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MEMORANDUM December 31, 1935. At the request of Judge Forman, Mr. Markley, representing the Globe Indemnity Company; Mr. E.F. Smith, representing the New Amsterdam Casualty Company; and the writer, as well as Mr. Emmer- glick, counsel in the LaPorte case, appeared in the Judge's chambers, on Friday afternoon, December 27th, at 2 P.M. The object of the conference, as it developed, was to ascertain the possibility of the defendant and his associates amicably agreeing to reimburse Mr. Emmerglick for his services in the LaPorte Action. It developed that the out-of-pocket money spent by Mr. Unger amounted to approximately $850.00, and that there was a bill of approxi- mately $1200.00 still due Mrs. Bergen for transcript of the testimony. Judge Forman, however, stated that Mrs. Bergen would, in all probability, accept $500.00 as complete settlement of this bill. Mr. Emmerglick made a very strong plea to have the Court award counsel fees to the plaintiff's lawyer in the Order dismissing the Bill of Complaint. He cited references to the effect that such a procedure was entirely within the legal rights of the Judge, although there was some question as to their applicability in the Court where this Action was tried. Mr. Markley objected to the citations, stating that for the most part they were not applicable and that even if they were, the amount which could be specified would be very nominal. Judge Forman stated that he had made a cursory examination of the law, and that at the moment he was not satisfied whether it was in his rights to make such an allowance, but that unless we could amicably agree upon some fee, he would be com- pelled to examine the law further, as he felt very strongly that Mr. Em- merglick was entitled to some compensation. Judge Forman further pointed out that he felt Mr. Emmerglick had rendered a distinct service by presenting the case in such a work- manlike manner, taking every detail into consideration, and that his development of the case had been of material assistance in enabling the Court to come to its decision. He further stated that while he could give us no assurance that his decision would virtually mean a cessation of all activity, still he felt that in all probability such would be the case. There was considerable discussion as to the amount of money which Mr. Emmerglick should receive, but it finally came down to the Judge sug- gesting that Mr. Unger be paid $1500.00 to reimburse him for out-of-pocket money, as well as settle with Mrs. Bergen, and that he should not be allowed any counsel fees other than what he would obtain by the difference between $1500.00 and what monies he had to pay out. As far as Mr. Ammerglick WES concerned, he felt he should have $2500.00 and trusted that we would find a way to make this payment. -2- I took theposition that it would be very embarrassing to present such a request to our Board, especially in view of the fact that we were the winners, and that it would be hard to convince our Board that we should pay counsel for the plaintiff, for after all, had he won, he would show no mercy to us, and we would not have ex- pected same. Judge Forman stated he could appreciate our position, and that under the circumstances, even though Judge Ackerson's decision would seem to place no responsibility upon the Insurance Companies, he felt that in this instance the Insurance Companies should contribute to the fund to reimburse Mr. Unger and pay Mr. Emmerglick. His sug- gestion was to the afect that the Insurance Companies, namely the Globe and New Amsterdam, should pay $1000.00 and the U.S. Radium $2000.00. Mr. Emmerglick initially requested a fee of $75.00, but after the Judge's suggestion, he stated that he would be willing to accept $2500.00 if this matter could be brought to a definite conclusion within a reasonable time, and that if by received such an amount of money, he would agree not to be aparty to the appeal of Judge Forman's decision; and furthermore, that he was serving as counsel in behalf of four other complainants, and that he would withdraw these Actions; that he was also retained by counsel on behalf of other cases in which his suggestion would be influential in their decision as to what course to pursue. Judge Forman indicated he would not sign the order until this matter had been given consideration end he had some word from the In- surance Companies' representatives, as well as the Corporation.

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