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RECORD TYPE: PRESIDENTIAL (NOTES MAIL)
CREATOR: Gilbert S. Gonzalez ( CN=Gilbert S. Gonzalez/OU=WHO/O=EOP [ WHO ])
CREATION DATE/TIME:24-DEC-1999 06:59:05.00
SUBJECT: FOX Special Report with Brit Hume, December 23, 1999
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TEXT:
FOX SPECIAL REPORT WITH BRIT HUME
December 23, 1999
BRIT HUME, HOST, SPECIAL REPORT: Welcome to
Washington. I'm Brit Hume.
In a sign of how threatened some Republicans may be
feeling toward Arizona Senator John McCain, a leading conservative policy
group is now attacking McCain over the airwaves in New Hampshire. FOX NEWS
correspondent David Shuster joins us with more.
David, what's this all about?
DAVID SHUSTER, FOX NEWS: Brit, the group behind the
ad is Americans for Tax Reform. The conservative organization is picking
up a refrain that has been endorsed by some Republicans in recent weeks,
charging that John McCain's efforts to clean up the campaign finance
system would hurt Republicans and help Democrats.
Here's the ad.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP-Americans for Tax Reform
commercial)
ANNOUNCER: He's the only Republican candidate
approved by the liberal "New York Times." Bill Clinton, Al Gore and big
labor all endorse his top legislative priority. Senator John McCain,
helping Democrats pass a campaign finance bill that would keep the
Republican Party from fighting the liberal national media. Yet McCain's
bill would leave labor unions, trial lawyers and pro-abortion groups free
to attack Republicans just like they did for Bill Clinton. So call John
McCain and tell him to leave the Republican Party alone.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
SHUSTER: A McCain spokesperson said the ad is false,
and noted that Americans for Tax Reform is run by Grover Norquist, who is
a Bush supporter and Washington lobbyist. A McCain spokesperson said
Norquist's group has gotten fat over the years on soft money. The
spokesperson went on to say ``John McCain has been a consistent
tax-cutter, foe of pork-barrel spending, opponent of the liberal trial
lawyers and fighter of union-financed political campaigns. The ad is not
about issues," said the McCain spokesman, "it's about Norquist's desire
for cash."
The chairman of the New Hampshire Republican Party
also says that the ad is a disgrace and should be pulled. He said it's an
insult to the intelligence of voters in New Hampshire and does not--is not
an accurate characterization of McCain.
The Steve Forbes campaign is also weighing in,
speaking out by saying that the ad is part of a "Bush smear campaign"
that began with Republican Leadership Council ads on Forbes and has
extended to the Norquist attacks on McCain. The spokesman said, "Governor
Bush needs to call off the dogs now. Mr. Norquist should pull this ad
immediately."
As for the Bush campaign, it denies it had anything
to do with the ad or the recent statements by Bush that he is soon going
to get ``feisty" in New Hampshire. Americans for Tax Reform has spent
$100,000 buying ad space, and that will enable them to run the ad in New
Hampshire 80 times between now and mid-January.
Brit?
HUME: David, what--what--what--was the McCain
campaign--sorry about my voice. Was the McCain campaign caught completely
off guard by this? What happened here?
SHUSTER: Bush--Brit, they were surprised. They did
not know this was coming. They had to scramble to try to come up with
their statement. But when pressed whether or not they thought the Bush
campaign was behind this, they refused to say that, although they have
strong--strong speculation within the McCain camp that Grover Norquist and
Bush operatives are working together on this.
Brit?
HUME: All right. Thanks very much.
John McCain has collected about $40,000 in campaign
contributions from members of the Log Cabin Republicans. That's a gay
political organization with which McCain disagrees on homosexual issues,
but a McCain spokesman said the candidate and the Log Cabin group do agree
on issues like taxes, school choice and the military.
Worth noting here, perhaps, that George W. Bush has
declined to meet with that group.
Now, and independent poll in New Hampshire shows
Senator McCain ahead of Texas Governor Bush in the race for the
nomination. McCain has a 39 to 30 percent lead with a 4-point margin of
error.
And for the first time, the poll shows New Jersey
Senator Bill Bradley--former New Jersey senator Bill Bradley--with a clear
lead over Vice President Gore in the Granite State. Bradley leads Gore 48
to 36 percent. Two weeks ago, the same poll showed them in a virtual dead
heat.
During the impeachment proceedings last year, there
was a lot of talk regarding whether the process would hurt the House
managers' chances of being elected--reelected. The thinking was that it
would, since voters didn't particularly support the investigation. As
FOX's Brian Wilson reports, it appears some top Democrats may have been
targeting those races, seeking impeachment revenge.
(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)
BRIAN WILSON, FOX NEWS (voice-over): There was a
time when Democrats were gunning for these 11 men, the Republican House
managers who presented the impeachment case to the Senate. In fact,
earlier this month, the president still seemed to hold resentment for
those who pursued the Monica Lewinsky matter.
WILLIAM J. CLINTON, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES:
Well, the mistake I made was self-inflicted, and the misconduct of others
was not.
WILSON: Well, that's similar to statements
attributed to the president last February, when word began leaking from
the White House that the president wanted a little payback. "The New York
Times" quoted a Clinton adviser as saying, "He knows the districts. He
knows the candidates. And he doesn't like these people. He thinks winning
back the House is part of his legacy." Another adviser told "The
Times," ``It will be a personal crusade."
At the time, presidential spokesman Joe Lockhart
admitted there were probably some folks at the White House saying such
things, but he tried to downplay the story.
JOE LOCKHART, WHITE HOUSE SPOKESMAN: And I can't
think of a worse, more dumb strategy than going after people based on
whether they were a House manager or not.
WILSON: Apparently, over time, others in the White
House came around to Lockhart's position. Political analysts say there has
been a shift in strategy.
RON FAUCHEUX, "CAMPAIGNS AND ELECTIONS": Some of
the House impeachment managers are just not going to be easy to beat. So
instead of concentrating their effort and resources there, they'd rather
concentrate effort and resources on open seats and incumbents who are more
beatable.
WILSON: But that doesn't mean Democrats will give up
completely on all the House managers.
PETER FENN, DEMOCRATIC STRATEGIST: Those managers
that were out front and that got a lot of publicity on impeachment now
have to answer for their positions on issues. And I think in the case of
Jim Rogan and the case of Bob Barr and maybe several others, you're going
to have some strong Democratic challenges.
WILSON: Independent analysts agree with that
assessment. James Rogan of California will face a well-financed and
popular state senator. Barr leads handily in his Georgia district, but
polls suggest many voters there view him unfavorably. Republicans have
only a five-vote margin in the House, and they acknowledge there will be a
battle to retain control there.
CLIFF MAY, REPUBLICAN NATIONAL COMMITTEE: It's going
to be hard-fought for the House. There's no question about it. But I'd
rather have the majority and be defending it than be in the minority and
trying to recapture the majority.
(END VIDEOTAPE)
WILSON: Actually, don't be surprised if both sides
stay away from any talk of impeachment in the coming election. Republicans
learned it didn't gain them any points with voters in the last election,
and Democrats can't attack Republicans on the issue without looking like
apologists for the White House.
Brit?
HUME: Thanks very much, Brian.
Coming up: more warnings about and more steps to
prevent terrorism during the holidays. Stay tuned.
(18:08)
(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
HUME: The government has come out with another
warning about possible terrorist acts, this time regarding certain mail.
But prosecutors have also for the first time publicly linked one of the
people arrested at the Canadian border in Vermont with international
terrorists. FOX NEWS correspondent Wendell Goler reports.
(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)
WENDELL GOLER, FOX NEWS (voice-over): Authorities
returned Canadian Lucia Garofalo to a federal jail in Vermont after a
judge denied her bail request. Prosecutors had charged Garofalo has ties
to a suspected terrorist group called the Algerian Islamic League and said
they need more time to investigate.
CHARLES TETZLAFF, U.S. ATTORNEY, VERMONT:
particularly any connections that may exist between these defendants and
other organizations that we have concerns about.
GOLER: FOX NEWS has learned Garofalo also has ties
to Osama bin Laden, one of the world's most notorious terrorists, and that
she attends the same Montreal mosque as Ahmed Ressam, who was arrested
near Seattle last week with a carload of bomb-making materials and who FOX
has reported also has ties to bin Laden.
Authorities found no evidence the car Garofalo was
arrested in at this Vermont border crossing ever contained explosives, but
the car is registered to a leader of the Algerian Islamic League, the same
person who opened Garofalo's cell phone account. And records show the
phone was used to call a Canadian man suspected of stealing dynamite.
TETZLAFF: That was one of the issues that we
indicated to the court that we wanted additional time to explore.
GOLER: And experts say it's entirely likely the
Algerian Islamic League is working with bin Laden.
YOSSEF BODANSKY, BIN LADEN EXPERT: The overall
support network, the financial network, the theological control and
guidance networks all end up eventually at what we call bin Laden.
GOLER: Bin Laden's blamed for last year's bombing of
the U.S. embassies in Kenya and Tanzania. The U.S. responded with
nighttime missile strikes against alleged bin Laden facilities in Sudan
and Afghanistan, attacks that bin Laden has vowed to avenge.
Meanwhile, a threat from Germany has created a
logjam in the Christmas mailing rush. Authorities began inspecting mail
from Frankfurt after the FBI issued an unusual warning, citing
``unsubstantiated information that individuals may be planning to send
bombs in small parcels to addresses in the United States."
(END VIDEOTAPE)
The FBI says any Americans who do receive unexpected
packages from Frankfurt, Germany, should leave them alone and call police.
The warning has angered some here at the White House, who feel the FBI
should not be passing along unsubstantiated information, but there is a
stronger element here arguing for what one official calls ``an abundance
of caution," saying the government will be blamed if it issues no warning
and there is an attack.
Brit?
HUME: Wendell, thanks very much.
With these new warnings coming out almost daily
about the threat of possible terror attacks during holiday celebrations,
the feeling is that many people may avoid large gatherings and crowds and
just stay home. In fact, many Christians who planned a pilgrimage to the
Holy Land during the holidays have canceled their plans. But as FOX NEWS
correspondent Jennifer Griffin reports, the celebrations in Bethlehem will
go on.
(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)
JENNIFER GRIFFIN, FOX NEWS (voice-over): As the
world counts down to the millennium, last-minute touches are being put on
the town of Bethlehem, where Jesus was born 2,000 years ago. The facelift
is nearly complete, but unlike 2,000 years ago, when Mary and Joseph were
looking for somewhere to stay, today they would find rooms at the local
inn.
A little over half of the tens of thousands of
tourists expected have actually turned up. Many were scared by warnings
terrorists might disrupt the festivities, but not these pilgrims from the
James Dixon Ministries and the Community of Faith in Houston, Texas. They
came to perform on Christmas Eve in Manger Square, along with dozens of
choirs from around the world.
ERIC CARRINGTON, THE WILLING WORKERS: Knowing that I
can walk the streets where Jesus walked and, you know, I mean, reading
about it and--it's totally different being here for myself.
PASTOR JAMES DIXON, THE COMMUNITY OF FAITH:
Bethlehem is the place to be on Christmas.
GRIFFIN: The group is documenting their trip through
the Holy Land. On a visit to the Church of the Nativity in Bethlehem, they
were surprised to find Jesus was born in a cave, not a stable. They've
been saving to visit these sites for nearly a year, but most agree the
highlight of the trip was being baptized in the Jordan River.
(on camera): The choir from Houston is among the few
who did make the journey to Israel. In the end, their faith was stronger
than their fear.
DIXON: The question becomes, if there were ever a
place to die, why not here, doing this? I mean, why not? If I could choose
my place, certainly I would choose a place like this.
GRIFFIN: In Bethlehem, Jennifer Griffin, FOX NEWS.
(END VIDEOTAPE)
HUME: And coming up next, we'll talk to former House
speaker Newt Gingrich about the congressional races and the run for the
White House. Stay tuned.
(18:16)
(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
HUME: We have been watching with intense scrutiny
the daily fluctuations of the presidential campaigns, but the White House
is not the only race in town. In play, as well, are all 435 House seats
and, of course, 33 Senate seats, as well. With just a nine-seat advantage
in the House, will the Republicans be able to defend that narrow majority?
Joining me now is someone familiar with both
Congress and campaigning, the former House speaker and now FOX NEWS
contributor, Newt Gingrich.
Welcome, sir. Nice to have you.
NEWT GINGRICH (R), FORMER HOUSE SPEAKER: Good to be
here.
HUME: As you look at the prospects for the
Republicans holding the House, what do you see?
GINGRICH: I think they've got a very hard job partly
because they've had more people retire than the Democrats, and they've
retired in some difficult seats to keep. And I think, basically, the
Republican chance to keep the House is, I think, 95 percent a function of
the presidential race. If they have a presidential nominee who does very,
very well in October, then I think they'll keep the House. They might even
gain 10 or 15 seats. If, on the other hand, you have Gore or Bradley
winning by a big margin, then I think it's very, very hard for the
Republicans to keep the House. And frankly, I think the Senate's a little
more in danger than most people in this city think.
HUME: Really?
GINGRICH: I think if you go state by state and you
say, if there is, in fact, a Democratic tide--and I don't think there will
be. I'm a Republican. I'm an optimist. I think we can have a pretty good
presidential campaign. But I would not be sanguine if there was a
presidential tide on the Democratic side that we would automatically keep
either house.
HUME: Let's talk a little bit about the presidential
race. If you looked at this and closed your eyes to names, and you posited
a situation in a presidential campaign where you had a surging
economy--and it would have to slow down a lot for it to be really noticed,
I think, by election day--and you had no war or other major international
crisis on the horizon, it's hard to think of a time when the incumbent
party nominee, whether he was the actual incumbent or not, has been turned
out in recent American history. Wouldn't this normally be the Democrats'
to lose?
GINGRICH: This--and I think this is the Democrats'
to lose, and I think it says something about Gore's personality and his
ties to Bill Clinton that he's currently running so far behind George W.
Bush in the polls. Certainly, the normal indicators would say to you the
Democrats ought to keep the presidency. They ought to have a chance to
pick up the Congress. The problem they've got is that despite Clinton's
efforts--and here's a place where I think he does deserve some credit,
even though I've been his critic. He has tried to move the party towards
the center. Now you see Bradley and Gore rushing back to the left, and I
think there's a very big difference between the base of the Democratic
Party, which is very liberal, and most Americans. And that's why, with
very few exceptions, even winning Democratic presidential candidates
almost never get over 50 percent of the vote.
HUME: So you--and do you believe that--that
Gore--that this race with Gore and Bradley will last long enough that Gore
will have to make himself--announce himself far enough on the left for a
long enough period of time that the center will be closed to him, in the
end?
GINGRICH: Well, 1 think you've already seen him on
gays in the military, on medical marijuana, on the possibility of a tax
increase.
HUME: Right.
GINGRICH: I mean, he's moving to the left in ways
that I think, for a general election, make him look a lot more like
Dukakis and a lot less like Bill Clinton.
HUME: Now, Peter Hart was in here recently, and he
was describing what he called nomination races that are--some are issue
and message races, and some are constituency races. He cited, you know,
Reagan (INAUDIBLE) was a message race. And in--and in the case of 1984,
Walter Mondale--a classic constituency race, where he simply pulled
together the elements of the party and held them and got nominated.
Hart's view was that this looks like, on the
Democratic side, like a constituency race for the nomination, which may
account for what you're talking about here.
GINGRICH: Well, part of what's going on is that as
Bradley starts to fashion a message, Gore--with the exception of health
care, where Gore's decided to pick a fight, on everything else, Gore tries
to stay close to him so that Bradley can't get to Gore's constituencies.
And I think that in that sense, taking care of the unions or taking care
of the gay activists, taking care of a variety of other groups on the left
works fine for the nomination.
HUME: Right.
GINGRICH: The question is whether, by the time
you're done, you've staked out positions--and I think, frankly, Hillary's
race in New York draws Gore further to the left because New York
HUME: How so?
GINGRICH: Well, New York is one of the most liberal
states in the country.
HUME: Right.
GINGRICH: If you're going to run for the Senate in
New York, you're going to run--as a Democrat, you're going to run to the
left. She is so national a figure that if she takes a position, say, on
something like gays in the military, Gore feels compelled, I think, to
then stay close to where she is, which means that
HUME: (INAUDIBLE) nomination politics?
GINGRICH: For nomination politics, which means that
she's, in a sense, drawing the party to the left because she is so
well-known. A relatively unknown Senate candidate could take exactly the
same position, but it wouldn't have an impact on the whole national
campaign.
