to avail-
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Then they find that the Navy is selling sun-glasses as a surplus, at
$1.25 and the Army is buying them new for $5.00. There were millions
of these cases - but now I'll recognize this gentleman and then one over
here in the back, and they tell we that's all I've got time for.
Question:
What would your position be pertaining to
Viet Nam Day on this Campus and others?
Reagan: All I can pay is that the answer to that should be very simple.
I think it is confused again. In show business 1t has always been known.
that when you file in to the old tried and true principals like stealing
the audience's emotions, you get in trouble and you get into trouble when
you tell at lie.. And I think sometimes that here again we are on a large
scale, are saying that the President has called a Har and yet we have
neglected the legal processes provided by the Constitution for what takes
place once you commit men to combat, 30 that legally we are in kind of an
untenable position. I think it is as simple as ruling that a division has
to be made on this basis. Of course, we have freedom of speech and of
course, we have the freedom of people to make their feelings known andsto
protest the policy of government. But once you have committed some young
men to fight and die, then freedom of speech must step short of lending
confort and aid to the enemy. We have a responsibility, everyone, to do
whatever is necessary to lessen their chances of dying and to insure their
chances EXEX or help them to complete their mission and return home as
quickly 23 possible.
Now, there is a hand there - and maybe I can sheak another one in on him
before he run) no out.
lying
Question: If they are fighting for that free sperch, what good is the Var
in Viet Nan and what is it all about?
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Reagan: Did I not say "I do not dispute their right"- I said "When the
implementation of that Free Speech passes a certain point that it now makes
it easier for them to die, or get killed, then you have passed the point
but, up to that point, they have a right to demonstrate, they have a right
to speak, they have a right to protest - noone denies this, but I think
when it reaches the point of vishts interfering with the shipment of supplies
and ammunitions, when this reaches the point of interfering with the sending
of replacements or re-inforcements, you have now gone over the point to where
you are lending aid and comfort to the enemy and there is a very blunt word
that describes what that is. if Now, let me also say one other thing - You are
now only fighting, of course, for all the freedoms that we want and that we
believe in in this Country but I believe that there is one fundamental basic
btenet of government that cannot be denied and that is the only excuse the
government has for even existing is the willingness of the people banded to-
gether in a society to pledge their collective strength to defend the rights
of even the least individual among us. This is why I am questinable and
challenge a national policy that will pretend its a Peace in one place and
say it is all right as long as the War is below a certain size and I say that
as soon as one Amedican is put in a position where he must fight and die,
then we must recognize we are in a position where collectively the United States
has now agreed, by that responsibility of collective action, that we are all on
one side. - - Cne more question - -
Question: What about the controversies surrounding the Watts riot? I'm
interes a your reaction to the Attorney General's request that the organ-
ination
Reagen: Tell now, : have no vay of knowing whit is Attorney General
based his findings on but I believe there has been certain responsibility in the
government in the past on the organization -
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CREATIVE OPTORTUNITIES FOR GOVERNMENT
AND DUSCRESS
I have been protesting the grouth of government for a number of years,
expressing the Consern 1000 the portanent structure of government will
become so trite and complex 23 to bacane unmanazeable. This concern is
not unfounded. There 13 a door
with the inscription
The tempsyer who has the courage to open the door will find himself in the
broom closet. In addition, there 13 e 20-man Pentagon Unit still function-
ing in that couplex honse, whose title has more words than the staff has
#
numbers?INPUT PREPARATION SECTION 07 THE REPORTS PREPARATION BRANCH OF THE
OPERATIONS DIVISION C3 THE ARMY INFORMATION STATE SYSTEM COMMUND OF THE
OFFICE OF THE ARMY CHIEF 07 STAFF."
Knowing Washington tension for reducing such agencies to initials, then
coining abbreviated titles like NATO or SAC gives one cause to wonder
how some proud wife is going to get on the phone and tell an old school
chun the title of where her husband works. I realize the subject is con-
troversial but today one political pirty controls the White House, the
entire Executive Branch, a two-thirds majority in both Houses has appoin-
ted the majority of the Suprome Court Justice and controls more then 60%
of the Nation's government. The philosophy, the Indepechip of that party,
londs toward Controlization 01 Authority in the National Covernment, with
the ways 01 dencept 1n local authority in individual Fields,
Texts 1115 AND
into
are 11ke : fillow 1.1 a lark checked 0072 "Wish is : Cord GUL?"
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the
goal, or any doubt as to its ability to achieve those goals,
I do deny that it offers the only, or the best solution for the age old
problembbesetting mankind.
If the great society cannot also be a free
one, the price is too high. Already we have seen an unprecedented Federal-
ization of our American life. Therein lies implementation. In 1878
, specking of the Unitid States and
said "I do not dread industrial corporation and its difference in powers
to destroy this country but there is one corporation we may all dread -
that corporation is the Federal Government. If this great subitious ever-
growing corporation becomes oppressive, who shallcheck it? If it becomes
unjust, who shall trust? Watch it guard with sleepless dread that corpora-
tion which can make all property and the rights of all States and People,
all Liberty and Hope its plaything in an hour, its victims forever. If it
grows oppressive, in recent weeks we have seen the Covernment drop her blood
from the military stockpile to force the market price down, use the antă-trust
laws, the harrassing power of the Internal Revenue Service, Defense Spending,
and the threat of Withholding that Spending, and even the threat of withdraw-
ing Federally-cuned Electric Power, to punish Business Men for meeting
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increased production costs with an increase in price. It has happened in
Copper, Steel, and Aluminum, The Press described one business nan hs heart-
sick and dejected when he said "This is no longer a free, competitive economy"
and the great ambitions corporation continues to grew. In the free Enterprise
System we have multiplied the gross National Product 33 times over since the
turn of this Century. In that same period of time, the Federal Government has
multiplied its size 234 times and now assaults on private initiative are on the
buranussable drawing board in this or : of insteat Ingislation, An Official of
the Department of Hailth, Education and Welfare has said "I'a telling people
here to plan big. The Under Secretary of Labor, nc a meeting of State Employment
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State
Service said that A31/Unes Lines are being ulped out, as far as the Department
of Labor is concerned.