HUME: Now, let's look at--at Bush and McCain on the
other side. Does it appear to you that Bush is strong enough, by virtue of
the lead he has in money, organization and party--internal party support,
that he will not be nudged too far to the right?
GINGRICH: Well, I mean, first of all, he's in a very
unusual situation in that his major competitor is arguably slightly to his
left. I mean, McCain is a very conservative man on many issues, but he is
not a hard-right Republican. He's not--and I think you--I noticed a recent
editorial where the columnist, who was a Democrat, described Bush and
McCain as moderates. And I think that both of them have in personal style
a more accommodating, more centrist style. So I don't think there's any
pressure on Bush to go to the right.
I think the second-tier candidates collectively have
failed to make any impact, and Bush--Bush's primary challenge is, can he
come across well enough that he beats McCain in what is really, to some
extent right now, a personality race. It may change some. It could become
an issue race
HUME: Now
GINGRICH:
but for the moment, it's not.
HUME: Now, I know you're at least familiar with the
ad that we've been talking about that's going to run in New Hampshire, put
up by your--your friend and colleague, Grover Norquist. What do you make
of the fuss over that? Do you think that ad makes any difference? Do you
think this is--do you think it's fair, as Forbes charges
GINGRICH: (laughs)
HUME: to say that this is the Bush camp at work
here?
GINGRICH: First of all, you have to retain a sense
of humor in this business. Steve Forbes, who inherited his campaign money,
ran more negative ads than any Republican in 1996. So for Steve Forbes,
having savaged Bob Dole week after week in Iowa, having savaged Dole and
others in New Hampshire and in Arizona--for Forbes to now say, `Gee, if
somebody who didn't inherit money's actually in the race talking about an
issue, that's a bad thing"--I mean, this is a free country. The Sierra
Club runs ads. The NRA runs ads. The labor unions run ads.
HUME: But he makes the argument that because
Norquist is a Bush supporter that this is, in effect, Bush attacking here.
Is that
GINGRICH: Well, I don't--I.
HUME: a fair charge, in your view?
GINGRICH: I don't know anything about that. Grover
Norquist is--has been for years probably the leading anti-tax activist in
the United States. He's done more things in more states to organize
anti-tax movements, tax reform movements, tax-lowering movements, and is
widely regarded, I think, as probably the leading younger activist in the
conservative movement.
HUME: Now, this is an ad on, of course, the issue of
campaign finance reform. What is your view of that and how that issue is
likely to play out? Is it--is it potentially sort of long-run damaging in
places like the suburbs to George Bush, that this--that he's opposing
GINGRICH: Well, George Bush has said he's for
campaign reform, but he would include the unions.
HUME: Right.
GINGRICH: McCain-Feingold didn't include the unions
because you can't get the Democrats to include the unions in campaign
reform.
HUME: Do you think--last question, very quickly. Do
you think that that's an issue, that you can make a stand against this
bill on that issue and have it succeed?
GINGRICH: I think among Republicans and
businesspeople you can.
HUME: Newt Gingrich, nice to have you.
GINGRICH: Thank you. Merry Christmas.
HUME: (INAUDIBLE) for the holidays. Same to you, as
well. Hope you'll come back soon.
We have to take a break for some news headlines.
Stay with us for one of those Washington parlor games, remembering the
great scandals of this century.
(18:27)
(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
HUME: Scandals have been a part of life in
Washington ever since the word `politics" has been part of the city's
lexicon. As this century in American politics comes to a close, we take a
look now at some of the more intriguing scandals that have shaped the face
of government and history in America. FOX NEWS correspondent James Rosen
reports.
(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)
RICHARD M. NIXON, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES:
Therefore, I shall resign the presidency effective at noon tomorrow.
JAMES ROSEN, FOX NEWS (voice-over): Forcing a
president from office in 1974, Watergate remains to many the most
momentous scandal in American history. It began two years earlier as a
break-in at Democratic headquarters. The burglars' ties to Richard Nixon's
men could only be concealed for so long. The cover-up finally collapsed
when Nixon's own taping system provided evidence of the president's active
role in it. Unprecedented, both Nixon and Vice President Spiro Agnew,
facing unrelated corruption charges, resigned.
Helen Thomas has been UPI's White House
correspondent since 1961 and has seen press coverage there change
dramatically.
HELEN THOMAS, UPI: Watergate transformed the whole
approach to the presidency. We became much more skeptical, much more
hard-driving. This room has been depicted as the arena, lion's den and so
forth.
ROSEN: If debates over the origin and purpose of the
Watergate break-in persist to this day, so too does the use of the suffix
"gate."
Scandal is hardly new to Washington. It rocked the
Harding administration in 1923 when Secretary of the Interior Albert Fall
(ph) was accused of taking a bribe to fix oil-leasing rights in Teapot
Dome, Wyoming. Fall was convicted six years later. If the $400,000 at
stake in Teapot Dome seemed like a lot of money, it would be dwarfed by
the savings and loan scandal of some 60 years later, which cost taxpayers
roughly $1 trillion.
At mid-century, the espionage case of Alger Hiss
divided Americans. Some believed the protege of Franklin Roosevelt when he
said he never spied for the Soviet Union.
ALGER HISS: I am not and never have been a member of
the Communist Party.
ROSEN: But many believed his accuser, Whittaker
Chambers, a former communist spy who'd come in from the cold.
WHITTAKER CHAMBERS: Hiss was a devoted and, at that
time, a rather romantic communist.
ROSEN: Thanks in part to then-Congressman Nixon,
Hiss was tried twice and finally convicted of perjury in 1950.
In the next four years, a nationwide anti-communist
crusade led by Wisconsin Senator Joseph McCarthy targeted individuals in
and out of government. Some targets were completely innocent of subversion
against the United States. Others were sympathetic to the Soviet Union,
and still others served as actual spies. For his reckless allegations,
however, McCarthy himself was censured by the Senate in 1954.
Some heard echoes of the Hiss case in 1991, when
Supreme Court nominee Clarence Thomas faced sexual harassment charges from
a former subordinate, law professor Anita Hill.
ALLEN WEINSTEIN, HISTORIAN: That plainly is
analogous to the confrontation of Whittaker Chambers and Alger Hiss before
the House Committee on Un-American Activities, two diametrically opposed
witnesses, both with fine reputations. And who do you believe, and how do
you know what to believe about which witness?
ROSEN: Although equally divisive, the Hill-Thomas
scandal differed from the Hiss-Chambers case in two significant ways. The
charges against Clarence Thomas never went before a court of law, and
moreover, the accused went on to take a seat on the Supreme Court.
If scandals routinely unfold before Congress and
unravel there, the legislative branch has also produced more than its
share. Since 1904, nearly 40 members of Congress have been indicted and
most of them convicted. Between 1979 and 1980, seven congressmen were
convicted in an FBI sting operation called Abscam. Undercover lawmen posed
as Arab sheiks looking to bribe underhanded lawmakers. Briefcases stuffed
with cash exchanged hands, as in this FBI surveillance video, which helped
convict Staten Island Congressman John Murphy.
U.S. REPRESENTATIVE JOHN MURPHY (NY) (ph): When the
tapes are all in and all examined, as I had asked back in February, I
think it will be obvious to everyone that there certainly was never any
violation of any trust or any law.
ROSEN: In the last decade, a series of low-level
scandals has claimed some high-profile congressional figures. In 1989, the
nomination of former Senator John Tower to be secretary of defense drowned
amid allegations of alcoholism.
U.S. SENATOR SAM NUNN (D-GA): whether you
yourself have any alcohol problem.
JOHN TOWER: I have none, Senator.
U.S. REPRESENTATIVE JIM WRIGHT (D), SPEAKER OF THE
HOUSE: All of us in both political parties must resolve to bring this
period of mindless cannibalism to an end!
ROSEN: That same year, Speaker of the House Jim
Wright was toppled from power over a book contract, a scandal fueled by
future Speaker Newt Gingrich, who in 1997 was himself forced to admit to
ethics violations involving a college course he had taught. In 1995,
Senator Bob Packwood of Oregon resigned after enduring three years of
mounting allegations that he had made unwanted sexual advances on female
staffers.
U.S. SENATOR BOB PACKWOOD (R-OR): I am accused of
kissing women.
SALLY QUINN, "WASHINGTON POST" CORRESPONDENT The
problem is that people who come to Washington--and most of them are
politicians--sell themselves as perfect. And so no one likes better than
to sort of unveil hypocrisy.
ROSEN: In a class by itself was the case of
Washington's three-term mayor, Marion Barry. In 1990, the FBI videotaped
Barry smoking crack. He was convicted, imprisoned and later reelected.
G. GORDON LIDDY: It's all part of the conspiracy!
ROSEN: In fact, scandal has actually helped some
careers. Watergate convict-turned-radio host Gordon Liddy offers proof
that F. Scott Fitzgerald was wrong when he said there are no second acts
in American lives.
After his conviction in the 1986 Iran-contra scandal
and his successful appeal of that conviction, former Lieutenant Colonel
Oliver North received nominations for elective office, book contracts and
his own talk show. All this came after evidence emerged showing Reagan
administration aides had sold arms to Iranian terrorists, funneled the
proceeds to Nicaraguan contras in violation of a congressional mandate and
brought the president closer to impeachment than at any time since
Watergate.
WILLIAM J. CLINTON, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES
(January 26, 1998): I did not have sexual relations with that woman, Ms.
Lewinsky.
ROSEN: Until because became the first sitting
president to be impeached since Andrew Johnson. Despite a judge's finding
that he obstructed the judicial process by lying in a deposition, despite
his admission that he misled Americans about his sexual relations with a
21-year-old intern, Clinton's job approval ratings never dipped below 50
percent.
(on camera): Thus from the days of Watergate, the
country had come to a kind of full circle. Whereas Richard Nixon, who was
never impeached, left office nonetheless, Bill Clinton, who was impeached,
stayed in office all the same, rounding out a century of Washington
scandals.
In Washington, James Rosen, FOX NEWS.
(END VIDEOTAPE)
HUME: And next we'll take a look at how veterans are
being remembered this holiday season in Washington. Stay with us.
(18:39)
(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
HUME: This holiday season, those who died in Vietnam
are being remembered. The Vietnam Veterans Memorial Fund has placed a
Christmas tree at the wall in Washington. It's decorated with holiday
messages and tributes dedicated to the men and women who fought in that
war. FOX NEWS cameraman Les Baker (ph) and producer Shannon Powell (ph)
bring us the story.
(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)
JAN SCRUGGS, VIETNAM VETERANS MEMORIAL FUND: There
are a lot of families who don't have somebody with them this Christmas who
gave his life in Vietnam, and this is a time and a place that they're
remembered.
UNIDENTIFIED WOMAN: (reading) "We send our deepest
sympathies to those who lost their loved ones. Our prayers are with each
and every one that you'll find peace."
SCRUGGS: Thousands of people have sent messages from
throughout the country to remember the people who are on this wall.
JEFF KRUGER, VIETNAM VETERANS MEMORIAL FUND:
(reading) "Even though it's been 30 years since you were killed, it still
seems like it happened yesterday. I wish you were here to see my kids and
husband."
WARREN EFTING, VIETNAM VETERAN: I came down here
because I got a lot of people's names on the wall that I know. One of
them--he's probably as close to me as a brother could be.
JESSICA FERGUSON, VIETNAM VETERANS MEMORIAL FUND:
(reading) ``Jim, Jack, Father Bering (ph) and all the men and women who
served our country, thank you. Thank you that you were there when I
couldn't be there. Thank you for making it possible for my love and others
to serve and come home."
UNIDENTIFIED MAN: This is the third year we've been
doing this, and there just seemed to be a need around the Christmas
holidays for people who--who wanted to express their grief.
(reading) "God willing, I will see you again in
heaven. You are so dear to me."
My heart aches for the families of all who gave so
much. A lot of my friends didn't make it back, but this is where they are,
so here's a time for me to say ``Merry Christmas."
(END VIDEOTAPE)
HUME: Our panel of journalists is next, and unlike
me, they can talk. Stay tuned.
(18:44)
(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
HUME: And now, I'm pleased to say, in full voice are
Fred Barnes, executive editor of "The Weekly Standard," Jeff Birnbaum,
Washington bureau chief for "Fortune" magazine, and indoors tonight,
Mara Liasson, White House correspondent of National Public Radio, FOX NEWS
contributors all.
Two days before Christmas, we have what passes for a
pretty good political flap over this New Hampshire ad taken out by Grover
Norquist's group, Americans for Tax Reform--Grover Norquist a man unknown
to most Americans, but well known here in Washington as a political
activist.
Let's take a brief look at the ad.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP-Americans for Tax Reform
commercial)
ANNOUNCER: He's the only Republican candidate
approved by the liberal "New York Times." Bill Clinton, Al Gore and big
labor all endorse his top legislative priority. Senator John McCain,
helping Democrats pass a campaign finance bill that would keep the
Republican Party from fighting the liberal national media. Yet McCain's
bill would leave labor unions, trial lawyers and pro-abortion groups free
to attack Republicans just like they did for Bill Clinton. So call John
McCain and tell him to leave the Republican Party alone.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
HUME: Well, the McCain and Forbes camps have reacted
indignantly, the Forbes camp likening this to the Clinton campaign finance
scandals and saying the Bush campaign is behind it. What do we make of
this?
FRED BARNES, "THE WEEKLY STANDARD": Now, the
Forbes campaign, even when they--immunity, they could legitimately
criticize this ad, I suppose, but they're so far over the top in their
criticism, you know, saying this stuff, these independent-expenditure ads,
will dwarf the Gore-Clinton campaign finance scandals of 1996. That's
ridiculous.
Look, this ad's perfectly legal. I think it's kind
of dumb, actually, because most people don't care about campaign finance
reform on one side or the other. It's just not an issue that's caught on.
If you want to go after John McCain and appeal to conservatives, say he's
a big tax-raiser because he was for that big tobacco tax. That would make
a lot more sense.
JEFF BIRNBAUM, "FORTUNE" MAGAZINE: I think
MARA LIASSON, NATIONAL PUBLIC RADIO: But
BIRNBAUM: I'm sorry. Go ahead.
LIASSON: No, no. Well, one thing I wanted to say
about this--I mean, first of all, this ad would not be outlawed by the
McCain-Feingold bill because it's an independent expenditure. It's not
paid for with soft money from a party and
BARNES: Oh, it would during a certain period of time
closer to the election. It would outlaw that.
LIASSON: Well, except for the other thing that
they're talking about in terms of letting--leaving unions free--what
they're saying is that unions can spend their dues-paying members' money
without asking them permission in advance.
HUME: Right.
LIASSON: However, not as soft money, if
McCain-Feingold passed, but as an independent expenditure, just like
anti-abortion groups or Grover Norquist's group could do the same thing. I
mean, I think that that has to be said. I mean, they make it seem like
somehow unions are going to be able to spend soft money and nobody else
will. That's just not true.
BIRNBAUM: Well, I think, first, this is an effective
ad for George W. Bush, and it is put on by a group and a person that does
support George W. Bush and is the wave of the future
LIASSON: That's right.
BIRNBAUM: in these campaigns. That is, groups
that are not coordinating with the candidate, nonetheless supporting the
candidate that they advocate and
LIASSON: And not governed by the campaign finance
laws, yeah.
BIRNBAUM: And not--well, not governed by any
limitations
LIASSON: Right.
BIRNBAUM: whatsoever. And it is--I--we need to
believe that Grover Norquist is not coordinating with the Bush campaign
because otherwise this would be completely illegal.
(CROSSTALK)
BIRNBAUM: couldn't put this on. But this is the
way that George W. Bush
LIASSON: That's right.
BIRNBAUM: will not go as negative as he would
have otherwise because he's going to let his supporters go out there for
him and bash McCain without allowing his fingerprints to be on it.
LIASSON: And McCain ain't seen nothin' yet.
BIRNBAUM: That's right.
LIASSON: I mean, this is just the beginning.
BIRNBAUM: Right. There's
BARNES: Well, maybe.
BIRNBAUM:
going to be a deluge of these kinds
of.
BARNES: Oh, maybe, maybe not. Look, here's what the
McCain campaign is going to do. They're going to demand that Grover
Norquist say or reveal who is paying for this ad, who gave him the money.
Is it his money? Is it his group's money? Was it the tobacco companies who
gave him the money? I'm just throwing that out as a hypothetical. He
doesn't have to reveal that. As an independent expenditure, he can say,
"None of your business."
BIRNBAUM: That's right.
LIASSON: That's right.
HUME: You know, Grover Norquist, I guess, is a
lobbyist in the sense that--but he's a lobbyist not on behalf of corporate
causes
(CROSSTALK)
BIRNBAUM: He has a variety of different interests.
He is a registered lobby for foreign countries, as well.
HUME: Isn't he primarily a political activist
BARNES: Yeah. Absolutely.
HUME:
and lobbying on support of causes
BIRNBAUM: That's right
(CROSSTALK)
HUME: This is not your classic K Street guy.
BIRNBAUM: No.
BARNES: No.
BIRNBAUM: No, he's not classic at all, but he has
lobbied for tax reduction and for this `paycheck protection," which
is
LIASSON: Right.
BIRNBAUM:
to handcuff labor unions from using
their members' dues for political purposes.
BARNES: Yeah, Grover
(CROSSTALK)
BARNES: Grover Norquist is well known
HUME: (INAUDIBLE) without the permission (INAUDIBLE)
BIRNBAUM: Without their permission, right.
(CROSSTALK)
LIASSON: Why isn't there a similar ``Stockholders'
Protection Act"?
BIRNBAUM: There--there certainly should be, except
corporations are--play both sides so well that they would never use their
corporate dollars for
BARNES: The--Grover Norquist is really known for one
thing in politics, and that is the ``no tax increase" pledge. He goes
around to candidates in New Hampshire and elsewhere and gets them to sign
a pledge that they will support no tax increase whatsoever. And a lot of
Republican politicians sign.
BIRNBAUM: I think we should look for other ads like
this. I mean, there are other groups out there, like the Republican
Leadership Council
LIASSON: Right.
BIRNBAUM: that has already put independent ads
out there, so
HUME: Yeah, let me just--let me just get your--make
sure I understand everybody's take on this. Your view is that it was an
effective ad.
BIRNBAUM: Yes.
HUME: Your view is, I take it, that it's on the
wrong issue.
BARNES: Look, there are things to go after McCain
on, but don't do a process issue--campaign finance reform.
BIRNBAUM: Well
BARNES: I hate his bill, but most people could care
less about it!
LIASSON: And what that--what that ad is--is
appealing to, theoretically, are the Republicans who would be
appalled--are such party stalwarts that they would be appalled that McCain
would hurt the Republican Party. Don't forget that was George W. Bush's
message in the debate.
BIRNBAUM: That's right.
LIASSON: "You're going to hurt the Republican
Party, John."
BIRNBAUM: And so this is base-building, in effect.
LIASSON: Yes. Yes.
BIRNBAUM: Or reinforcing the base that should be
HUME: Well, it's not
BIRNBAUM: for
HUME: It's not coordinated, but it's not exactly
uncoordinated
LIASSON: Right.
HUME:
in the sense that it does dovetail
(CROSSTALK)
BIRNBAUM: I think it's very adept. I do think it's
effective because campaign finance reform is what John McCain is running
on as a symbol of his outsider sta5tus.
LIASSON: That's right. And he--they're saying "He's
way too outside for us."
HUME: And of his rectitude
LIASSON: Right.
HUME: which puts him in contrast with Mr.
Clinton.
LIASSON: Right.
HUME: Well, folks, I did not think that we could get
an entire panel out of that single issue, but thanks to my colleagues here
and their full voices, we did.
And that is all the time we have for the panel. But
stay with us. We'll tell you about the link between politics and Santa
Claus. Be right back.
(18:53)
(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
HUME: 'Tis the season for friends, family and a
right jolly old elf who goes by the name of Santa Claus, and Santa, as the
story goes, is primarily interested in affiliations of naughty or nice.
But it turns out he also has a connection to Democrats and Republicans.
And as FOX NEWS correspondent David Shuster reports, that connection is
19th-century political cartoonist Thomas Nast.
(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)
SHUSTER (voice-over): "Twas the night before
Christmas when all through the house not a creature was stirring, not even
a mouse. The stockings were hung by the chimney with care in hopes that
Saint Nicholas soon would be there."
But jolly old Saint Nick was not always so jolly.
ERIC NEWTON, NEWS HISTORIAN: He was not fat. He was
not jolly. He was this skinny little guy who would--was rather pagan, with
all sorts of holly and fruits and branches hanging from him.
SHUSTER: Prior to the 1880s, Santa Claus was
depicted as either a bishop or a small, playful gnome. But cartoonist
Thomas Nast, inspired by Clement Clark Moore's poem, "The Night Before
Christmas," created a full-figured Claus with twinkling eyes and merry
dimples. It is only one of Thomas Nast's images that is still celebrated
today.
NEWTON: Thomas Nast brought us some of our modern
icons. It was Thomas Nast who first drew the admittedly crude, and not in
the form you see them today--but Thomas Nast was the first to draw the
Republican elephant and the Democratic donkey.
SHUSTER: Beginning in 1862, Nast's drawings appeared
on the pages and covers of `Harper's Weekly."
NEWTON: He was only 22 when he went to work for
``Harper's Weekly," and he had already become by that time--by that young
age, he had become America's premier newspaper illustrator. He actually
illustrated the news. He did the reports from the Civil War. He traveled
around the world and drew battles and drew disasters.
SHUSTER: But it was Nast's allegorical drawings that
earned him the title of father of political cartoons." Some of his
favorite subjects were Andrew Johnson and a corrupt New York City
politician named Boss Tweed.
NEWTON: It was when Thomas Nast started drawing
cartoons portraying Boss Tweed as an emperor, portraying Tammany Hall, his
political machine, as a tiger, the ``Tammany Tiger" that was going to
just jump on the people and rip the city limb from limb, that Boss Tweed
became upset. He didn't care about the writing, he cared about the
pictures, what he called ``those damn pictures."
Boss Tweed desperately wants to get rid of Thomas
Nast. He sends an emissary. Emissary offers $500,000 in gold if Thomas
Nast will just forget all this cartoon business, go to Europe and hang out
and study art. Without even thinking about it, Thomas Nast says "No. Keep
your money"--$500,000--and goes back to doing his cartoons for ``Harper's
Weekly." Boss Tweed goes off to prison, and the rest is history.
SHUSTER: Clearly, Boss Tweed would have ended up on
Santa's naughty list, a list Santa checks twice before driving out of
sight shouting ``Merry Christmas to all, and to all a good night."
In Washington, David Shuster, FOX NEWS.
(END VIDEOTAPE)
HUME: By the way, Nast may have set a record among
political cartoonists. Every presidential candidate he supported in his
drawings over a 20-year period, from Ulysses S. Grant to Benjamin
Harrison, was elected.
And that's SPECIAL REPORT for this time. Please come
again next time, and in the meantime, stay tuned for news, fair and
balanced, as always.
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President about the Vermont case here (and there's lots of other fairly new
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President Clinton Discusses His Legacy
Aired December 23, 1999 - 9:00 p.m. ET
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KING: We are re-evaluating, are we, "don't ask, don't tell"?
CLINTON: Well, I think the candidates are. A lot of them are saying it
should be changed.
KING: What do you think?
CLINTON: Well, I tried - I tried to have a different policy. I tried to
say
gays should be able to serve in the military without
KING: Period.
CLINTON: without lying about it, but if the Military Code of Justice
says that homosexual acts are illegal, if they keep it, then they'd have to
observe that.
But when we went to "don't ask, don't tell," it was all we could get
through
the Congress. The Congress had a veto-proof majority to reverse the policy
I
recommended. Now, a new administration and new members of Congress, they're
free to do something different. What we're doing now, in August, we issued
some new guidelines to try to correct some of the abuses, because the
policy, as it was articulated in '93, has been often abused and that's what
led to some of these expulsions, some of this harassment.
The secretary of defense is absolutely committed to faithfully implementing
the policy. It's really, "don't ask, don't tell, don't pursue" under those
circumstances.
KING: So it's not the policy that's wrong?
CLINTON: Well no, I didn't say that. I recommended a different policy.
But the policy is better than the results; that is, if the policy were
faithfully applied, we would not have many of the problems that we've had
these last few years.
And I think the secretary of defense and the leadership of the Pentagon is
now, with these new guidelines and with the work they're doing to try to
make sure people are trained and they understand they're not supposed to go
around and harass people, and what can and cannot trigger an inquiry, I
think we can make it better now.
KING: How much we know about your interest in and the gains we've made
in
the racial area, and still a long way to go. How are we doing in that area,
in the homosexual area in this country, with regard to acceptance, do you
think?
CLINTON: Well, I think we've come a long way. We're a long way from where
we
were just in '92, '93. I think the vast majority of the American people
support hate crimes legislation that protects gays as well as people of
different racial and religious backgrounds. I think most Americans strongly
support nondiscrimination in the workplace and would vote for the
Employment
Nondiscrimination Act if they were in Congress. I hope that the Congress
will vote for it this year, this next year.
I think that -- that the real problem, I still believe, is the absence of
open, personal contact. I mean, I think that
KING: We don't know it. We don't know them.
CLINTON: Yes. I think there are too many people who don't know gay men and
lesbian women in the ordinary course of their lives, and they don't see
that
there are people who are their friends, their sisters, their brothers,
their, their sons, their daughters, their coworkers, and that it is -- and
my judgment is, is it's not a lifestyle people choose. It is the way people
are. It's too hard a life for people to just
KING: Why choose it?
CLINTON: up and choose it. I think that -- and I think that -- my view
is that every American that works hard, obeys the law, plays by the rules,
ought to be treated with dignity and respect and have a part in our
American
family; that's what I believe. KING: Do you agree with the Vermont
judiciary, that while marriage may be wrong, they are entitled -- couples
who live together who are gay -- to equal benefits?
CLINTON: I do. I think that's a good thing. That's always been my position.
But you know, you've got gay couples that, for example, have been together
for years now. One of them's -- and I'm beginning to think about this
because I'm moving into this age bracket now one of them has a heart
attack, one of them gets sick, one of them's in the intensive care unit in
the hospital and only family members can come in, and sometimes they're not
allowed in, that kind of thing.
You know, I think that in terms of health care coverage at work or in terms
of property and willing your property to your closest family member, that
sort of thing, I think they ought to be able to do that.
KING: But not marry?
CLINTON: Well, marriage, in our culture and to me, has a certain
connotation, meaning for me, that has not gotten me to where I could get,
you know, accept that, because I think it's basically a union for the
purpose of, among other things, having children and doing that.
So that's why I've never supported the term of marriage, although there are
a lot of -- increasing numbers of people, even in the clergy, who believe
that they should be able to do that.
KING: We'll be back with more of President Clinton. We've got an overview
here on the millennium and some other things after this.
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<P><B><FONT FACE="Times New Roman">Great to talk to you the other day. In case
you missed it, King asks the President about the Vermont case here (and there's
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<BR><B><FONT SIZE=4 FACE="Times New Roman">President Clinton Discusses His Lega
cy</FONT></B>
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<P><FONT FACE="Times New Roman">****</FONT>
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<P><FONT FACE="Times New Roman">(COMMERCIAL BREAK) </FONT>
<BR><FONT FACE="Times New Roman">KING: We are re-evaluating, are we, "don"
t ask, don't tell"? </FONT>
<BR><FONT FACE="Times New Roman">CLINTON: Well, I think the candidates are. A I
ot of them are saying it should be changed. </FONT>
<BR><FONT FACE="Times New Roman">KING: What do you think? </FONT>
<BR><FONT FACE="Times New Roman">CLINTON: Well, I tried -- I tried to have a di
fferent policy. I tried to say gays should be able to serve in the military wit
hout.. </FONT></P>
<P><FONT FACE="Times New Roman">KING: Period. </FONT>
<BR><FONT FACE="Times New Roman">CLINTON: without lying about it, but if th
e Military Code of Justice says that homosexual acts are illegal, if they keep
it, then they'd have to observe that. </FONT></P>
<P><FONT FACE="Times New Roman"> when we went to "don't ask, don't tell
it was all we could get through the Congress. The Congress had a veto-p
roof majority to reverse the policy I recommended. Now, a new administration an
d new members of Congress, they're free to do something different. What we're d
oing now, in August, we issued some new guidelines to try to correct some of th
e abuses, because the policy, as it was articulated in '93, has been often abus
ed and that's what led to some of these expulsions, some of this harassment.
FONT></P>
<P><FONT FACE="Times New Roman"> The secretary of defense is absolutely committe
d to faithfully implementing the policy. It's really, "don't ask, don't te
II, don't pursue" under those circumstances. </FONT></P>
<P><FONT FACE="Times New Roman">KING: So it's not the policy that's wrong? </FO
NT>
<BR><FONT FACE="Times New Roman">CLINTON: Well no, I didn't say that. I reco
mmended a different policy. But the policy is better than the results; that is,
if the policy were faithfully applied, we would not have many of the problems
that we've had these last few years. </FONT></P>
<P><FONT FACE="Times New Roman">And I think the secretary of defense and the le
adership of the Pentagon is now, with these new guidelines and with the work th
ey're doing to try to make sure people are trained and they understand they're
not supposed to go around and harass people, and what can and cannot trigger an
inquiry, I think we can make it better now. </FONT></P>
<P><FONT FACE="Times New Roman">KING: How much -- we know about your interest i
n and the gains we've made in the racial area, and still a long way to go. How
are we doing in that area, in the homosexual area in this country, with regard
to acceptance, do you think? </FONT></P>
<P><FONT FACE="Times New Roman">CLINTON: Well, I think we've come a long way. W
e're a long way from where we were just in '92, '93. I think the vast majority
of the American people support hate crimes legislation that protects gays as we
Il as people of different racial and religious backgrounds. I think most Americ
ans strongly support nondiscrimination in the workplace and would vote for the
Employment Nondiscrimination Act if they were in Congress. I hope that the Cong
ress will vote for it this year, this next year. </FONT></P>
<P><FONT FACE="Times New Roman">I think that -- that the real problem, I still
believe, is the absence of open, personal contact. I mean, I think that </FO
NT></P>
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ONT>
<BR><FONT FACE="Times New Roman">CLINTON: Yes. I think there are too many peopl
e who don't know gay men and lesbian women in the ordinary course of their live
S, and they don't see that there are people who are their friends, their sister
s, their brothers, their, their sons, their daughters, their coworkers, and tha
t it is -- and my judgment is, is it's not a lifestyle people choose. It is the
way people are. It's too hard a life for people to just.. </FONT></P>
<P><FONT FACE="Times New Roman">KING: Why choose it? </FONT>
<BR><FONT FACE="Times New Roman">CLINTON: up and choose it. I think that --
and 1 think that -- my view is that every American that works hard, obeys the
law, plays by the rules, ought to be treated with dignity and respect and have
a part in our American family; that's what I believe. KING: Do you agree with t
he Vermont judiciary, that while marriage may be wrong, they are entitled -- co
uples who live together who are gay -- to equal benefits? </FONT></P>
<P><FONT FACE="Times New Roman">CLINTON: I do. I think that's a good thing. Tha
t's always been my position. </FONT>
<BR><FONT FACE="Times New Roman">But you know, you've got gay couples that, for
example, have been together for years now. One of them's -- and I'm beginning
to think about this because I'm moving into this age bracket now -- one of them
has a heart attack, one of them gets sick, one of them's in the intensive care
unit in the hospital and only family members can come in, and sometimes they'r
e not allowed in, that kind of thing. </FONT></P>
<P><FONT FACE="Times New Roman"> You know, I think that in terms of health care
coverage at work or in terms of property and willing your property to your clos
est family member, that sort of thing, I think they ought to be able to do that
</FONT></P>
<P><FONT FACE="Times New Roman">KING: But not marry? </FONT>
<BR><FONT FACE="Times New Roman">CLINTON: Well, marriage, in our culture and to
me, has a certain connotation, meaning for me, that has not gotten me to where
I could get, you know, accept that, because I think it's basically a union for
the purpose of, among other things, having children and doing that. </FONT></P
>
<P><FONT FACE="Times New Roman">So that's why I've never supported the term of
marriage, although there are a lot of -- increasing numbers of people, even in
the clergy, who believe that they should be able to do that. </FONT></P>
<P><FONT FACE="Times New Roman">KING: We'll be back with more of President Clin
ton. We've got an overview here on the millennium and some other things after t
his. </FONT></P>
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All: attached below is an agenda of what to expect at NDU. Am told that
we will get a much shorter version of what Barrye put in our boxes, and
that there will be time for Q&A.
I also put in your boxes three short articles on social issues that NDU
has been wrestling with: Racism in the Military, the Civil-military gap,
and the "Don't Ask Don't Tell" policy.
Najera
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Pete,
Here is a copy of your agenda for tomorrow. I confirmed this through
Mr. Mike Hanpeter (LTC, USA, ret.), our director of operations.