The United States Director of Employment, whose
four million dollar budget during the depths of the depression has grown to
two hundred million dollars a year in this era of prosperity, amounces the
goal is to make his service the mapover agency for the entire Nation. Indeed,
a Congressman from a nearby State aid introduce a bill to outley Private Employ-
ment Agencies. The Ways and Means Committee of Congress has before it Lyislation
which would authorize a Federal Takeover of Unemployment Insurance, on the
pretense that the State has failed in this Social Walfare Program. Well, they
State
can't mean my State, The California/Deportment of Welfare has issued a
pemphlet and on Page 17 it explains the Social Philosophy of this administra-
tions It seys "Unomployment Insurance should be increased 50 substantially
he did
that for a time a man thrown out of a job would receive more than/while on the
job to compensate for the pain of having to look for work."
Corgress has before it Legislation which would give Government the Power to lay
down the rules, the shape, the size, and the printing on all packages. It would
authorize the Office of Consumers to investigate the production capacity, the
distribution system, the quality and degree of customer satiofaction, with the
power to demand the businessmen annual and special reports. Alrendy it is
estimated that the business can spends 353 of his working time filling out
Government paper work. Are you in the Insurance Pusiness? A Federally subsi-
dized Disaster Insurance Program is before Congress, which would provide 22,500.00
for Residential Danage, $75,000.00 for Business Direge, and the insured wouldn't
P-J cas ponny of: promium. A the United Planning Agency for the Poverty
Pregram, has opened offices in several cities, providing free logal service by
a State of Community for phople with taxe home 2-7 of P to $100 per week.
Nothing has esceped the eye-of the plinnor, American communities maintain more
4.
than 1400 Symphony Orderstros. This 15 core then the entire rest of the
world put together. To have more this 5000 culteur community theatrys, acoits
are a two billion dollar a year business, but the Government has decided we
are a Desert Land with regard to culture, the 30 to have a Culture Carr,
empowered to spend millions, toning "? the cultural side of our lives,
Some of our newly drafted G In haveledeyt this winter in tents because we
dollar
can't spend the meany for housing but Mari, Florida gate a 9½ million/cultural
center. The DEW Secuetary of Urban Affairs esys "In the beginning, the Govern-
ment gave the people the use of the land in order to seed and develop it."
Now, I didn't learn history that way. I thought we were here on the land and
we created a government. Now, however, he says "The Goal of the Government
is to regain complete control of the use of the load." Thirty-nine Government
Agencies are buying up land under = variety of programs for a Covernment that
already owns a third of the real estate in this Nazion.
The latest 10 the Agency for Outdoor Returation, Using the Population Emplo-
sion as their Excuses. We are told that very chartly there won't be adaquate
space outdoors for us to find recreational spece. How immement 13 this exer-
gency? Well, at the means, more than 50% of our population are living on
lass than 2% of the land, That your State of Michigra, Wisconsin, Minnesota,
then add in Connecticut, Massachusetts, New Hompohive, Rhode Island, Various,
Delevare, Maryland, Note Screey, New York, Pennsylvenia, and West Virginia, You
will still be 2); million neves short of the lind nov evail by Government,
Counties, States and Frieral, onl docignote 1: for outdoor recumbion.
That 30.13 Agency, incidentably, worked out a 104 2000 book to make onze chur
you and I will know box to enjoy ourselves outdoors. It's Pull oCyrolunities -
1:
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For example, your compated should have a drinking Foundain, and the drinking
level should be 10 - height that.ds convenient for the person using the
fountain. There :- an exciting chapter on vildlife, insects crewling into
the sare of which semetimes create painful conditions. Well,
I have news for them - It's no fin when it happens indoors. But, wait "til
you hear this 1000 on wildlife - If your recreation area has a bathhouse in-
tended for the use of both men and wour, it should be divided into two parts
by a tight particion." Nov, you know we would never have thought of that by
ourselves.
We have a window on what happens when Government 8003 bayond its legitimate
function. For note then thirty years OUZ Government has sought to regulate
and control the forming aconecy. Born of the Depression, the program was
originally intended to Dave the famor from the result of producing a crop
surplus. So - the Government met the problem by guarantacing a market for
such a surplus. For every dollar The were spending on that program in 1048
we are now spending $25.00. The result - three million fawer farmers, but
for those remaining, a debt in relation to net incoue higher then 1: VAS
even on the eve of the '23 crush, and the father today, with the highest
food prices In history, receives the lowest perdenenza of mirket brisket
dollars he has evez received. The Government says two millions more formers
must leave the soil and move to the City. An ananymous quastion remains
underwored, to dealdos which two million? The 2002 Guardment that
WO only neal a million large conteral Chicago is the Covernment that violites
3 30-yr oll and tollo the 11 Cillismiti's di Luperial Villey
that they must soll 658 their 15al not refuse to 160 : 3:30 00 there will
Ith
in
poll :11 in 2 Follywood Stillo expendes I: is to be discributed
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Worldwide and while 1: extensively is a kind of Travelogue, it contains
subliminal advertising. The aim of the film 13, without the viewer realizing
it, to promote the use of tobacco, the enjoyment of tobacco, in the mind of
the-use-of the viewer. That same Government has an equally expensive exper-
iment going on in San Diego County, trying to convince the people they should
cut down on the use of tobacco. The Government advocates a warning on
packages and in advertising of tobacco products, designating tobacco as
detrimental to health but the same Government subsidizes the growing of
tobacco and it just pressures the manufacturers out of a price increase.
An air of permanance has begun to settle around the idea of Federal interfer-
in
ence that wages and prices. A Senator introduced a bill proposing the crea-
tion of a Faderal Price and Wage Review Board. A Congreseman would empower
the Congressional Joint Economic Committee to review proposed price increases
and Company Officers, under this bill, could be suppoened 3 forced to bring
in the books, confidential correspondence, and other records. This is advanced
as a program to ward off inflation but no meaningful action is taken by the real
cause of inflation, the Government, to bring us back from the edge of what may
turn out to be a dark future. Instead, to are told that gradual inflation*
is good for us, that only by ereding the purchasing power of the dollar 140 to
2c per yarr can we maintain prosperity. They say there is no cause for worry
as long 23 wages and income keep pace, no worry, unless we are stupid enough to
ask what happens when VO retire on that fixed income, that pension, or insurance,
or Social Security, which cannot keep pace with inflation. In the last 20 years
inflation alone has ercded the value of our savings by 190 billion dollars
Lord Maynard Keen said "Inflation 13 a mighty box gatheror." OZ course,
pashaps could take subititation for *** inflation bus done for our 230.
We've all grown up in those-goons years of emphasis on science, accepting that
the checicals of the which make up our boding are actually, 1f Inid out
7.
on a scale, worth 98% Nov, Montanao Chemicals says that 98;, due to infla-
tion, would weigh out at $800.00 worth. Well, I'd just as soon have my
chemistry back at 98 ç and the $300 in my pocket. Inflation is no longer a
threat - 1t's 3 problem. Today American business mon are asked to forsake
their traditional role of trading in the Horld Market Places, a stop-gap
measure to hold the outflow of gold but again Government refuses to take the
check which can solve the problem.
I remember 03 a kid when we used to put pennies on the car tracks and let the
streetcars flatton than out for us. Now the Great Society is doing it and
selling then for a quarter. The United States Citizen is already denied the
right to hold gold and now be will no longer know the ring of silver as he
jinzles the coins in his pocket. Wa're to have imitation money, The Covern-
ment reaches something of a new bigh in absurdity when, in announcing this
initation money, It said "His have nothing to foar. The Government stands
behind this money and will exchauge 1: any time for paper. Lowell Mason,
former Anti-Trust Enforcement Officer, in his book "The Language of Decent"
says "In this Country one sees the growing acceptance of the thesis that
Violation of the Economic Commands of the State are core dangerous to our
(
material walfare than Crimical
and therefore, can be punished
without due process. " In this package be acknowledges that Covernments don't
produce Freeden. People have to take Freedon from Government and continually
struggle to keep it. It is becoming clear that Big Government is not only'
inscreptent to doliver many of its promises but adat Pesort to force and
costaion under the guise of helping the people.
State: "The Doctrice of Regulation, Logiclation by Inster Minds in whose
and till All may pladly and quintly has been
too gloringly apportant In athington. Were it possiblento Had Master Minds
so. unselfich, do willing to ducide unhisitatingly systest their on personal
8.
incerests, such a Covernment right by to the interest of the Country but
there are on the political horizon." New, what meanderthul man
of the MaKinlay 301 spoke thjoe words? Fell, those were the words of
Franklin Deluno Receivelt.
We are running out of time. One out of six of the National work force is
a Government Employee. Where is the bronking-point? When it reachea one
out of five, one out of four, or three? How many of us does It take to
provide the full balary and the frings benefits for another employee?
We're told that every family below 3 $3000 a year intome is Poverty Stricken
but each facily's share of the tax is $3300. The tots takes 37c home out of
every dollar chaned and yet we haven't balanced our budget in 29 of the
last -35 years And another deficit will be amounced on the scaing June 30th.
What 1s the altermative?Sell the PostofFice? Cancel the Highway Program?
Return to complete Volunteerism, with => Government involvement at all?
Perhaps there are тола Purists who would recommend such a Course but there
is a far more sensible third alternative to either the Great Society, or
such complete laisses-daire. Have ve forgotten our ctra obilities, our.
At
past accomplishrents?/the end of World Maz I, Budglin Raliaf saved millions
of lives. It WAS a foreign aid program that WAS, for the most part, the
voluntary affort on the past of the Citizens, aided and guided by Coverament.
At the end of World Mar II the Sacrobery of Commerce, Jesse Jonas, alarmed
by the plans that be JUN on the docting board In Wishington
and realizing there would be transities proceure for Covernment Control of
the transition Ivon The to Date, dallil 17 the business londers
and be challengel them to accept and evolve S plun. Top Corporation landers
JOHNS.
noting
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through 2000 local committees, did the post-was planning. The profits of.
economic doos turned out to be wrong. The massive transition from a war
economy to pence WAS suided by on independent effort because one man knew
that America's human resources are for granter than the Power of Government.
For two hundred years this country has been fighting the most successful
War on Poverty in the recorded history of sen. The West would still put
out Area Radevelopment. Cities wate built, dectroyed by fire or floods,
and rebuilt wityout becoming Federal Disaster Areas and without Urban Re-
newal. If there were men in Government capable of running the Nation's
business better than it is now being run, you would long since have hired
them away from Covernment. Those who place their faith in Covernment
Planning would ppoint to the present prosperity as proof that Government
intervention in these recent decodes has been holpful to business. UIt
10 no such thing. It is only proof of the great virility of the Free
Interprize System that it has been able to survive, the nit-picking, the
harrasoment, the meaningless regulations, and the regretted taxation, but
it is not a virility than can survive forever. Even the Giant Gulliver $
was eventually rendered helpless by the pignies of Lilliout Swhen he
dove and when, without suddenly applying chains or shackles the pigmies
simply laid threed after throud after thread over his dozing body until
finally the last thread that W23 added had readered his helpless.
First, let US recognize that additional purchasing power and hence pros-
parity, is not created by re-dictribucing burnings on hand but by increasing
production. One of the beals ITEMS of economics not guarantant to help any-
one in an Biglish clits, but definitely the basis of all commonica, 1s the
tie's 13 from With." 201, receive the
5.11 of the 10 have guaranted the DIC univequitable
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Government ever known to men, the Constitution, keeping in nind that the
very purpose of the Bill of Rights VS3 to forever put our right to control
our own destiny beyond the resch of majority rule. Then, let u3 recognize
there is a legitimate area for Government cooperation, but Government works
best when kept close to the people, Influential political minds in Washington
would eliminate State Soverignity as outmoded and they would make the States
administrative districtsof 33 all-powerful contral Government.