I am still working changes to the briefing. We also have a major
briefing with Congressman Ike Skelton and others tomorrow. I was working
that briefing with my boss when you called (it is also not finished).
Hooah.
-Tim
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Agenda
White House Fellows Visit to NDU
January 4, 2000
0855 Arrive at NDU, met by Alicia Garges, PAO, Marshall Hall entrance
0900 NDU Overview Brief, and Q and A Session, LTG Chilcoat, McNair Rm.
0945 Brief walking tour of campus en route to War Gaming Center,
Alicia Garges
1000 War Gaming Brief, POC Erik Kjonnerod
1045 Depart War Gaming Center for Marshall Hall (NDU Library)
1100 Tour of NDU Library Special Collections, Bob Adamskick
1145 Depart NDU
Note: 16 White House Fellows are expected to attend
POC: Alicia Garges, 685-3938
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Pete,
Thanks for putting this stuff together. I'll read while LTG Chilcoat
does
his presentation (relax, Pete, I'm just kidding).
JB
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All: attached below is an agenda of what to expect at NDU. Am told
that
we will get a much shorter version of what Barrye put in our boxes,
and
that there will be time for Q&A.
I also put in your boxes three short articles on social issues that
NDU has
been wrestling with: Racism in the Military, the Civil-military gap,
and
the "Don't Ask Don't Tell" policy.
Najera
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Pete,
Here is a copy of your agenda for tomorrow. I confirmed this
through
Mr. Mike Hanpeter (LTC, USA, ret.), our director of operations.
I am still working changes to the briefing. We also have a
major
briefing with Congressman Ike Skelton and others tomorrow. I was
working
that briefing with my boss when you called (it is also not finished).
Hooah.
-Tim
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we will get a much shorter version of what Barrye put in our boxes, and
that there will be time for Q&A.
I also put in your boxes three short articles on social issues that NDU
has been wrestling with: Racism in the Military, the Civil-military gap,
and the "Don't Ask Don't Tell" policy.
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Pete,
Here is a copy of your agenda for tomorrow. I confirmed this through
Mr. Mike Hanpeter (LTC, USA, ret.), our director of operations.
I am still working changes to the briefing. We also have a major
briefing with Congressman Ike Skelton and others tomorrow. 1 was working
that briefing with my boss when you called (it is also not finished).
Hooah.
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White House Fellows Visit to NDU
January 4, 2000
0855 Arrive at NDU, met by Alicia Garges, PAO, Marshall Hall entrance
0900 NDU Overview Brief, and Q and A Session, LTG Chilcoat, McNair Rm.
0945 Brief walking tour of campus en route to War Gaming Center,
Alicia Garges
1000 War Gaming Brief, POC Erik Kjonnerod
1045 Depart War Gaming Center for Marshall Hall (NDU Library)
1100 Tour of NDU Library Special Collections, Bob Adamskick
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Note: 16 White House Fellows are expected to attend
POC: Alicia Garges, 685-3938
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All: attached below is an agenda of what to expect at NDU. Am told that
we will get a much shorter version of what Barrye put in our boxes, and
that there will be time for Q&A.
I also put in your boxes three short articles on social issues that NDU
has been wrestling with: Racism in the Military, the Civil-military gap,
and the "Don't Ask Don't Tell" policy.
Najera
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Pete,
Here is a copy of your agenda for tomorrow. I confirmed this through
Mr. Mike Hanpeter (LTC, USA, ret.), our director of operations.
I am still working changes to the briefing. We also have a major
briefing with Congressman Ike Skelton and others tomorrow. I was working
that briefing with my boss when you called (it is also not finished).
Hooah.
-Tim
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Agenda
White House Fellows Visit to NDU
January 4, 2000
0855 Arrive at NDU, met by Alicia Garges, PAO, Marshall Hall entrance
0900 NDU Overview Brief, and Q and A Session, LTG Chilcoat, McNair Rm.
0945 Brief walking tour of campus en route to War Gaming Center,
Alicia Garges
1000 War Gaming Brief, POC Erik Kjonnerod
1045 Depart War Gaming Center for Marshall Hall (NDU Library)
1100 Tour of NDU Library Special Collections, Bob Adamskick
1145 Depart NDU
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POC: Alicia Garges, 685-3938
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Pete,
Thanks for putting this stuff together. I'll read while LTG Chilcoat does
his presentation (relax, Pete, I'm just kidding).
JB
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All: attached below is an agenda of what to expect at NDU. Am told that
we will get a much shorter version of what Barrye put in our boxes, and
that there will be time for Q&A.
I also put in your boxes three short articles on social issues that NDU
has been wrestling with: Racism in the Military, the Civil-military gap,
and the "Don't Ask Don't Tell" policy.
Najera
Soldier, US Army
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Pete,
Here is a copy of your agenda for tomorrow. I confirmed this through
Mr. Mike Hanpeter (LTC, USA, ret.), our director of operations.
I am still working changes to the briefing. We also have a major
briefing with Congressman Ike Skelton and others tomorrow. I was working
that briefing with my boss when you called (it is also not finished).
Hooah.
-Tim
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Agenda
White House Fellows Visit to NDU
January 4, 2000
0855 Arrive at NDU, met by Alicia Garges, PAO, Marshall Hall entrance
0900 NDU Overview Brief, and Q and A Session, LTG Chilcoat, McNair Rm.
0945 Brief walking tour of campus en route to War Gaming Center,
Alicia Garges
1000 War Gaming Brief, POC Erik Kjonnerod
1045 Depart War Gaming Center for Marshall Hall (NDU Library)
1100 Tour of NDU Library Special Collections, Bob Adamskick
1145 Depart NDU
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POC: Alicia Garges, 685-3938
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You may have seen last night or in the NYT today:
Both Democrats Endorse Gays in the Military
Al Gore and Bill Bradley said that if they were elected
president they would require their appointees to the Joint
Chiefs of Staff to fully support allowing homosexuals to
serve openly in the military.
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JB: The statement below deeply distrubes me not the gay issue so
much as opposed to putting a litmus test on military
officers/appointments/promotioins. We have seen what this has done to
the judiciary, to politicize our professional military in this way
would make me even more ashamed of the direction my country's
political parties/campaign is going. Officers will always give their
best advice. After that, whatever order/decision is given/made, they
will execute it to the best of their abilities - or resign.
On another note, I heard analysis this morning that "Gays in the
Miilitary" is not a Presidential issue, but that Gore and Bradley are
racing to the left of their Party where the activists are during
primary season. They are building baggage that will slow them down
against a Republican as they race towards the middle in the general
election.
My second point is debate-able, my first is not.
Najera
A soldier who will negotiate his position but not compromise his
principles.
><[email protected]> 01/06/00 09:16AM
You may have seen last night or in the NYT today:
Both Democrats Endorse Gays in the Military
Al Gore and Bill Bradley said that if they were elected
president they would require their appointees to the Joint
Chiefs of Staff to fully support allowing homosexuals to
serve openly in the military.
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JB: You're right things don't look so bleak after all! Me, Dan,
Juan and Chris stayed in the office today after lunch talking about
this exact issue. But now I am disappointed on another level, and
that's with Clinton's remarks he should be a stronger leader as
opposed to the preception that he is abdicating his responsibilities
to Congress.
<[email protected]> 01/06/00 02:57PM
A little more context on the gays in the military comments from last
night.
Pete, I think you
will appreciate Bradley's answer--at least part of it.
The two candidates agreed on the need for stricter gun control
laws and on letting gays serve in the
military.
But Gore went
further, saying he would not appoint anyone
to
the Joint Chiefs
of Staff who disagreed with his position on
homosexuals in the
armed forces.
Bradley suggested he would not need to
resort to
any such
litmus test: ``When you're president, you
are
commander-in-chief and you issue orders. And
soldiers are
good soldiers. And they follow your orders
whatever the
policy is."
But President Clinton said today that
changing
the policy would
not be that simple, noting that Congress had
voted by a
veto-proof majority not to allow homosexuals
to
serve openly
in the military.
"The Congress would have to change the
law,"
Clinton said
outside the new home his wife and he had
bought
in
Chappaqua, N.Y. ``I don't think the military
and
the president
have the authority to do it."
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HEADLINE: Mass immigration may help the graying of Europe and Japan, UN
says
BYLINE: Robert Holloway
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Europe and Japan may have to follow the example of North America and
Australia and encourage large-scale immigration to solve the problems of
their
shrinking, ageing populations, UN officials said.
"A major change is occurring in geopolitics," said Joseph Chamie,
director of
the United Nations Population Division.
"And it's not happening in 200 years, it's happening now. Population
trends
and demographic changes are bringing about what I call the New
International
Population Order."
Forecasts released by the UN on October 12 -- the day chosen to mark the
birth of the six billionth living human being -- showed the world's total
population rising to 8.9 billion by 2050.
At the same time, the populations of most developed countries will
fall, in
some cases dramatically.
Germany, largest of the 15 European Union members, is forecast to fall
from
82.2 million to 73.3 million, Italy from 57.3 million to 41.2 million and
Japan
from 126.5 million to 104.9 million.
Britain is expected to edge down, from 58.7 million to 56.7 million,
while
France is forecast to inch upwards from 58.9 million to 59.9 million.
But they too will see their populations age, putting ever greater
strains on
welfare systems which are paid for contributions from those at work,
largely for
the benefit of those who have retired.
"In Germany, there are about 4.5 workers supporting each retiree,"
Chamie
said. "In 2050 the ratio will be two-to-one."
Similar percentages hold true for most European countries as well as
Japan,
where the proportion of people over the age of 65 is likely to increase
from 15
percent today to 32 percent in 2050.
But in the United States a ratio of three workers to one retiree is
forecast
as the population grows from 276.2 million to 349.3 million, largely
thanks to
continuing immigration.
The United Nations is mid-way through a study which looks at various
scenarios for immigration in eight countries: Britain, France, Germany,
Italy,
Japan, Russia, South Korea and the United States.
The study is due out in March.
Chamie said Wednesday that preliminary results showed that if Germany
wanted
to keep its population constant, it would have to accept 18 million
immigrants
over the next half-century.
About 25 million immigrants would be needed to keep the size of the
labour
force constant, he said.
But if Germany wanted to maintain the current ratio of people of
working age
to retirees, it would need 188 million immigrants, he said.
Chamie explained this huge figure by saying that the first immigrants
would
themselves retire, swelling the numbers of those requiring support, thus
creating a demand for more younger immigrants. These would in turn
retire, and
so on.
"Obviously a figure like that is quite unrealistic," he told AFP.
"Governments will have to find alternatives. The most likely seems to
be to
raise the age at which people retire. But the unions will probably
protest. If
you cut welfare benefits, the elderly will complain. And if you increase
contributions, employers as well as employees will object."
But, Chamie said, immigration on a far larger scale than previously
witnessed
in Europe would probably have to form part of a strategy.
"Governments will have to decide which levers they want to pull," he
said. He
added that the important thing was to act in good time, to avert shocks
of the
kind that followed too rapid policy changes.
"If you wait three months to repair a leaky roof, the roof may rot and
collapse," he said, "but if you fix it now the patch might be quite
small."
He said US concerns about Mexico had influenced thinking in Washington
that
led to the creation of the North American Free Trade Area (NAFTA).
In 1950, the population of Mexico was about 28 million, equivalent to 18
percent of that of the United States.
Today it is 100 million, or 36 percent; in 2050, it is projected to be
147
million, of 42 percent of that of its northern neighbour.
Former US president Richard) Nixon and his secretary of state Henry
Kissinger
said "we can't have one hundred million Mexicans living in poverty at our
border," Chamie said.
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January 6, 2000; Thursday 03:14 Eastern Time
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HEADLINE: Algerian Held on Immigration Charges
DATELINE: SEATTLE
BODY:
An Algerian accused of illegally entering the United States remains
jailed
without bond as investigators look into whether there is a widespread
plot to
smuggle explosives into the country.
Abdel Hakim Tizegha, 29, was to appear before a federal magistrate on
Wednesday, but his attorney did not challenge a government motion to
detain him.
Tizegha is charged with illegally entering the country and eluding
federal
officers at the Canadian border. He was arrested Dec. 24 in Bellevue, a
suburb
east of Seattle, after allegedly crossing the border at Blaine, about 100
miles
north of here.
No link has been made in court between Tizegha and Ahmed Ressam, who has
pleaded innocent to federal charges accusing him of having bomb-making
materials
in his rental car as he entered the country on Dec. 14.
But newspaper reports have said that Tizegha is linked to Ressam and
that
Tizegha and another man investigated in the case, Abdel Ghani, are
longtime
friends. Ghani is charged with helping Ressam.
A fourth man, Abdel Majid Dahoumane, is believed to have stayed with
Ressam
at a motel in British Columbia. Warrants have been issued for his arrest.
According to former CIA counterterrorism chief Vincent Cannistraro, all
four
are part of a terrorist splinter group in Algeria that is supported by
Osama bin
Laden, the Saudi exile believed to have masterminded last year's attack
on two
U.S. embassies in Africa.
Cannistraro, citing French counterterrorism officials, said Wednesday
the men
belong to a faction that broke with the Armed Islamic Group in Algeria,
known by
its French acronym GIA, over its practice of targeting fellow Muslims.
French investigators have said Ressam has links to Fateh Kamel, who has
been
jailed in Paris since April and is suspected of being the leader of an
Islamic
militant group. Cannistraro said Kamel is the leader of the GIA splinter
group.
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HEADLINE: AP Top News at 1 a.m. EST Thursday, Jan. 6, 2000
BODY:
Bradley, Gore Clash in N.H. Debate
DURHAM. N.H. (AP)
Democratic presidential hopeful Bill Bradley accused Al Gore Wednesday
night
of deliberately distorting his proposal to expand health coverage, but
the vice
president shot back in the first debate of the election year that his
rival's
plan would leave many New Hampshire residents "high and dry." Prodded by
debate moderator Peter Jennings to say whether Gore had ever taken a
quote or
vote out of context, Bradley instantly replied, "Yes." The vice
president,
Bradley said, "offended me" by claiming he would hurt African-Americans
and
Latinos and by saying his health care plan would shortchange many
Americans.
Algerian Held on Immigration Charges
SEATTLE (AP)
An Algerian suspected of having links to a countryman charged with
trying to
smuggle explosives into the United States was ordered held without bond
Wednesday. Abdel Hakim Tizegha, 29, is charged with illegally entering the
country and eluding federal officers at the Canadian border. He was
arrested
Dec. 24. No link has been made in court between Tizegha and Ahmed Ressam,
who
has pleaded innocent to federal charges accusing him of having bomb-making
materials in his rental car as he entered the country on Dec. 14. But
newspaper
reports have said that Tizegha is linked to Ressam.
Israelis Leave More of West Bank
JERUSALEM (AP)
Israel completed one of its last pullbacks from the West Bank on
Wednesday,
in a handover that was quick and unemotional. The withdrawal ended a
seven-week
deadlock between the two sides over a relatively minor issue whether the
Palestinians would have a say in sketching the maps of the partial troop
withdrawals. Israeli and Palestinian officials were mum about how the
dispute
was resolved, but both sides said privately the other gave in.
IRA Wants British Army Withdrawal
DUBLIN, Ireland (AP)
The Irish Republican Army, under pressure to disarm, accused British
authorities Wednesday of straining Northern Ireland's peace agreement by
delaying military cutbacks in the province. In its traditional new year's
message, the outlawed IRA said the British government had "no excuse"
for
failing to publish a schedule of troop withdrawals and army-base closures
in
Northern Ireland. Under the 1998 Good Friday peace accord, the IRA is
expected
to completely disarm by May 2000, and the British government pledged to
publish
a schedule of its plans for troop withdrawals.
Cuban-Americans Protest Decision
MIAMI (AP)
Touching off angry protests by hundreds of Cuban-Americans, the U.S.
government decided Wednesday to send 6-year-old Elian Gonzalez back to
Cuba
because "this little boy belongs with his father." Elian has been
in the
middle of an international tug-of-war since he was found Thanksgiving Day
clinging to an inner tube at sea after his mother, stepfather and nine
others
died while trying to reach Florida. He has been living with relatives in
Miami,
who have insisted they could give Elian a better life than his father
could back
in Cuba.
Home Work Safety Rules Withdrawn
WASHINGTON (AP)
Responding to a firestorm of criticism from lawmakers and corporate
America,
the Labor Department withdrew an advisory letter Wednesday that had said
companies have the same safety responsibilities for employees working at
home as
in the office. However, angry Republicans in Congress said they still
plan to
investigate the circumstances surrounding the department's actions.
Gateway Shares Fall After Warning
SAN DIEGO (AP)
Shares of Gateway Inc. fell nearly 10 percent Wednesday after the
computer
maker warned that fourth-quarter earnings would miss expectations,
blaming a
decline in sales due to Y2K fears and component supply problems. The
company
said it expects to show a profit of about 37 cents per share for the three
months ended Dec. 31, about 7 cents less than expectations of analysts
surveyed
by First Call/Thomson Financial.
Tokyo Stocks Lower at Midday
TOKYO (AP)
Japanese share prices fell Thursday morning on hefty selling of
high-technology issues, despite Wall Street's overnight rebound. The
Nikkei
Stock Average ended the morning session down 197.36 points to 18,345.19.
Overnight on Wall Street, the Dow Jones industrial average rose 124.72
points to
11,122.65.
No. 8 Duke Defeats Virginia 109-100, OT
CHARLOTTESVILLE Va. (AP)
Chris Carrawell had 25 points Wednesday night as No. 8 Duke rallied
from a
10-point second-half deficit for a 109-100 overtime victory over
Virginia. It
was the 23rd consecutive Atlantic Coast Conference win for the Blue Devils
(10-2, 1-0) and their 10th straight against the Cavaliers (9-4, 0-1). But
Virginia, which lost to Duke three times last season by an average of 43
points,
gave the Blue Devils all they could handle as they opened defense of their
league title.
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INS: Boy Should Go Back to Cuba
WASHINGTON (AP)
U.S. immigration officials said today a Cuban boy whose rescue at sea
launched a diplomatic tug-of-war "belongs with his father" and must be
returned to Cuba. The decision by Doris Meissner, INS commissioner,
requires
6-year-old Elian Gonzalez to leave Miami and return to Cuba by Jan. 14.
President Clinton said the INS made the right decision. Lawyers
representing the
boy's relatives in Florida said they were asking for a full hearing and
were
prepared to go to federal and state courts if necessary to keep him in the
United States.
Gore, Bradley Debate in N.H.
DURHAM. N.H. (AP)
Democratic presidential hopefuls Bill Bradley and Al Gore came prepared
for
battle tonight in the first debate of the election year. The rivals
clashed on
local issues as well as such national concerns as health coverage. Gore
is the
national frontrunner, but Bradley has mounted a strong challenge for the
nomination, and is even or ahead in the polling in advance of the first
primary
set for Feb. 1 in New Hampshire. That prompted the vice president to
allude to
his "underdog" status. "Your underdog pitch brings tears to my eyes,"
Bradley said wryly. Said Gore: "I hope my upset victory brings tears to
your
eyes on Feb. 1."
Israel, Syria Bargain on Peace
SHEPHERDSTOWN, W.Va. (AP)
Israeli and Syrian negotiators today took up two of the toughest
challenges
in their pursuit of a peace treaty: their future relationship and
security measures along their border. They worked at a U.S. government retreat.
Meanwhile, Israel began transferring another five percent of the West
Bank to
Palestinian control.
Clintons Settle Into New Home
CHAPPAQUA, N.Y. (AP)
President Clinton and his wife, Hillary, settled in today for their
first
meal and overnight stay in their new $1.7 million home in this well-to-do
hamlet
north of New York City. Initially, Mrs. Clinton who needs a New York
address to
run for the U.S. Senate was scheduled to arrive alone to unpack. An
unexpected
break in the president's schedule allowed him to accompany the first
lady, White
House spokesman Joe Lockhart said. The president has said they both plan
to live
in Chappaqua after he leaves office in January 2001.
China Will Scrutinize Internet Companies
BEIJING (AP)
China plans to split supervision of foreign-invested Internet companies
between two government agencies, a magazine report said Wednesday. China's
Information Industry Minister Wu Jichuan told the magazine that he will
set
limits on foreign ownership of Internet service providers while another
ministry, which he did not identify, will handle content providers. The
remarks
bolstered speculation among industry analysts that the communist
government may
put Internet content providers under agencies long used for censoring
newspapers, television and other media.
Amazon.com Shares Plunge
SEATTLE (AP)
Amazon.com Inc.'s Christmas sales rose sharply from a year ago, but the
Internet giant said today that it would post a wider fourth-quarter loss
than
expected because it overstocked for the holiday season. Amazon's stock
plunged
$12.183/4, or by almost 15 percent, to $69.75 on the Nasdaq. Wall Street
analysts urged the company to provide details soon on how and when it
expects to
start making money. Amazon has lost more than $550 million in its four
years in
business and has yet to turn a profit.
Tokyo Stocks Lower at Midday
TOKYO (AP)
Japanese share prices fell Thursday morning on hefty selling of
high-technology issues, despite Wall Street's overnight rebound. The
Nikkei
Stock Average ended the morning session down 197.36 points to 18,345.19.
On
Wednesday, the key average plunged 460.31 points. In New York Wednesday,
the Dow
Jones industrial average rose 124.72 points to 11,122.65.
Notre Dame Upsets No. 2 Connecticut 75-70
HARTFORD, Conn. (AP)
Troy Murphy had 33 points and 16 rebounds to lead Notre Dame to a 75-70
upset
of No. 2 Connecticut tonight, snapping the Huskies' 10-game winning
streak. The
6-foot-10 sophomore matched his career high with the 16 rebounds, 12 of
which
came on the defensive end, as the Irish outrebounded UConn 40-33 in the
Big East
opener for both teams. Khalid El-Amin provided almost half of UConn's
offense
with a career-high 34 points as the Huskies (10-2) trailed nearly the
entire
game and shot just 35.7 percent from the field.
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HEADLINE: INS Orders Elian Gonzalez's Return to His Father in Cuba;
Hillary
Clinton Moves to Chappaqua; Gore and Bradley Trade Barbs in Debate
BYLINE: Perri Peltz, Susan Candiotti, Lucia Newman, Patty Davis, Gary
Tuchman,
Kathleen Koch, Pierre Thomas, David Mattingly, Tony Guida, Kelli Arena,
Natalie
Allen, Fred Hickman
HIGHLIGHT: Immigration and Naturalization Service officials today said 6-
year-old Elian Gonzalez should return to his father in Cuba. Elian's
relatives
in Miami, Florida say they will challenge the decision. Democratic
presidential
candidates Al Gore and Bill Bradley squared off and came out squabbling
this
evening in New Hampshire in the first of two debates they have scheduled
for
this week.
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ANNOUNCER: It's Wednesday, January 5th, 2000. Tonight on NEWSSTAND:
Washington says Elian Gonzalez will go back to Cuba,
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
DORIS MEISSNER, COMMISSIONER, IMMIGRATION AND NATURALIZATION SERVICE:
This
little boy, who has been through so much, belongs with his father.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
ANNOUNCER: And the decision is sparking outrage all the way to the
presidential race.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
GOV. GEORGE W. BUSH (R-TX), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: I think it's a
mistake
for the INS to send the boy back to Cuba.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
ANNOUNCER: The fight to keep Elian in the U.S. and the kind of life that
awaits him in Cuba.
She wants her three boys to have a little sister.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
KELLY SAUNDY (ph), MOTHER: If we can increase the chances of having a
girl,
why not? Why not try it? Why not?
(END VIDEO CLIP)
ANNOUNCER: But what she's trying is very controversial.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
LAURIE KNOLLS (ph), BIOETHICIST: I think the question is: Do we want
this as
a society? And I think the answer is no.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
ANNOUNCER: The science that lets you choose a baby's sex, and pretty
soon,
could give you other choices too.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
ARTHUR KAPLAN, UNIVERSITY OF PENNSYLVANIA: Better memory, better vision,
someone who's stronger, maybe even issues about appearance.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
ANNOUNCER: It's moving day for some of the first family.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
WILLIAM J. CLINTON, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: We've been boxing
things
up and figuring out what to leave here, what to move there. It's been a
rather
interesting challenge.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
ANNOUNCER: A "Reporter's Notebook" on the newest New Yorker.
CNN NEWSSTAND with anchors Judd Rose in New York and Judy Woodruff in
Washington.
PERRI PELTZ, CNN ANCHOR: Good evening, and welcome to NEWSSTAND. I'm
Perri
Peltz. Judy and Judd are off tonight.
U.S. officials say a 6-year-old Cuban boy should be sent home. His
relatives
in Miami, Florida say no way, and they say they'll do what they have to,
to keep
him here.
That includes taking the U.S. government to court. Their defiance comes
after immigration officials ruled Elian Gonzalez belongs with his father,
who is
still in Cuba.
You may remember his story: a boy rescued from the Atlantic Ocean on
Thanksgiving after he and others fled Cuba in an innertube that sank.
We begin with today's decision and the outrage it has sparked in Miami.
Here's CNN's Susan Candiotti.
(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)
SUSAN CANDIOTTI, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): As he was driven to his
second day at a private Miami school, Elian Gonzalez was told a decision
about
his future had been reached. The family, described as shaken, arrived at
Immigration headquarters in Miami to hear the news privately before the
public
announcement in Washington. After two meetings with the boy's father in
Cuba,
the INS ruled he has sole legal authority to speak for his son in
immigration
matters.
MEISSNER: Based on these meetings, INS believes that the father is
expressing
his true wishes, and therefore, we have determined that Elian should be
reunited
with his father, Mr. Juan Gonzalez.
CANDIOTTI: Following a call for civil disobedience, a group of
anti-Castro
demonstrators waved Cuban flags outside Immigration headquarters.
Occasional
passersby who disagreed with the protesters got an earful.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You don't have a clue about what being in a free
society
is. You have no respect for other people's opinions.
(CROSSTALK)
You have no respect for other people's opinions.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Sir -- sir, you are talking about (UNINTELLIGIBLE)
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Your side is no better than Castro.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Whoa. You don't know
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You're no better than Castro.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You don't know what happened to him.
CANDIOTTI: Meantime, young Elian was spirited away from school early, at
times, adults keeping him out of sight in underground garages. He remains
hidden at an undisclosed relative's home.
Late in the day, attorneys for the family postponed filing a legal
challenge.
They've asked U.S. Attorney General Janet Reno to override the INS
commissioner's decision.
SPENCER EIG, GONZALEZ FAMILY ATTORNEY: It undermines public confidence
for a
decision to be made by a single official in Washington without holding any
hearings, without hearing any witnesses, on the basis of a few secret
interviews.
CANDIOTTI: At the boy's house, the family's supporters are staging a
vigil
where Elian had been living with his great uncle. A family spokesman
vows the
boy will not be turned over willingly.
Wednesday night, while attorneys discussed legal strategy, the boy's
relatives returned home; the youngster kept away.
The time apart for father and son cannot be easy: a relationship the INS
calls a close bond, a bond the mother apparently tried to alter when she
took
her boy on a dangerous journey.
The image is haunting. Elian Gonzalez shortly after his rescue at sea:
the
tiniest survivor of a harrowing 90-mile crossing from Cuba. A boy who
witnessed
the unimaginable: seeing his mother drown while he clung to an innertube.
Within hours, anti-Castro activists put the boy's face on a poster,
calling
him proof of human rights abuses in Cuba.
Released from the hospital, he clung to a cousin's hand. At his great
uncle's home, a seemingly endless parade of visitors and presents began.
A
congresswoman bearing toys was among the first. She posed with Elian and
an
American flag. The youngster became a daily photo opportunity.
There was a birthday party, a visit to a school, trips to Disney World
and
Universal Studios, more and more toys, Christmas, even a puppy from a
politician.
Meantime, from his home in Cuba, Elian's father called his son daily,
and
President Fidel Castro began to orchestrate massive demonstrations to
bolster
the father's demand for Elian's return.
Many legal experts agree the youngster's father has a legal right to be
reunited with his son.
Juan Miguel Gonzalez, though divorced from Elian's mother, shared
custody of
the boy. He said he had no idea his former wife planned to take the boy
to
America. The Catholic Church in Cuba has called for the youngster's
return,
joined by the U.S. Council of Churches, who met with Elian's father and
both
sets of grandparents.
In Miami, the youngster's extended family has repeatedly called for him
to
stay, saying he deserves political asylum.
MARISLEYSIS GONZALEZ, ELIAN'S COUSIN: He's going to have a future. He's
going to have a career. He's going to have the things that he's never
going to
have over there.
CANDIOTTI: Elian's father.
JUAN MIGUEL GONZALEZ, ELIAN'S FATHER: Rest assured, he will be with
me. Here
is where his birthplace is. His family is here, his school, everything.
No
matter what they try to cook up over there, they will never convince us.
CANDIOTTI (on camera): Instead of ending the boy's six-week odyssey,
the INS
decision now appears to have taken it to a new level, steeped in both
politics,
and next, the courts.
Susan Candiotti, CNN, Miami.
(END VIDEOTAPE)
PELTZ: Some analysts say the longer the delay on custody, the more time
someone will to change his mind, perhaps Elian's father. At the moment,
that
does not appear likely.
CNN Havana bureau chief Lucia Newman examines the Cuban reaction in her
"Reporter's Notebook."
(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)
LUCIA NEWMAN, CNN CORRESPONDENT (on camera): The boy's father, Juan
Miguel
Gonzalez, must feel overjoyed and terribly relieved that this ordeal is
nearly
over. But he has not come out in public nor have any members of the
family here
in Cuba. He is a man of very, very few words who has watched his son
become a
symbol, a symbol here and on the other side of the Florida Straits. And
he has
said over and over again that all he wants is for all of this to be over
so that
he can again have the chance to be a father to his son.
Well, this small little boy who was anonymous really except to his own
family
and his neighbors until just less than two months ago has now become the
best-known Cuban not only in this country but perhaps in the world with
the
exception probably of Fidel Castro. His face is everywhere, on posters,
in
every corner of this country.
The Cuban government has said that once he returns, he will stop being a
nationalist symbol. The government has said, in fact, that there will be
no
victory parades, there will be no television appearances. They want him
to try
and regain his normal life as much as he possibly can.
Now, I asked his father just a few days ago whether he would send the
boy to
some kind of therapy, and the father said that yes, he would receive some
sort
of treatment, but that the best treatment against the trauma would be for
him to
be allowed to be home with his family here in Cuba.
Well, millions and millions of Cubans have taken part over the last few
weeks
in government-organized demonstrations in Havana, indeed all over the
country.
And I think that there is a sense of relief that all this may be over:
first of
all, because most people in Cuba regardless of their political persuasions
really do believe that this little boy belongs here with his family,
above all
other contributions, but also because over the last few weeks there has
been
nothing but talk about little Elian Gonzalez on state-run television, in
the
newspapers, on the radio. And I think people are relieved and are hoping
that
it will be over soon so that they can get back to their normal lives and
so that
also in the hopes that the political tensions between Cuba and its
northern
neighbor will also ease now that a decision has been made.
(END VIDEOTAPE)
ANNOUNCER: Still ahead on NEWSSTAND: She's moved out of the White
House, and the unpacking isn't the only thing waiting in her new home state.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: residence along 117, which is the main road
here. I
have good reason to be annoyed.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
ANNOUNCER: A "Reporter's Notebook" on Hillary's high-profile move, when
CNN
NEWSSTAND returns.
(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
PELTZ: Turning to campaign 2000, Democratic presidential contenders Al
Gore
and Bill Bradley squared off and came out squabbling this evening in New
Hampshire in the first of two debates they have scheduled for this week.
Preceding the event, combative campaign rhetoric and a big endorsement
for
the vice president.
More from CNN's Patty Davis.
(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)
PATTY DAVIS, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice over): Outside the Democratic
debate,
Gore and Bradley supporters braved bitter cold New Hampshire weather to
cheer
their candidates on.
Inside, the candidates were turning up the heat, former New Jersey
Senator
Bill Bradley accusing Vice President Al Gore of a Washington insider
mentality.
BILL BRADLEY (D), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: And when I hear you talk, Al,
it
reminds me of a Washington bunker, and I think you're in a Washington
bunker.
DAVIS: It was a contentious debate. Gore again proposed they drop all
TV
commercials, this time in New Hampshire, in favor of debate, calling that
a good
way for him as an underdog to compete in the state.
Bradley's refusal brought this barbed exchange.
BRADLEY: You know, Al, you're underdog pitch brings tears to my eyes.
AL GORE, VICE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: Well, I hope that my upset
victory brings tears to your eyes.
DAVIS: Gore and Bradley are running neck-and-neck in New Hampshire, so
it was
important for both to score points. Bradley accused Gore of deliberately
distorting his health-care proposal. Gore shot back that Bradley's plan
would
not cover many New Hampshire residents.