Well, our historic States Rights are a built-in guarantee of freedom, as
long as the Citizen can vote with his feet - as long as be is free to move
across the border a State is restruined from becoming Tyrranical. A few years
ago the people in the State of Mehigan, faced with a determiorating business
climate and an increasing exodus of industry, did something about it. Every
problem that besets us, from dropouts to disease, from job re-training to
student loans, 13 being solved somewhere by some group of citizens at this
moment.
We need an intercommunication system between us and then an early warning
system, a way of anticipating the public problems of th3 future. Yes, there
is a roll for Government, particularly in the Locan and State level, not as
a substitute for the people, but as a leader in the development of a creative
society, mobilizing the full resources of the people. There are 18,000 organ-
instions like yours, 6400 private foundations worth 03 fliteen billion dollars,
three hundred and twenty thousand churches, che hundred thousand groups like
The United Funds. Here is more talent this Covernment can possibly match.
Enre is the power to fight a thousand Vara on Poverty. This 10 as retroat
into the past. This le taking the 12 one) : and bringing it forth to
the Tranting Century Edal. Relve hil enough of United Century Bule
Philosophy, with its Pule of the Many by the 2011, even if we protend this
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as well 83 for the people. Is your problem Needy Students? New about
expanding the United Student Ecan Fund, a private Voluntary Program,
underwriting Bank Loans for Students, Slum Clearance, how is U.S. Cypsum
doing with its million Collar investment in a Harlen Slum, an experiment
in rehabilitation? A Negro group on Long Island bought and remodeled
a run-down hospital and DOB can provide training, jobs, and hospital beds.
How many Cities could innux profit by learning your own step program?
We stand on the only island of freedom laft inche World - there is no place
to run - we make our stand hare, If we fail, we face telling our children
and our children's children what in 1: was we found more preclous than
freedom. I'm sure they 11wousk ask. Thank you.
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March 30, 1966
ORNIGE COUNTY
After. OUT Candidate has finished speaking, he will be glad to answer any. of
the questions you care to ask him?
Mr. Reagen - -
Reagen:
I'm going to take advantage of this 30 I've been standing up most of the day
doing this. I started out early this morning - I hear somebody dropped a pin
right back there. Now, I know that 11 is not polite to talk with something
in your mouth but maybe if I request your sympathy by telling you how long
it could 80 boday if I tell you what is in my mouth right now is a throat
lozenge so 15 you'll let me go ahead and try to talk around it, pretty soon
it will be dissolved and quit rattling. Let me just set the stagebedause I
think that if there is any meat to this it would be in questions and answers
but let me make a few remarks first - general philosophy - I have bad the
pleasure of speaking to your group before, 23 you know, and at that time you
were pretty safe in getting a Set out of me that I would never be - while
I looked forward to being back with you, I'd never be back in this capacity.
But things change and here I an! You know there is a big controversy and
I suppose many opinions here in this room and T think it is something that
America can't afford too well that is going on and that is a kind of philos-
sophical split and a difference of opinion that has been roughly classified
into the Liberal VS. the Conservative side. But, in reality, what it comes
down to is the question of solving the problems that have beset minkind for
a great many years and which I think we have come closer to colving in this
have
country under our citizens than anyone ever has, I/uced the expression before
but we have, in this country for : couple of hundred years, fought the most
successful VIJ on poverty that the world has ever 0332 and I souetimes worry
that W2 have 1ab1el outsolves and split ourselves to the place where 32 DO
give
100, other, in 1.00 11 credit 122 hering Josunt notives the
I think It 13 side to DAY, for entryle, that on th side there
bes come 00 :- 2 creat suspletion of the so-cullel Maral and these of or
who Sandy ourselves on that side are prone CO su =: the mother,
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that even in the attempt to cure some problem of age, poverty, or unemploy-
ment, that it really is only a stap in a plot of conspiracy leading to some-
thing else. But by the same token, the Liberal, all too often, has been
pretty guilty of just blanket indicting everyone who disagreed with his
solution to the problem as being opposed to the humanitarian goal. I think
it is high time that people of goodwill got together in this country and sat
down and discovered that we all can think and share the desire to solvè the
problem, that noone is opposed to the humanitarian purpose. I, for example,
would say "I believe in the humanitarian purpose to the great society and I
have no question in my mind but what the great society can solve the problem,
if it can be solved, but I will also tell you that I don't think we're going
to like the price we have to pay in loss of freedom, exchange of our tradi-
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tional structure but now, isn't it possible that we can sit down and if
people like myself are wrong then we can be shown that we are wrong and if
the people who advocate the great society are completely confident of its
ability to do the job and do it without a loss of freedom 3 shouldn they
defend
be fearless and willing to explain their position and explain why it will
work? In other words, if they are wrong they can't afford to take the atti-
tude they have taken but if they are N right, or they have nothing to fear,
there is no need to get upset about opposition. Well, anyway, this is
getting down, by way of introduction, to my own philosophy - believing that
I
these problemsskean and will be solved - ::3 believe that there is one thing
that is consistent with the American people today. I believe that the
American people have made up their minds throughout this country that these
problem 13 must be solved. I think the Amorican puople are not going to be
tolerant cap longer of getting by and knowing that section) of the popula-
tion are going to be miserable, or denied some of the good things in life.
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So they want a solution and they are not going to hold still for anyone
who simply opposes what has been proposed without bring up something else
as an alternative. My own alternative that I suggested very briefly, and
I'll be going into more dotail on it 33 time goes on in the coming weeks -
my solution I have chosen to call "The Creative Society" and beginning at
a State level, because that is what we are talking about, I believe that
every one of the problems that I have mentioned to you are the problems
that beset us , is being solved some place in this country today by some
group of citizens. What we maybe need is an intercommunication system and
an early warning system to know when the problems are going to come due.