On the issue of gays in the military, both candidates said they would
eliminate the "don't ask, don't tell" policy. But Gore went a step
further,
saying he'd require a litmus test of his Joint Chiefs of Staff on the
issue.
GORE: I think that would require those who wanted to serve in -- on the
position of -- on the Joint Chiefs, to be in agreement with that policy.
DAVIS: Both admitted they had made mistakes in the past, Gore on his
campaign
fund raising telephone phone calls. The one mistake Bradley admitted to
brought
chuckles from the audience.
BRADLEY: I'll admit to a mistake. You know, I voted against Alan
Greenspan
the first time.
(END VIDEOTAPE) DAVIS: Although there was no clear victor in the
debate, it
gave voters a closer look at the two candidates, and revealed a sharper
edge in
the battle for the Democratic nomination.
Now as you have said, the two candidates will go head-to-head once
again on
Saturday, this time in lowa. And I just have to note, as you can see
behind me,
the Gore supporters are still out in force here trying to make their case
for
their candidate -- Perri.
PELTZ: Patty, it's hard to miss.
Al Gore endorsed today by Senator Ted Kennedy -- not a surprise, but a
endorsement. How significant, Patty, do you think that endorsement is?
DAVIS: Well, the Gore campaign is hoping that it will be very
significant.
Of course, Ted Kennedy being a very popular and very liberal senator in
this
part of the country, very well known in all parts of the country. They
are
hoping that that will help Gore shore up his liberal credentials, and
they are
hoping that will help him do better here in New Hampshire, where in some
polls
Bill Bradley is actually leading -- Perri.
PELTZ: All right, Patty Davis, thank you very much. Appreciate it.
And CNN plans live coverage of the next Democratic candidate debate,
sponsored by "The Des Moines Register." It's scheduled for Saturday
afternoon at
2:00 Eastern, 11:00 a.m. Pacific. And for more political coverage, log
on to
our campaign Web site, that is at allpolitics.com.
The president and first lady are spending tonight in another white
house, the
one they bought late last year in Chappaqua, New York. Hillary Rodham
Clinton
has moved many of her belongings out of 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue.
Spokesman Joe
Lockhart says she and Mr. Clinton are in the process of unpacking.
CNN's Gary Tuchman has more on the move in this "Reporter's Notebook."
(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)
GARY TUCHMAN, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Chappaqua is an upscale, quiet
community,
and it's really no big surprise that the Clinton's would want to move here
because many people who live near New York City would want to move here.
It's a
beautiful place to live.
It is changing the character of Chappaqua. You can tell they are ready.
People here are very used it being very quiet, they are used to their
solitude,
and now that the Clinton's are arriving there are of tourists coming, a
lot of
onlookers, a lot of news media.
Some of the people who live here in Chappaqua like it. They say it is
exciting, they are honored to have them here. Others just don't like the
Clintons, so you have a variety of opinions here in Chappaqua about the
Clintons
coming here.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: People in this town are annoyed, and I think to a
certain extent on our street have good reason to be annoyed. Not so much
because of the Clintons, but because of the attendant publicity that goes
along
with it.
TUCHMAN: They found a house they liked here in Chappaqua, New York,
about 30
miles north of New York City. It is a house that cost them 1.7 million
dollars.
They closed on it in November. Two months later they have now moved in.
It's
110 years old, and it is on a street called Old House Lane, and the
reason it's
named that is because of the house they moved into is that old house in
question.
But it is going to be retrofitted for this family. They're going to
have
Secret Service agents, they are going to have a tall fence, they are
going to
have guards, they are going to have a gate, and it's going to be a lot
different
for the Clintons than it was for the people who lived there before who
didn't
have any of those sorts of things.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
HILLARY RODHAM CLINTON, FIRST LADY OF THE UNITED STATES: Yes, I intend
to
run.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
TUCHMAN: Hillary Rodham Clinton, it appears, is very likely to run for
a U.S.
Senate seat in the state of New York. Symbolically, this is very
important for
Hillary Clinton. Law in New York says if you want to run for the U.S.
Senate,
you have to be a resident of New York state by election day, which would
be
November 7, 2000. Obviously, that would probably not be a good idea, it
wouldn't
look so good to the voters if you moved in at the last second. So the
beginning
of the election year, she moves into her new house in Chappaqua, New York.
She says she will spend some time in Washington, but she says she will
spend
most of her nights in this home in Westchester County, New York as she
runs for
the Senate in this state.
This was an interesting day. We were told yesterday that Hillary
Clinton
would be coming by herself this afternoon to start unpacking boxes, and
move
into her house in the afternoon. But today it was decided that a certain
guest
by the name of Bill Clinton would accompany her. So they ended up coming
at
night, they flew to Westchester County Airport not far away from here,
and the
president and his wife decided to spend the first official night in their
house
together. So they're going to unpack boxes tonight and sleep in this
house
together. And very interestingly, this is the first home in 17 years
they've
stayed in that they've owned.
(END VIDEOTAPE)
PELTZ: While the Clinton's marriage has always had some unconventional
aspects, their new living arrangements are virtually unprecedented in
presidential history.
Kathleen Koch looks at that, and the impact Mrs. Clinton's move may
have on
White House traditions.
(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)
KATHLEEN KOCH, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice over): Call it the start of a
modern
commuter marriage. This is the first time a first lady has primarily
lived
elsewhere while her husband was still in office. Some believe it means
important
causes will go unchampioned.
ELAINE CRISPEN, NANCY REAGAN'S PRESS SECRETARY: She has a bully pulpit
from
which she can have a very loud voice for projects that are of interest to
her
and to the American people. And I can't think of a better place to do it
than
from the White House.
KOCH: The White House insists the issues Hillary Rodham Clinton has
fought
for will be well-represented and well-funded in the president's budget.
As to the first lady's traditional role as White House hostess, when
Mrs.
Clinton is unavailable, officials insist functions there will remain
unaffected.
JOE LOCKHART, WHITE HOUSE PRESS SECRETARY: They will not be impacted in
any
severe way. We'll continue to do -- the president will continue to do
the job
that he was elected to do, and where we need to fill in, we'll fill in.
KOCH: And presidential spouses haven't always lived continuously under
the
White House roof.
CARL ANTHONY, HISTORIAN: Eleanor Roosevelt, during the years that she
was
first lady, had an apartment in Washington Square Park in New York City.
Jacqueline Kennedy rented and then built homes in the horse country of
Virginia,
where she would take these Thursday to Tuesday weekends, and just come
back to
the White House two or three days during the week.
KOCH (on camera): Historians say it is not Hillary Rodham Clinton's
move but
her Senate run that truly breaks new ground. Seen as the greatest
departure yet
from the traditional first lady's role, it opens new doors for future
presidential spouses.
(voice-over): So as the year goes on, there will be more moments like
these:
a president flying solo, a first lady just spreading her wings, with a
flight
plan only they know.
Kathleen Koch, for CNN, the White House.
(END VIDEOTAPE)
PELTZ: Now to other top stories, U.S.-brokered peace talks continue
between
Israel and Syria. Negotiators are meeting in a remote West Virginia
hotel,
where talks center on border changes, security measures and establishing
formal
diplomatic relations. No word of any progress as of yet.
At the same time, Israelis and Palestinians take one more step toward a
lasting peace, the withdrawal of more troops from the West Bank. It was
a quick
and unemotional handover, with the Israeli flag lowered one last time,
and the
Palestinian banner raised.
Rescue workers in Norway say there's no hope of finding any more
survivors in
the mangled wreckage of two passenger trains. Yesterday's high-speed
collision
killed at least 16 people. No one's sure exactly how many passengers
were on
board or how many bodies may yet be found.
And for the moment, it has stopped raining in Brazil, giving officials
time
to assess the damage from a week of downpours. Several cities are
flooded, at
least 28 people are dead, and tens of thousands are homeless. A number of
neighborhoods still are threatened by mudslides.
And coming up: a new threat of terrorism that could attack the United
States
from anywhere in the world.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
PIERRE THOMAS, CNN JUSTICE CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): The FBI computer
crime
caseload has doubled in each of the last two years. In October, the FBI
reported 800 pending cases, and the future may bring even more ominous
cyberthreats.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
PELTZ: CNN's Pierre Thomas on what the U.S. military is doing to
prevent the
increased threat of cyberterrorism.
(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
PELTZ: On the Pentagon's agenda for the 21st century, preparing for
cyberwarfare. Air Force General Richard Myers says cybertactics should
become
part of every commander's arsenal, along with more traditional weapons.
But the
incoming vice chairman on the joint chiefs of staff concedes there are
significant policy and legal issues to be sorted out before that can
happen.
Meantime, the U.S. Space Command, which Myers heads, has been tasked with
defending the Pentagon's computer networks from outside attacks.
Safeguarding
U.S. systems from electronic terrorism is a vital concern in the new
millennium.
With details, CNN Justice correspondent Pierre Thomas.
(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)
THOMAS (voice-over): 1997, Worcester, Massachusetts, a teenager uses his
computer to knock out communications at this air traffic control hour for
six
hours. March 1999, a programmer unleashed the Melissa virus, disabling
thousands of computers around the U.S. And the Pentagon is the target of
80 to
a hundred illegal hacking attempts each day. As a century begins,
cybercrime,
including electronic terrorism, no longer just a concept, now a reality
and a
potential threat to global security.
RICHARD CLARK, NATIONAL SECURITY COUNCIL: We've become dependent on
computer
networks. They run our electric power grid, our telecommunications
networks,
they run our railroads, our banking system, and all of them are
vulnerable on
some level, to some degree, of information warfare or cyberterrorism.
THOMAS: The Justice Department Michael Vatis heads the U.S. government's
efforts to protects its infrastructure.
MICHAEL VATIS, DIR., NATIONAL INFRASTRUCTURE PROTECTION CENTER, FBI:
There's
really a broad spectrum of people, groups and countries that engage in
cyberattacks as a general matter, for different purposes.
THOMAS: Terrorists, hostile nations, criminals, malicious hackers, a
wide
variety of threats creating new pressure for intelligence defense and law
enforcement around the world. In fact, the FBI computer crime caseload
has
doubled each of the last two years. In October, the FBI reported 800
pending
cases. And the future may bring even more ominous cyberthreats.
SEN. JON KYL (R-AZ), TECHNOLOGY, TERRORISM AND GOVT. INFO. SUBCOMMITTEE:
According to the National Security Administration, there are over a
hundred
countries that are working on techniques to penetrate our information
infrastructure. Many of them are aimed at the Defense Department and
high-security areas in both the private secretary and the government. So
it's a
very serious threat.
THOMAS: The Clinton administration's pointman on counterterrorism
confirms
planning for electronic assault is already under way.
CLARK: There are governments who are building units -- military units,
intelligence units -- to engage in information warfare. They are
developing
capabilities, they're building the units, and in some cases, they
appearing to
be doing reconnaissance on our computer networks.
THOMAS (on camera): A major advantage, cybercrime allows criminals to
use computer technology to inflict damage while simultaneously reducing the
risk of
retaliation.
VATIS: Our mission is to try to help protect the nations critical
infrastructures, and somebody sitting with a laptop computer and a modem
connection on the other side of the world can attack those things if they
don't
have good security.
RICHARD POWER, COMPUTER SECURITY INSTITUTE: Terrorists still prefer car
bombs, you know. A car bomb still has a lot more impact than a
cyberattack, but
there is always the possibility that somebody could make some kind of
dramatic
statement by bringing down an aspect of the infrastructure. THOMAS:
Nation's are
developing computer anti-hacking teams to block and investigate crimes in
cyberspace. But officials say, as technology rapidly advances, preventing
cybercrime and catching cybercriminals will only become tougher.
Pierre Thomas, CNN, Washington.
(END VIDEOTAPE)
ANNOUNCER: Still ahead, choosing your baby's sex. It's medically
possible,
but also controversial.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
DAVID MATTINGLY, CNN CORRESPONDENT (on camera): This entire process was
not
developed for people originally; it was developed for livestock.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: That's fine. That's good that it works for
animals. Good
for them.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
ANNOUNCER: The questions of science, ethics and the next generation,
when CNN
NEWSSTAND continues.
(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
PELTZ: For as long as people have been having babies, they've been
trying to
influence the outcome. Thanks to science, "boy or girl" isn't a
statement of
preference anymore, but can be an actual choice.
NEWSSTAND's David Mattingly reports on a new medical procedure that
significantly raises the odds for parents with a strong preference for a
boy or
a girl. The process is also raising ethical questions.
(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)
MATTINGLY (voice-over): From the first cry and the first breadth of
life,
babies are subject to our hopes and dreams, and in some cases, even our
expectations.
K. SAUNDY: When I first got pregnant, I hoped it was a girl, but I was
very
pleased that it was a boy.
MATTINGLY: Like so many first-time mothers, Kelly Saundy wanted a girl.
Still, at the arrival of healthy 8-pound, 12-ounce Allen, she was happy
and
consent to one day try again. But four years later, Kelly gives back
Kairon
(ph), 8 pounds and all boy. Again, she's happy, but something's missing.
So three-years later, now married to husband, Tarin (ph), Kelly is
praying
for a girl. MATTINGLY (on camera): Now the third child comes around.
This time
you're probably thinking the odds have got to be in my favor. And what
happens?
TARIN SAUNDY: It's a boy.
K. SAUNDY: We had to have it be a boy.
MATTINGLY (voice-over): In February, 1998, say hello to 8 pounds 7 1/2
ounce
Elijah.
Today the Saundy house is a while of activity, with three outgoing,
rambunctious boys. But because the third time wasn't the charm, mom and
dad are
ready to try yet again for that elusive firstborn girl.
K. SAUNDY: There's four men in this house now. I am a female, and I
have
four men. There's a lot of testosterone floating. I need a female. No,
it's
just a desire that I have, to raise a girl to a woman. I need that
partnership,
that companionship with a female. I really do.
MATTINGLY: But no matter how many times they try, the natural odds on
the
Saundy's getting either a boy or a girl are always 50-50.
So this time, the Saundys are among a growing number of families taking
part
in clinical trials of a controversial new procedure that could improve
their
odds of having a girl six times over having a boy.
K. SAUNDY: If we can increase the chances of having a girl, why not?
Why not
true it? Why not?
MATTINGLY: The procedure is called MicroSort Sperm Separation and is
offered
by the Genetics and In Vitro Fertilization institute in Fairfax, Virginia.
Sperm cells are tinted with a fluorescent dye, then zapped one by one
with a
laser and examined by computers. Under the laser, female sperm appear
brighter.
They carry the most genetic material, and so, the most dye. Then they are
sorted, collected, and the mother is inseminated with either the male or
female
sperm. This allows parents to determine the sex of their child before it
is
even conceived.
(on camera): The institute promotes MicroSort as a way to avoid genetic
diseases, like muscular dystrophy and hemophilia. Is there a genetic
disease in
the family linked to boys? Choose to have a girl. Or if it's balance
you're
after, say the family is already full of girls, simply choose to have a
boy.
DR. ALEC COMPERMAN (ph), MT. SINAI MEDICAL CENTER: For certain couples,
their
dream is to have a daughter or a son. For many couples, their dream is
just to
have a healthy child. But for the couple that has, for example three or
four
boys and they've always wanted a girl, I think a lot of excitement is
generated,
a lot of hope for them.
MATTINGLY (voice-over): Dr, Alec Comperman of New York's Mt. Sinai
Medical
Center, is among fertility specialists watching this development with
interest
and concern.
COMPERMAN: My first question is, has this been proven safe? Where's the
data
that suggests that this is a safe technique?
MATTINGLY: To find that data, you have to look to the federal
government, but
not to a hospital or university. This medical advancement came out of a
quiet
government lab north of Washington D.C., on a street called Animal
Husbandry
Road. It's here that in 1989, Dr. Lawrence Johnson and a team of
researchers at
the U.S. Department of Agriculture successfully devised a way to sort
sperm for
the purpose of making livestock operations more productive.
DR. LAWRENCE JOHNSON, USDA: The question that came up was, will this
process
that we have developed for livestock, will it also work for human sperm?
MATTINGLY: And the answer came when the Genetics and IBF Institute
adapted
Johnson's process, named it MicroSort, and in 1996, successfully used it
for the
first time with human sperm. The result was a baby girl, Jessica
Collins, seen
in this video provided to CNN NEWSSTAND by the Institute. Since Jessica,
the
institute reports 145 more MicroSort pregnancies. And so far, 67 health
babies.
KNOLLS: I think the question is, do we want this as a society? And I
think
the answer is no for a number of reasons.