Now, we know for example that the Federal Government is concerned and de-
bating about hundreds of millions of dollars in money to be loaned to
college students, needy students, with college loans to be repaid after
graduation, with low interest.
How many people know that today there are some 65,000 students cn 700 and
some campuses, going to school on loans from banks, totalling more than
35 million dollars and all of this was the result of one man who went to
the private bank and said "Way don't you lend money to students and let
them pay it back after they get out of school?" The banks understandably™
pointed out the the money they could lend i3 depositors money - they need
a little security - so this same man started out with his idea and has
gotten literally thousands of people in this country to underwrite the
loans that the banks make to the students. They have almost 100% record
of success in the reclaiming and repayment of the loins.
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This is called the United Student Loan Fund. They believe they can expend
this to 3 OKR of 500 alllion dollars and the government won't be Involved
an all. It will be a legitimate business deal between the individual
student and the bank where he borroved the шодеу.
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Now, there are any number of these solutions to problems.
Portland,
Oregon
on
had a drop-out program - they had been working/for years, again with alcost
100% success. The kido that they slivaged and had started in careers have
also done something that was never envisioned when they started the program
So grateful are they for having been salvaged that they have contributed
back to the program almost every cent that was spent on their sallaging so
that the prog ran can continue.
Now the quarrel with many of us who oppose government so close to the problem
centers on this, that when government evolved a drop-out program, they didn't
go to Oregon and say "What can we do to help? Is there something we can do
to prevent it?" No, they 'vedone their best to put Portland's program out of
business because now they say it is the Government's job. Sometimes you
wonder if people aren't doing things in Government just for the sake of
Government. Well, my creative society idea is based on the belief that 12 the
State Administration of California would accept the fact that there is more
talent and ability among the 19 million Californians than Government can possi-
bly muster, it just stands to reason - You and I know that no matter bow care-
fully you appoint, or hire through Civil Service, or Elect, Government cannot
possibly match the craative ability of the sun total of all the puople of the
take in
State, 30 instead of an Administrative edict being handed the
problem of unemployment now in our own State, let the State govern it. Take
from
a can in this State,/in the Industrial Community, and tell him to pick the
best brains he can and tell than to sit down a3 a Commission of a Counittee,
at no State expense, and for them to come to State's Government with a program
they have evolved as to what the State can do and Industry can do
cooperation to the business alimate and naise an emample for industry
to make 15 attractive for them to expand, and then, to the 11:15 of the State's
ability, dooperate in reseving noodless harrasseent 2: paper work and regulations,
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progressive taxes, offer tax incentives - now, I'm not suggesting we go
this far. I don't think ve have to. Some States like Louisiana will
new
offer any/industry establishing there ten years of complete freedom
from property or real estate tax and than they have written in a guar-
antee that at the eleventh year they won't suddenly hit you over the head
to try and get back the tea years they have given you free, that your tax
will have to be comparable to everybody elses in the vicinity. Will, as
I say, we don't have to do that, but very possibly California could find
that through tax exceptions we could stimulate job training. We could
agive an inducement to industry to 20 into the minority areas where there
is an excess over and above the normal smount of unemployment, a tax
stimulant for however much they will do in that particular area to put
those people into training and put than to work.
There are any number of programs that call for the заде thing. One right
now is taking place in the Matts Area, called the Family to Family Program.
It is not just some little do-good stunt that started with E few clergymen
going out and talking to people and a feeling of goodwill. They ran
through a computer for an experiment and came out with 2000 families and
these 2000 families now have enlisted an experiment in which, on weekends,
six people, no less then six people, meet in a home, but the six people
must be representatives not of just one group but of
a majority
of the minorities and they exchange weekend visits in each other's homes
simply to get to know each other and get coquinted and find out what are
the human problems that have separated us for 30 long. Well, 12 this
experiement proves successful and does something to alleviate the misunder-
standing and bring US closer together and eliminace some of the prejulices
that sicken our society today, would it be too far fetched to envisage the
Sitate using the prestize of the Governit's office and of the centire State
Administration? to spread this word 2nd help where I: can and get this
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started on a complete State-Wide basis? Well, these are a couple of the
examples as to what I mean by the Creative Society. What I think I have
been trying to say to you, before I turn you loose in questions (I'm just
stalling) - What I've been trying to say is that I think it is time for us
to recognize that the overwhelming majority of the American people, regard-
less of the party lines or philosophies that separate them, are probably
pretty close together wi regard to what we want to do for people. And -
I think it behooves us, 15 we are of goodwill, to sit down end examine
our differences as to the methods we would employ in solving these, with-
out just blanket endicting in advance anyone who is opposed to our approach
to the problem and I felt constrained to say this before opening the ques-
tions because I realine that in the political dialogue of this modern day
there is very little challenging and disapresing with sceeone politically
on the basis of their views and what they honestly believe. There is In-
business
stead, a great/inings or image making in which the opposit ton decides
what image they are going to plaster you with and then 1f they are success-
ful in creating that image, they can run against that false image and it
doesn't make any difference whether it natches the truth or not so what
I'm trying to do is get out from behind the plaster right now as I have
unfortable feelings already being applied. In short, I do not est my young.
Now, before I get any deeper - Questions -
Question: I would like to know what doage you feel you have, 23 far as
your political asperations are concerned - and what in-ge you feel you
would 11ke to present exactly?
Reagan Well, the image I try to present is just the plain simple basis of
that I believe and == do that I tame aleanly avolved = idea that in con-
paigning, I on going to campaign in this way - In other words - no canned
speeches, Tay more time introductory renwoks anough to
Whether 1t 1s a market place, a factory sate, 2 banduet, or where.
7.
I'm going to do questions and answers with the people. I think they have
a right to know whatever 13 on their mind and I figure this is the best
way for the truth on issues to come out as to the image that I think *
perhaps is (t'll never give In that It has been successful yet - of course
it's early) best described by 3 sentence the Covernor spoke to a meeting
of the young democrate several menths 95°, wherein he flatly stated "We
the
(deeck)
are going to hang/Right Was / Extenies duage
on Ronald Reagan
and I feel that in all justice that you first should establish whether
that is the proper image. Honesty requires that you say "If we determine
that he is a Right Winz Extremist, we will then reveal this to the people,
not "We're going to hang the tag on him" and find out later whether it is
bohunk or not.
Question: Would you tell us, please, what really happened in Santa Monica.
Speak to then too. We weren't there - -
Reagan: I made a statement - I grant you it would not receive wide examin-
ation - and I got mad. I felt that there were hints, whether intended or
not, in answer to some of the questions - - I had no quarrel with the con-
vention at all - and I waited until the final question had been asked and
answered by the other two and I was therefore the last one speaking to the
final question and I expressed my displeasure at what I thought had been
(implied)
and contained in some of the other ;answers, and I talked
Question:
Answer:
Were the remarks made by the other two candidates? Well, that has to be
although I would rather not pursue it any farther because at the same time
I also said that I still adhere to the 11th Commandment and believe in-
plicitly in the unity of our party and would try to do everything I could
to promote it and support whoever was a nominee of the party
Question: But your opponents are making cepital of it - at least today
I believe something was released about it - -
Reagan:
Well, I'm still willing to let it stand - The 11th Commandment means $
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I will say once again that I will support the party noninee and that
I will speak no
as a Republican.
Question: It 5000 cald at some of the Denocritic Circles that Donald
Reagan lost his box office to the extitient that be won't pick up any addi-
tional strength in California than he has BOT. Do you care to comment
on that?
Reagen: Well, I think that that first came to light in the New York Times,
whichever cne recognizes an authority on things In California and that it
recently appeared in California in an incorview that UAS done with me
but the opening line of the interviewer 1123 to the affect that he had
read it 10 the New York Times and what 141 I think about it....
All I can say is that I think the compaign is really DOV just beginning.
As 2 mateer of fact, I thought, in spite of my having declared in January,
I thought of April 1st as really the compaign starting time, 28 when your
organization gets under way and goes down the stretch and I just don't
think there is anything
prepared to say now in advance of who is
or is not going to win. I'm content to wait until June 7th to let the
3
people decide,
Question: Do you feel that you will pick up additional strength as you 30
on in this campaign?
Reagan: May, I have to believe First of all, the latest polls indicate
that I'm out in front - but they also indicate that there is a very simible
undecided group. Now, any campaigner his go: to figure that he can present
his case to that undecided 370mp and set a share of them. Carcainly that
11 going =0 be 3 lifett and I hope the I don't loss anyone I've already
gotten in the maintime and I von't throw inyone away that has already
committed the other WAY and decides to change,
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Question:
will Laughlin Waters be very active in the Primary?- What do you think?
Reagan: Will Laughlin Miters be very accive in the Primary - Well, I
don't know. He amounts his support of George Christopher after he with-
drew from the race, His chairman had assounced his support of me. I know
his chairman to going to be intive on our condictos and 1 assume that Mr.
Waters will probably do what he con.in the compaign,
Question: What specific issues can you foredae 15 you are E Republican
Nonther when it goas form to our November voting? Can you pinpoint any
specific issues? C': yes, I think 1.2 have 3 dollar sign on almost every
issue and I think it is kind of 1 Sunny thing to try and describe - I'm
not satisfied nyself that I an describing then correctly but I think there
is one overall tocus and it 13 kind of 01 unbrella :) all the others that
are under that umbralla:
No. 1 - It has to do again with the philosophy of this cdninistration in
Secremento, which I think in has shown a tendency to abacdon State Sovertign-
ty and turn to Washington for the answer to all problems and thus make our
State a kind of administration
to the Foderal Government. Nov, in
order to do that, i: his mount, of course, an increased bureauccracy at the
State level, 30 we have 2 government that has grown four times 23 fast as the
population increase, the cost of government his multiplied even more than
Local
half and our share of the cost of Stute/Governnunt here in California is
$100 per capits higher this the National Average and I think from this, to
code down to theoother problems that have stermed from this cencering of all the
authority in Scoramento. I think it is back of the feed within the Democratic
right any, the attangt on d'expise of the Crudubite Brunch to consenatly
by-pase the Lygisliture, Again, the will buy Maintatradive adict? There 1:
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3 mad means in which they have pre-empted local committes' authority
to have ordinimes in the of Law inforcement, OR the basis that the
State has protempted this crea and thus the police have their hands cled
in so many ways Seen suferding Less and this we have ST, of the pupulation
and 17% of the crime. And you CAR 30 0 : down - Velfare - Welfare is in-
creasing in cost much Sasher chan the Indiana in the cost of education
and while it has not passed the total amount spent on education, it is
touches
the second biggest item in our state, How, here again it severches back
to my subject of Creative Society. = Shill: there are two divisions in
welfare. You have the perminent group and I don't think again, this
crosses the party line, but I don't think there is any responsible person
whokwould suggest that we should not to everything ve can for those people
who through no fault of their own, either aged 05 permanently disabled but
who must depend upon 13 for their subsistence I think every one of us
would like to be able to do not only bate subsistence but scoe of the lux-
uries that make life worth living for them. But, there is another larger
element of the whole welfare package which is 2 kind of temporary thing.
This was the welfare that busically began in the depression days and was
originally intended to be 2. temporary measure to put people back on their
feet and back into the productive economy and we have gone so far afield in
that that even the administratore of public housing 4b the Federal level
are now admitting that we have perpetuated poverty and NB have created a
segment of scciety In which we have nov come into 2 third generation of
people - a third generation chas in the family to: never known anything but
living on public subsistante, but they get married and have children,
amposting to the the summary thi : 10% think these :
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need for a great study in that area, to datermine first of all, to re-determine
what is our goal - and the goal obviously is not to perpetuate poverty with
dole but to use those funds to get people either retrained, or do whatever is
necessary to 3et them on their feet and earning again. In this regard, I
think there are any number of new and challenging things that we can look at.