MATTINGLY: Laurie Knolls, a bioethicist for the Hastings Institute, is
among
critics warning of potentially serious implications of gender selection
in parts
of the world where male children are valued more highly than females.
She is
also critical of the U.S. for lagging behind other Western nations by not
restricting the practice.
KNOLLS: This is only part of a series of developments that have either
occurred now or are soon to occur, all of which drive us toward designing
the
next generation that comes along, designing our children.
MATTINGLY: There are concerns throughout the medical community that
society
is not keeping up with the technology. After all, it wasn't that long
ago that
very little about child was known until the time of delivery. We had no
choice
but to play the hand we were dealt.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED ACTOR: Mary, I forgot to tell you, Jim wasn't at the office
today. He took Helen to the hospital.
UNIDENTIFIED ACTRESS: I don't know which of them will be satisfied. I
know
Helen has her heart set on a girl.
UNIDENTIFIED ACTOR: And I know Jim has his heart set on a boy.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
MATTINGLY: But now, it's not only possible to deal yourself a different
hand,
it may soon be possible to stack the deck.
KAPLAN: I think what we're going to see over the next 50, 100 years is
not
just gender selection, but all kinds of diseases that people may want to
eliminate or try to diminish the probability that they're going to
transmit to
their kids, and some traits that they may want to try and produce in their
children -- better memory, better vision, some might be stronger, maybe
even
issues about appearance.
MATTINGLY: Arthur Kaplan is director for the University of
Pennsylvania's
Center for Bioethics. He supports parents being allowed to choose traits
of
their children when technology becomes available. But he advocates
counseling
and education to make sure parents make informed choices.
KAPLAN: We could use some regulation to standardize informed consent.
People
should know what it costs, what the risks are of going through particular
techniques, is there any kind of inconvenience? What's it all about?
MATTINGLY: Administrators at the Genetics and IBF Institute declined to
be
interviewed for our story. Instead, they provided this tape containing
comments
from Institute's leading doctors, supporting gender selection and the
safety of
the MicroSort process.
DR. EDWARD FUGGER, MICROSORT: And we're finding the same results in
humans
that were found in the animals -- that the procedures and technologies
work, and
we have normal, healthy offspring.
MATTINGLY (on camera): How do you feel about that? This entire process
was
not developed for people originally; it was developed forward livestock.
K. SAUNDY: If it was cloning, I would be upset, but it's not cloning;
it's --
that's fine. It's good that it worked for animals. Good for them.
(LAUGHTER)
MATTINGLY: At first, the Saundys were concerned about possible health
effects
from the fluorescent dye process. There are no long- term studies on the
health
of children born through MicroSort. But several generations of healthy
livestock data helped sell them on the idea, and they recently underwent
their
first attempt to conceive a MicroSort-assisted girl.
(on camera): Do you have a name picked out this time?
K. SAUNDY: Yes, we do. He can't stand it. Kennedy. I love the name
"Kennedy," and he hates it.
MATTINGLY: Their biggest concern now, the cost. The price for a single
sort
and insemination is $3,200, and there are no guarantees that a pregnancy
will
occur. The MicroSort success rate is 73 percent for males, 90 percent for
females, leaving a 10 percent chance that a little Kennedy instead
becomes a
little Kevin.
MATTINGLY (on camera): What happens if you have a boy?
K. SAUNDY: Then you know what, that's what god wanted me to have,
that's just
what God meant for me.
MATTINGLY: Will you try again?
K. SAUNDY: Eventually, but not soon, not
T. SAUNDY: Probably wait until technology brings it up.
(LAUGHTER)
(END VIDEOTAPE)
PELTZ: Here's the latest: This week Kelly Saundy told us her first
attempt to
conceive through the MicroSort method did not work. She'd been warned
there's
only a 15 percent to 20 percent chance of conception with each attempt.
And
because it costs so much money, the Saundys are trying something else, the
advice in a $13 book called "How to Choose the Sex of Your Baby."
And coming up: at least some of the prices on Wall Street. We'll tell
you
what bounced back today, and about a government about-face that affects
people
who work from home and their employers.
(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
PELTZ: Following stock prices today may have given investors a bad case
of
whiplash.
Tony Guida is here now with our "MONEYLINE" update.
Crazy world, that Wall Street, Tony.
TONY GUIDA, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Yes, it was. I got such a crick in my
neck
you wouldn't believe it, Perri. It was a good idea to have shoulder and
lap
belts fastened today if you were trying to follow these markets.
Blue chips, which tanked yesterday, shot up as much as 216 points.
Then the
Dow pulled back for a comfortable 124 point gain, to 11, 122.
Tech stocks, which also tanked yesterday, looked pretty ugly again this
morning. The Nasdaq fell another 166 points, but the buyers came back in
the
afternoon. The composite finished just 24 points lower at 3877.
Only one way for bonds: down. The 30-year treasury lost more than a
point,
the yield rising to 6.63 percent.
You wouldn't have known this was a bad day for tech stocks if you were
focused on Apple Computer. Steve Jobs got a standing O from Apple fans
when he
announced he was all the way back, dropping the "interim" from his CEO
title.
Jobs also announced a new Internet strategy, hooking up with Earthlink.
Investors liked all the news, sending Apple shares up a $1.50.
Over at the Magic Kingdom, they're looking for some new tricks.
Earnings at
Disney were down 28 percent last year, and that is no "Fantasia." So
Michael
Eisner and the other mouseketeers are paying with their bonuses. The CEO
grabbed a $5 million bonus last year; this year, nothing. Same for the
other
brass. A short term hiccup, Eisner called 1999, and we all know how
annoying
hiccups can be.
A major reversal today by the Labor Department, which yesterday
indicated
companies must ensure the safety of the workplace, even if it is the
worker's
home.
Kelli Arena reports.
(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)
KELLI ARENA, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice over): Labor Secretary Alexis
Herman
did some serious backtracking, saying the government needs to examine
further
the changing nature of the workplace, and called for a national dialogue
with
business and labor leaders.
ALEXIS HERMAN, LABOR SECRETARY: We have laws in this country that say
that
employers are responsible for ensuring workplaces that are healthy and
safe.
What we don't have are new-policy guidance. We don't have new direction
for
this new work force of the future.
ARENA: The controversy was caused by a letter from officials at the
department's Occupational Safety and Health Administration to an employer
offering guidance on moving workers into home offices. Such
interpretation
letters carry weight in court, and businesses look to them for general
guidance.
Despite the letter's withdrawal, business groups say the issue remains
murky.
PATRICK CLEARY, NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF MANUFACTURERS: Until they come
out
and clearly state that the employer's obligation ends at the doorstep of a
person's home, I think no employer really will be able to rest easy.
ARENA: And labor lawyers say liability issues remain. For example, if
an
employer provides equipment for at-home use, or if an employee is
required to
work at home.
For voluntary at-home workers, the rules are a bit different.
ARTHUR SAPPER, MCDERMOTT, WILL & EMERY: The advice is hand the employee
a
pamphlet describing common hazards at home, inform the employee -- tell
the
employee that if he has any questions, he should ask the company safety
officer.
But at this point, at least until the dust has settled more, I would not
intrude
into the employees' home.
ARENA (on camera): It took OSHA nearly two years to respond to the
original
request for guidance, resulting in the letter that caused all the fuss.
Businesses hope this next phase does not take quite as long. Kelli Arena,
CNN
Financial News, Washington.
(END VIDEOTAPE)
GUIDA: That's our "MONEYLINE" update. For a complete look at the day's
business news, we invite you to join Willow Bay and Stuart Varney nightly
on
"MONEYLINE" at 6:30 p.m. Eastern Time, right here on CNN -- Perri.
PELTZ: Tony, thank you very much.
And it is now time for our look at executive workspaces, a segment the
we
call "Cool Digs." And it won't take you very long to figure out tonight's
digs
because it belongs to a sports fan. But guessing who it is may not be a
slam
dunk. So keep your eyes on the clues that NEWSSTAND's Natalie Allen
found, and
guess who works here.
(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)
NATALIE ALLEN, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice over): Welcome to the office of
a CEO
who makes a living watching professional sports. On his desk, a fax from
boxing
promoter Don King, memos from the Association of Professional Team
Physicians,
and a report of the company's ticket sales.
These snapshots from Utah remind this executive of his home state, but
his
favorite basketball team is the New York Knicks.
On this wall, a display case stocked with sports fan memorabilia. A
basketball signed by the NBA's All Stars. Down here, an Arena League
football.
The boss oversees Connecticut's New England Sea Wolfs.
In 1967, Muhammad Ali wore these brown boxing gloves in a fight against
Zora
Foley (ph). The gold gloves were promotional items from the 1974 Super
Fight 2 match between Muhammad Ali and Joe Frazier. The Women's Tennis Association
championships are played down the hall from the boss's office. And a true
artifact, a New York City Hawks football helmet.
Above the desk, a scrapbook of sorts. This grouping of the National
Basketball Association's 50 greatest players. Look closely -- you can
see the
signatures of the Karl Malone, Wilt Chamberlain, Michael Jordan and Magic
Johnson.
Next to the sofa, a book about the boss's mentor, the former New York
Knicks'
coach Red Holzman, and here a picture of his uptown office. The
Rockettes are
on the company payroll, too.
One sport he enjoys outside the office, baseball. This painting is a
signed
original by Norman Rockwell.
So which executive arrives to work ready to play? We will have the
final
score when CNN returns.
(END VIDEOTAPE) (COMMERCIAL BREAK)
(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)
ALLEN (voice-over): So who has a fax from Don King on his desk. It's
Dave
Checketts, the president and CEO of Madison Square Garden. In addition to
the
arena, he's also in charge of the New York Knicks, the New York Rangers
and the
WNBA's New York Liberty. Under Checketts' helm, Madison Square Garden
recently
bought another famous New York landmark, Radio City Music Hall.
(END VIDEOTAPE)
PELTZ: I didn't have a clue. Checketts' boss, who put him in charge of
the
Knicks and the Rangers, as well as Madison Square Garden, is Cablevision's
Charles Dolan, who appears to be the leading contender to buy yet another
New
York sports team, the Jets.
We'll be right back.
(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
PELTZ: We see lots of videotape everyday. And sometimes, the people
doing
the talking make their point clearly enough, or cleverly enough, their
stories
tell themselves, without much extra help. That's what makes them the
NEWSSTAND
soundbites.
(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)
WILLIAM J. CLINTON, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: A third of all our
schools need extensive repairs or replacement. I've been to schools not
only
with leaky roofs, but with window frames so old that if you try to power
wash
the windows, the glass would pop out, with electrical service so
inadequate that
if you plug a new computer into the wall, the circuit breaker cuts out.
We
can't expect our students to meet high academic standards if their
schools don't
even meet high building standards.
CHARLES LEWIS, CENTER FOR PUBLIC INTEGRITY ON PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN
DONATIONS: All of them are shocked that anyone would suggest that special
interests have any sway over them or that they take money, and all of them
pledge to change it. All I can tell you is special interests do have
substantial sway over them, they have influenced their decisions. There
is a
long track record here, and no one has been particularly candid on that
point.
(END VIDEOTAPE)
PELTZ: "SPORTS TONIGHT" is coming up next. Fred Hickman joins us from
the
CNN "Sports Illustrated" newsroom with a preview of what's ahead. Hi,
Fred.
FRED HICKMAN, CNN "SPORTS ILLUSTRATED": Hello. And 'tis the night
after the
Florida State big game. The Seminoles are still celebrating their
national
championship in college football. Bobby Bowden will spin us some
entertaining
yards, coming up. Mike Ditka, well, he is shown the door in New
Orleans. We're
going to here from Iron Mike. Plus, the league names a former grocery
store
stocking clerk, who also played in the Arena League, as its most valuable
player. Also college basketball sees a top five upset, and the return of
Spartan star Mateen Cleaves. That's all coming up on "SPORTS TONIGHT."
That's
all coming up next.
PELTZ: Sounds good. Fred, thank you very much.
HICKMAN: You're welcome.
PELTZ: Coming up tomorrow: the singing heart-throb from Hoboken, New
Jersey,
and no, it is not the one you think. Judd Rose introduces us to
Hoboken's other
favorite son, the one who says he sounded better than Frank Sinatra. He
is
singer Jimmy Roselli.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
JIMMY ROSELLI, SINGER: I think Sinatra had a great style, great voice,
but he
didn't have the pipes that Roselli had. Of course his managers told me
that
many times -- Franks says he wishes he had your pipes.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
PELTZ: Tales of Old Brown Eyes tomorrow at 10:00 p.m. Eastern.
I'm Perri Peltz. And good night from the NEWSSTAND.
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HEADLINE: Should Elian Gonzalez Return to His Father in Cuba?
GUESTS: Joan Brown Campbell, Roger Bernstein, Jeffrey Leving, Georgina
Cid-Cruz, John McCain, Marcia Clark, John Douglas, Theresa Saldana,
Andrea Evans
BYLINE: Larry King
HIGHLIGHT: Rev. Joan Brown Campbell of the National Council of Churches,
attorneys Roger Bernstein and Jeffrey Leving, and Georgina Cid-Cruz,
cousin of
Elian Gonzalez, discuss the Immigration and Naturalization Service's
decision to
return 6-year old Elian Gonzalez to his father in Cuba. A panel
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LARRY KING, HOST: Tonight, U.S. immigration officials say 6- year-old
Elian
Gonzalez belongs with his father and must be returned to Cuba. Joining us
from
New York to discuss this very controversial decision, the Reverend Joan
Brown
Campbell, who had dinner last night with Fidel Castro and Elian's dad,
from
Miami -- and Elian's dad was with her in Havana. From Miami, one of
Elian's
cousins. She wants the little boy to stay in the USA. From New
Hampshire,
Republican presidential candidate Senator John McCain.
And then, the murder of actress Rebecca Schaeffer was a wake-up call
about
stalking, but that threat still looms in many lives. Marcia Clark
prosecuted
Schaeffer's killer. She'll join us to talk about anti-stalking action.
We'll
also hear from actress Theresa Saldana, survivor of a horrifying knife
attack,
and actress Andrea Evans, who spent a decade hiding from a stalker. It's
all
next on LARRY KING LIVE.
We begin with Reverend Joan Brown Campbell, just landed in New York from
Cuba, where she spent last night with Fidel Castro and with Elian's
father and
grandfather.
Reverend Campbell, were you surprised about this decision by immigration
today?
REV. JOAN BROWN CAMPBELL, NATIONAL COUNCIL OF CHURCHES: No. We
actually had
gotten word that this decision would be made. But it feels a lot
different when
you hear the actual decision being announced.
KING: And I gather you agreed with it?
CAMPBELL: We feel that it's the fair and just decision.
KING: Why did you go to Cuba?
CAMPBELL: Sorry, I didn't quite hear that.
KING: Why did you go to Cuba?
CAMPBELL: We went to Cuba in order to see the family. Our feeling was
-- we
were asked, essentially, by the churches in Cuba if we would come and
visit.
Our feeling was that the families here had gotten a lot of information
out to
the public, but that very few people really knew about Elian's family in
Cuba.
KING: So did you go, Reverend Campbell, with a preconceived - you can't
hear
me?
CAMPBELL: I can't hear you. We're going to have to
KING: Just push it in your ear, if it's falling out.
CAMPBELL: It's fine. We got it.
KING: OK. Did you go to Cuba with a preconceived notion to favor the
father?
CAMPBELL: No, I wouldn't say so. I think that what we did was to go
feeling
that we needed to know the father, we needed to know that family and to
see what
it is we might be able to say as a third party about that family.
KING: Would you say if you had doubts about the father you would have
so told
us?
CAMPBELL: Yes, I would have done that. I think you know me. I think I
would
have said that. The fact of the matter is, this is a good father, and
the INS
has done several investigations. They agree he's a good father. And
it's a
wonderful, loving family. There's grandparents, great grandparents,
aunts,
uncles, a full complement of a family there.
KING: We're looking at the father now in Havana.
Critics, Reverend Campbell, say that the National Council of Churches
is a
very liberal element of Christianity and is preconceived to favor things
like
this, had always been kind of pro-Castro, in and sense. How do you
respond?
CAMPBELL: I think we're pro-child. I think this doesn't have to do with
being pro-Castro or pro-Cuba. We believe very strongly that the child
needs to
grow up in the family where he was born, and there is every evidence they
can
emotionally support him, and economically they will have no difficulty
taking
care of him. I think in this country we would automatically say, when
you have
a wonderful, loving family, that's where the child gets the best
possibilities.