For example, in the area of Public Housing. May is is that noone has ever
thought that as long as you are going to put up the money for public housing,
I don't know that this will work, but I say that this is a challenging area
to investigate. Eut, why has noone ever thought of the possibility, in 327 an
apartment structure, to do shat we do now so often in private apartment house
building, to say to the individual, "Here is the deed - you com this apartment.
It's yours, You now have an assec with $
This is yours. liatur-
ally, you are Going to have to protect yourself with rules that say, "Now, you
can't go out and sall this. You can't ICVB into the apartment next door and
start all over again, but you now are the possessor of a piece of property".
Dr even if it should be a private individual dwelling and approach public
housing from this standpoint of putting people back into control of their own
housing. Take, for example, we've heard the stories that so many large hbusing
developments have a lack of interest or care, with a run-down condition, the
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destruction that goes on, and the vandalism by the people, the tenants with-
in the building. Just think how this would make everybody in the building
automatically a kind of policeman and custodian. If one fellow in an apart-
ment next door is throwing trach out in the hall, he has two property owners
on either side of him and one actoss the hall who áre going to say "Hey, buddy,
a litcle care about that you are doing with our propercy. He own a chunk of it."
7:13 13 002 52 = CHE explore.
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I think Susically the Californians are terribly concerned about the size of
government, the cost of government, and [ think today the man on the street
is very concerned about where is this walfare problem taking US - is it not
approaching the point in which the people 21 welfore are beginning to out-
number the people who are paying the bills,
Question: Purdon this question - First of all, do you consider Mr. Christopher
your prime opponent in this primary?
Reagin: Wall, I Phink he is the closest and the toughest contender to
best but I've cried to not think of any Republican as an opponent. I figure
this is kind oz 3 tryout to see which one of U3 can run the Eastest 30 we can
June 7th.
decide which one is going to run in the after
In other
words than, accuring that
soing should with the Slavener Communicant?
Reagen: Sure - I'm running ejuinst the present edministration in Secraminto,
Question: Before you CAR run against the present cinicistration in Sacrumento,
don't you first have to get past Mr. Christopher? Is it a matter of
compaigning?
Reagan: Well, I honestly believe that a primary should be conducted on the
basis of running not against your primary opponent but that you run azainst the
main opponent and that the people nake up their minds on the basis of how the
verious candidates and their party appear against that eventual opponent to cas
which one of then they are going to put in the cain Scal. I use
the example of the touck D.B.B. I think it is Wednesday afternoon that you tire
them loose down the tract for 100 yards and the winner is going to run on Sabur-
day against the other school. Now, I don't see any need - all you are supposed
to do is to 2:2 which 022 can run the fuscest there 1- no naid to spills the
: . . . : the 0.03 CODER any 0. 5.8 US signt corn 002 is
be =:. nonice and if : does, all the 2130 of US should 00 in His 4042, buying
10 him
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He had such a primary between Murphy and Kaiser the last time out. Here
were two men that pluized their complete support to each other in advance
and Kaiser wound up as 1 Finance Junishan for Marphy.
If I can prove to the people's subisTaction time I'd make a better case
against the Brown idministration than the other Republicans, then they
will vote coordingly.
Question: I: tounds rather mignanimous that you want to be Governor first
of all,
Reagon: Testy much so!
Quastion:
Question: Does this have anything =0 20 with your not appearing before the
California Republican Longues Convention in San Francisco, in which endorse-
mento will be made, in April? You afe the only sandilate who will not be
there and -
Rengan: Well, I'll be there the news day what happened 725 that TE had
a schedule before we aver received this invitation and = whole scheduled
days activities in another stea, and we begged than - this is another case
of all the candidates appearing at once - and we asked 18 they could not'
change 10 from Saturday = Sunday, which I think cas the days - because :
can be there on Sunday - and they sivear they cannot change it because of
the other condidates schedules, 20 I'm appearing there 02 Sunday - but in
case there 10 any suspicion that this is avoiding 3 Joina appearides with
any of the other candidates, two days after thes, have in Orange County, I
will be oppenzing ith the other candidates before the Fadorated Nonen's
Republican Clubs in monthly the 3202 hind of a meaning. New - theire TIS
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Question: Yest, I have 2 question, X, Rengua, about the - education has
been one of y biggist dally exporter and everything has scolalized educa-
tion, There has been = lot of controvery in the last five or ten years
about loca 1 control being usurped by SCACP control. In other words, the
people in Subranento will tell US how our children are going to be educa-
ted. Should there be a stand on - . CT LOW to you fael about the controls
of Sacramento 33 opposed to Newport Banch?
Reagen: I have 2 very definice stand on this, It is true -70 one of the
greatest dichotonies in our system is the Public School System that here
the Founding Fathers had figured everything our except that they realized
a system 11ke ours wouldn't work is litarite informed public and so we have
adopted 2 Public School System. It Is 2 stronge paralar, with our complete
tradition of individual freedom, parents being forced 10 educate children,
We've side It bork - : clining compronise - but
been
the cluncy despromise 20/- local control of the schools but =$ long as
you have kept the control close to the parents and the local community, you
could overcome the problems that went along with the compulsory Feacures
of education. I an very definitely opposed to the centralization of author-
ity in the School System. I think that unificacion of school districts is
only good LE the people in those districts have decided that they want it
unified because it would make their problems ensier. I do noc believe in
it being forced upon then - I do not believe in II:, Unrue's Assembly Bill
No. 145, with its every CTAD year vote and its holding 0.00 box butt and hold-
ing out a penalty, withholding money to try and force the Districts in
California CO unify, believe in :: being hept close to the lossl lovel
and
A
the
bulback of insiden" but LI you remove :- too far from the Insul == the
parants' dontrol, It MUDES 1
Like : ) 212 the
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the State gec out of the Text Book System. I would like to see local
authorities have more control over the calection of text books. It is
2 funny thing that 30 much lip service is paid by the aggregate of the
Great Society to being a Lind of Civersity and we must make the World
and our Nation safe for diversity for ingosing visupoint, except that
they don't like that liversity the 1: down to thair Rea of in-
posing blacket rules from the top of the Faderal Society. I would do
everything I could to ask for legislation to restove authority 23 much
as possible CD the loanl school system,
Quastion: To Sollow that a step further. If you were Lt. Governor,
let's say, and it came to your attention that the City of Anahein was
providing a good education for their kids, 06 the City of Sente Ana,
or say Garden Grove MSS providing at very poor one, would you than feel
any compulsion on your part to bry to 10 something vith the cities that
are providing a poor education?
Redgen: Tell, nov you have percuip bable standards of elecation that
have been laid down but if you are talking about Whate Bluey fall below
those standards then, of course, it is automatic that you've go: some
responsibility
Question: You feel the State should - -
Redgen: Tall then, you have : State School Board - Your, this has always
been traditionally true. Yes, va have always done that =0 milintin a certain
level of education but I think 23 long :3 that is being lots - I'm talking
about such controls 43 the State imposion on the School Systems, let US saj,
the second language idea. Sounds 11:10 2 good idoa - I think all of us
would 111.3 to be data to think that no, attacy should store school
and learn not only Me own Unr another Linguage but the State impores this
and names :) provision for her the virio.: cabool systems are
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going to find the tatchers, Finance the programyand sutionly here they are
encumbored with $ dibt and burden and TO provision made for meating it and
the State last year pussed changes and rules for ligislation for requirements
with regard to our elimentary schools, filled 270 pages, and they were
suddenly dumpai on loadl school idministrators and shill "This is the new lav."
Good Lord, the school year is OVER Salore they can unde through 270 pages.
I made a suggestion to some school administrations the other day that we
needed 2 year's monatorium 3 the chare bught CO be 1 year's S2P before the
enforcement of the nav lagislation 30 they will have time to study its and
find out what it morns, because in many instances when they study it they
find 12 has been a very impression] oning that has Deen forced cato them.
Now, some of these vilws I'm expressing = know I hold 10 DOUTOR with the
Thate Superintendent of Education, Mart Miforty, For one thing, I'll tell
you right now, I'd like to saa : Stude 30 and I'd Mike to be
in charge of in an supcubive brench that will the come scaps to and that
relationship that was created by this administration between the duly
elected Superintendent and the Covernor's appointed board, in which his
1
hands were tind, and I'd 11:5 to 003 his be more free to do none of the
things the people elected his to Co
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Question: You then Favor the aloohed and the appointed
board?
Reagan: Vill, no, 11 you aritime, I'd tell you that 11 :- could be done,
I don't want all of than appointed. = would 1 by that is sould unlie more
Sense to have 31 Doard and on oppointed superibiendent thin the
product system, It 1:11a bring It that with dlover to the people.
Quastion:
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Do you have any preference for any Governor at present?
Reagon: Ch no! Good Lord, I'm in no position to have any cost tails -
Whoever the people datide is the cne, - I will day this - I an not one
who believes in independent, individual compaign, similar to sone we have
had in the pass, to which we tell the reselol the ticket to so their own
way. I don't believe you cught to tand the Central bithout the truth.
Once it is dociled, 12 I 17 2 nouldes on that tichet, I'm compaigning for
the entire ticket, top to botton, (Considercble applause)
Question: Could I have your candli registration Appenital of 0.0 recent
magazine arcicles - one by JLn in Esquire direct to months age
and the current one Nowsweek.
Inside your again reaction to those,
do you have a - -
(much laughter) -
1 and 2 - how about the Nurray piece?
Radgoner Hall, you 932 there is = Libile that procuder the Nurrey
piece - = WORED numed Jessica TOOD Simple applicational by Inquire,
to write the profile on 13. I didn't Cast that : 00 hall: to her
CT be interviewed by Jessica Missik 25 I didn't thinken had much in
counon and basides you know she and her family vate probably 30 busy in
is
the perfect demonstration that we couldn't have gooden cogether anyway.
The next thing I know - I know the was going to 2, the profile anyway -
she WIJ talking to a loi of people - and the name thing I Jin Murruy
contacted = and cald that Esquire had soked himbre do such a thing and
I said That happened 10 the Middle place and be coll = that Coquire
didn't feel 10 could use 1t." Ic turned 4? in the orgazine "Ramparts"
30 Mitzik got her picte printed. Marry 0003 and sald be M2G to do a
pitto - 1-1 I had bith 3 fan bE his I Love his valatings and I the
It : : not en homest place and : VIS disappointed.
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for
in Newsweek I could more OF less expect such - I thought the cover picture
WES fine and happy docut that. There were some more or less fictional things run-
ning through the Nawsweek but all in all I think some of them were so subtle
that they went over most purple's health - Bud, it isn't true that I wear makeup
when I WHITE make spraches, EVER As 1 mutter-of-fact, I don't even
wanz makeup when I :, Bandle Valley Days. I convinced the studio years ago that
I had an alergy and got hives if I Note ackeep, ] managed to get away with It
all these years - basides, it wouldn't do any good any more. There were a few
other things in there that I thought wire inscrurate but, 20 I say, I wesn't
too surprised by that.
Question:
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Raagan: Well, yes, I don't think I 30 croind with 3 scaned spacch in which I
have bland paragraphs that don't say very much of anything at all. I think I've
said strie pretty pointed things as 3 netur of fist 3 lot bE people have
gotten precty mad at 120 for some of the chings I've stid, including one govern-
ment agency that tried to get me fired off =y IV shows Now, you can't sTouse
that kind of action and be blood - SD - no, I don't think they ware cyain = : a
premium, the exact issues that I ever said. But I love it - the Press, and I
want you to know - I even attiend the Sleventh Commandment. (Moch laughter)
Question: Among the Democrabs - 2 lot of the people state that you don't have
the diministrative bearing.
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Reagan: Wall, you know there were two beachers once, applying for 1 job in
the aducational system and 003 had 23 years while the other had one
year, The superialendent 11 -? hiving the person the had COB - and the other
one probacted basing her cliti on hot 25 years appeciunce and the Superin-
mid To, you're had DA yours emperience rental :3 times."