KING: Logically, Reverend Campbell, since you know the benefits of the
United
States, did you at all try to convince the father to move here?
CAMPBELL: No, we didn't do that at all. That was not what we figured
was our
task to do. What we did was to ask the father to talk to us, about the
little
boy, about his relationships, about the relationships within the family.
To me
-- I have to just tell one incident. The mother of the mother who was --
who
died on the sea
KING: The grandmother.
CAMPBELL: The grandmother. She was -- had the most poignant statement,
when
she said, I've lost my daughter, and all I have left is my grandson,
Elian. And
I want very much for him to be raised by his father. And that's
KING: What did Premier Castro say?
CAMPBELL: He wasn't there during this discussion. We had a -- last
night was
really a sort of celebration dinner, a chance for us to have an informal
time
with him. But we had six hours with the family without any Cuban
government
officials being there at all. We had requested that. It was granted to
us.
And at the end of the interview, I asked the father, if he had anything
to say
to me privately, and unfortunately I am not a Spanish speaker -- I --
myself
and an interpreter asked him what he had to say in absolute confidence.
KING: The Immigration officials did ask him to come to the United
States to
get the child. Does he plan to do that?
CAMPBELL: I don't know. I think he is obviously willing to be
cooperative, if that's helpful. He does not want to find himself
embroiled in a
long legal battle. And he doesn't want to do anything that would make
Elian's
life have to face another trauma. I think he is somewhat fearful that
that
might happen if he came here.
KING: Reverend, you remain with us.
When we come back, we'll be joined by Elian Gonzalez's cousin in Miami,
a
lawyer representing him in Miami and a lawyer who filed on behalf of the
father.
He'll be in Chicago. They'll all join us, along with Reverend Campbell,
and
later we'll get the thoughts of John McCain, and then our panel on
stalking.
The Doles, Elizabeth and Robert, on Friday night.
We'll be right back.
(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
KING: We're with Reverend Joan Brown Campbell, former general secretary
National Council of Churches, just back from Havana.
We're now joined in Miami by Georgina Cid-Cruz. She is Elian Gonzalez's
cousin in Miami, desirous of him staying there. In Chicago is Jeffrey
Leving.
He's a famed custody attorney, normally representing the father in custody
hearings all over the United States, and he filed a brief on behalf of
Elian's
father. And in Miami is Roger Bernstein, who represent -- Roger, are you
the
attorney for Elian? What is your position in all of this?
ROGER BERNSTEIN, IMMIGRATION ATTORNEY: Yes, I am one of the attorneys
who
represents Elian Gonzalez and also Lazaro Gonzalez in the capacity for
Elian.
KING: They had-to appoint you, right?
BERNSTEIN: Yes, they signed a notice of representation that we act on
their
behalf, yes.
KING: And Lazaro is who?
BERNSTEIN: Lazaro is Elian's great uncle.
KING: OK. What is the precedent for giving this child to an uncle or a
cousin?
BERNSTEIN: Well, it's a custody determination that is made by INS,
whereby
the parents are not physically present in the United States, and the INS
has the
discretion to parole a child into the custody of a relative.
So that's why the decision that -- and they made a determination that
the
home was fit, that Lazaro and his relatives were loving parents, and that
it was
proper to put them into the custody of the family.
KING: Just so I understand it legally, Roger, do you appeal this
immigration
decision today, or is the courts a separate matter?
BERNSTEIN: Well, we -- first of all, Larry, we asked the attorney
general of
the United States to review this decision. This decision is
unprecedented.
I've been dealing with asylum issues for 10 years. This is the first
time where
a child has requested asylum, that the claim is summarily dismissed. And
in Cuba
-- and we are in a position now where the child will be returned to
Cuba. This
is an irrevocable decision, whereby Elian's rights cannot be heard.
KING: But Elian didn't make the request?
BERNSTEIN: Elian did make the request, and Lazaro, as the custodian for
Elian, did make the request.
KING: But Elian himself didn't say -- I mean, he's 5, 6 years old.
BERNSTEIN: Elian has stated that he wants to remain in the United
States, but
it brings me to a very important point, Larry. The guidelines that INS
has
issued on representing a child in the asylum context -- I'm sorry, my
earplug
keeps popping out -- specifically states, when a child is too young to
articulate that decision, the INS is obligated to consider all of the
evidence,
not just the testimony of the father
KING: I see.
BERNSTEIN: but to hear all the evidence. And that would include psychological examinations, talking to
witnesses that -- talking to
relatives in
Miami that also can speak to the coercion that believe the father is
KING: I got you. Let me -- while we fix your earphone, let me speak to
Jeffrey Leving in Chicago.
Jeffrey, where do you stand now? You have won the immigration. What --
do
you wait for what the attorney general says? What's your side do now?
JEFFREY
LEVING, CUSTODY ATTORNEY: Well right now, I am waiting to talk to the
American
coalition for fathers and children, to see if they want me to file an
additional
amicus brief based on what has recently occurred, and I intend to discuss
that
matter with them. They are my client. I filed the amicus brief on their
behalf.
And INS agreed with my amicus brief. And I am have very, very happy.
And I
think the child's best interests will be served.
But the real issue here is, nobody in the United States has standing to
make
any legal decisions concerning the immigration status of this young child
nobody, and that's the issue.
KING: If the other side appeals, do -- will we eventually have a court
hearing, other than this Immigration hearing?
LEVING: My feeling right now is that INS made a decision, and I believe
the
boy will go back to his father in Cuba. I don't think there is any legal
strategy or maneuvering that can change or will change the ins decision.
KING: You expect, though, to be legal strategy and maneuvering, don't
you?
You don't expect this boy to go back tomorrow?
LEVING: Well, unfortunately, I don't expect the boy to go back
tomorrow. And
the information I was given prior to this show, that some type of
pleading for a
temporary restraining order would be filed in court to prevent the child
from
being sent back to Cuba, and that was the information I was given. But
the
reality of it is, the INS clearly decided that no one has standing in the
United
States to do anything here, and the only one with legal authority is the
father.
BERNSTEIN: I'd like to respond.
KING: Georgina -- hold it, let me ask Georgina first.
Georgina, you are Elian's cousin, are you not?
GEORGINA CID-CRUZ, ELIAN GONZALEZ'S COUSIN: Yes.
KING: Do you know Elian's father.
CID-CRUZ: Yes I know him. I lived over there for 10 years before
coming over
to Miami.
KING: Is he a good father.
CID-CRUZ: I don't know how he was with his son. I would believe that
he is a
good father. I don't know, because when I left Cuba, I was 10, and he
was about
12 or 13, more or less, so I don't know how he is now.
KING: Why do you want the boy to stay in Miami, because you must have
some
feelings that a father and a son kind of belong together?
CID-CRUZ: OK, first of all
KING: I mean, logically, a father and son belong together.
CID-CRUZ: OK, first of all, I agree with you that the father and son
should
be together, but Cuba is not like United States. You don't have liberty
there.
This boy is not going to have liberty to say what he feels. He's not
going to
have things that here are normal for a 6- year-old, he's not going to
have it
there. And the most important thing -- and I think people are forgetting
this
-- is that his mom left Cuba because there was a reason for her to leave
Cuba,
because she wasn't happy there. She left, bringing the boy over. In
that, she
risked her, died, went through a lot, OK. And left the boy at the mercy
of God,
OK, for him to come over here. What he has gone through, it's not even
KING: Would you -- I understand. Georgina, would you be happiest if the
father came to the United States? Would that make you the happiest?
CID-CRUZ: I would be very happy if he would come to the United States.
I
would be very happy if he could stay in the United States with Elian.
KING: Yes, that's what I mean, yes.
CID-CRUZ: Yes.
KING: And, Reverend Campbell, by the way, did the father know that the
mother
was taking the child to the United States?
CAMPBELL: No, he didn't know, and not only did he not know, but the
grandparents didn't know either. So it came as a total shock to them.
And the
way the father found out that he was here I think is an important piece
of the
story. He was called by a doctor in a hospital in Miami.
CID-CRUZ: That's not true, I'm sorry. That's not true. Can I talk?
KING: Hold it. We'll let her
CAMPBELL: How about you let me finish?
KING: Hold on, reverend.
Georgina, do you know how the father found out?
CID-CRUZ: The father called my house, OK, and spoke to my mother to
tell her
to please find out where Elian and his mother were because he didn't know.
KING: I see.
CID-CRUZ: OK. And that's how we started to find out where were they,
until
we heard on the news that they found him in the sea.
KING: I got you.
CAMPBELL: Yes, and
KING: All right, I understand. Both sides are correct. All right,
hold on.
Hold on.
We'll take a break, and we'll be right back. Don't go away.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
DORIS MEISSNER, INS COMMISSIONER: The father made it very clear during
both
of these meetings that he wants Elian returned to him as soon as possible.
Based on these meetings, INS believes that the father is expressing his
true
wishes, and therefore, we have determined that Elian should be reunited
with his
father.
(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
KING: Reverend Campbell, can you understand the feelings of the family
represented by Georgina tonight in Miami?
CAMPBELL: I certainly can. I think that I understand the feelings. I
happen
to believe that children do better when they are brought up in the home
in which
they were born. I think that there's a full complement of family members
here
-- grandparents, great grandparents, uncles. The father is married
again, has a
new baby. There's wonderful pictures of Elian around the house. We saw
the room
where he sleeps, the school where he goes to school, and I brought back
to him
notes from his friends in school, the other little 6-year- olds, who are
worried
about whether or not he's going to catch up with his mathematics. Every
indication is that it's good situation for him.
KING: Georgina, did not the mother put the boy in peril?
CID-CRUZ: I'm sorry, I don't understand.
KING: Did not the mother put the boy in peril? I mean, that boy was
lucky to
be alive.
CID-CRUZ: The boy is lucky to be alive, because if it wouldn't have
been for
that mother that put him in that innertube, he wouldn't be here, and for
those
people that saved his life, the fishermen, he wouldn't be here. So I
wonder
what would have happened if he would have died, you know, because this is
just
God's wishes. God wanted him to be here.
KING: All right. So your position, Georgina, is you think he should be
with
his father but the father should be in the United States?
CID-CRUZ: That's right.
KING: All right. And Reverend Campbell's position is the father can be
where
he wants to be and the father is entitled to the boy.
CID-CRUZ: But Larry, but the father
(CROSSTALK)
We're not sure that the father
KING: One at a time. One at a time. Reverend, hold on. Georgina, what?
CID-CRUZ: OK. We don't know that the father wants to be over there
because
the father can be told -- can be being told what to say.
KING: OK. How do you know, Reverend Campbell, that the father was
being open
with you? He's in a dictatorship.
CAMPBELL: Well, I'll tell you why I think that -- the INS agreed with
this,
and they interviewed him two or three times. We were with the family for
quite
a long period. And it's not just father. It's that large family that is
there
waiting for this little boy.
And you know, you can arrange a lot of things, but it's very hard to
arrange
human emotion. And it's very clear
KING: Roger -- all right. Hold on, reverend.
Roger, would you say that the odds are now, based on this, against you
keeping this boy here?
BERNSTEIN: The odds are not against us, Larry. The odds are on the
side of
justice. And all we're asking is to have Elian's case be heard.
Reverend Campbell could interview Elian's father in Cuba a hundred
times and
he still could not speak freely. That is the point.
KING: All right. Roger, are you a father?
BERNSTEIN: Yes, I am a father.
KING: Would you relinquish your boy to someone, to a cousin?
BERNSTEIN: No, and if I -- I would -- if I were the father, I would go
to all
ends of the earth to be with that boy. It speaks volumes, Larry, that he
is not
here with the boy. If.
KING: All right. And Jeffrey in -- please don't interrupt. Jeffrey
Leving in
Chicago, what about that point? Why don't we just settle this? The
father
should want to be with the boy. There's family everywhere. Why -- the
father
is allowed to come here. Immigration's given a visa, right? Why doesn't
he just
come?
LEVING: Well, this is a very complicated case. And who knows? Maybe the
father may not have the freedom to come here. But that isn't the issue.
The
issue is what is in the best interests of helping this boy get through a
horrible trauma. This boy just watched his mother drown. This boy is
grieving.
This boy needs stability. And how can this boy get the psychological and
emotional stability he needs to get through this grieving process?
(CROSSTALK)
Through familiarity -- let me talk. Through familiarity. And how can
he get
that familiarity? By being with his biological father, because he
recognizes
his biological father as his primary caretaker who
(CROSSTALK)
KING: Georgina, can.
(CROSSTALK)
BERNSTEIN: (UNINTELLIGIBLE) political reality, Larry, to believe that
Elian
could be treated in a -- in a -- without exploitation.
KING: But Roger, you can't ask Elian, right? A 6-year-old is going to
make
the decision on who gave him candy today, right? I mean, we know that.
BERNSTEIN: We understand that. But the point is the guidelines provide
if a
person is not of the age where they can speak that other people may speak
on
their behalf. Experts may speak on their behalf. Psychological
KING: But Immigration denied that, right?
BERNSTEIN: Immigration
KING: Do you expect -- do you think the attorney general
BERNSTEIN: Immigration
KING: Roger, you've got to let me finish the question.
BERNSTEIN: Go ahead.
KING: Do you think the attorney general might overrule?
BERNSTEIN: I think the attorney general should certainly overrule. We
have
provided her with regulations that the INS is not abiding by.
When a person comes into this country, a minor, they have the right if
there
is -- the benefit of the doubt has to be given to the minor. If they --
if in
any way they say they're afraid, they should be given a hearing.
KING: Let me tell our audience. We have a complete program planned
tonight
on stalking. We're going to do that at the bottom of the hour. But
obviously,
this deserves more attention. We intend to give it more attention.
We thank our guests. Reverend -- Senator McCain is standing by in New
Hampshire with his comments on this touchy, tough issue, and we plan to
do more
on it. We do have a stalking issue coming at the bottom of the hour with
four
prominent guests to discuss it. So I'm going to talk to Senator McCain.
We
thank our guests. We will do more on this. We'll take a break, come
back with
Senator McCain and get into his thoughts. Don't go away.
(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
KING: We now welcome to LARRY KING LIVE Senator John McCain. He is a
candidate for his party's nomination for the presidency. And he is the
United
States senator from Arizona. He appears here tonight as a senator and a
father.
This is, I'm sure you'll agree, Senator, a dilemma?
SEN. JOHN MCCAIN (R-AZ), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: No, I don't think so,
Larry.
You know, I was just thinking
KING: A father and a child is not a dilemma?
MCCAIN: I was just thinking while I was listening to your other guests
they have a saying -- a slogan at the Statue of Liberty. It says: "Send
me your
poor, your tired, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free," yearning
to
breathe free. That's what Elian's mother was doing when she literally
sacrificed her life so that her son could breathe free. And she gave her
life
so that he might have freedom.
I don't know why his father didn't know about it or anybody else in the
communist hierarchy didn't know about it. But clearly, this young man
deserves
freedom. He deserves not to be sent back to a totalitarian, oppressive,
repressive government.
KING: All right. And what
MCCAIN: And -- and finally, could I -- could I just mention
KING: Sure.
MCCAIN: He is a young man who I think deserves that opportunity. And
only
criminals, only criminals so far have ever been sent back to Cuba.
KING: What, senator, does the father deserve?
MCCAIN: I think the father deserves the ability to come to the United
States.
I don't know why he hasn't. And I wish that he would be able to do
that. But
this young man deserves to grow up in a free and open society and have the
bounties and beauties of freedom rather than living in a country where
Fidel
Castro has decided that their young women would sell themselves in order
to have
hard currency for his regime to stay in power.
KING: So then you -- in a sense, you would encourage children to run
away
from their parents in oppressed countries, get on boats any way you can,
get
over here, and we'll take you in. Forget your mother or your father, get
here.
MCCAIN: If children want to achieve freedom, which they attempted to do
--
that's why they built the Berlin Wall, Larry. That's why we all know that
if
Castro ever let them loose, there would be a sign that said, "Last one
out turn
out the lights."
KING: What if the father is
MCCAIN: I think the people deserve freedom. It's the most precious of
all
commodities.
KING: What if the father is a lover of Cuba, likes Fidel, likes where he
lives, likes the country and wants his son?
MCCAIN: If he is that way, he is one in a few million and then he's
part of
the communist hierarchy. We all know that -- we saw at the Mariel boat
lift
when Castro let people leave, they left in -- by the hundreds of
thousands.
KING: Would you
MCCAIN: Look, this is a cruel, oppressive, repressive government that
has
condemned their people to poverty. You know that -- why doesn't Castro
empty
out his political prisoners? Why doesn't he allow a free election?
Because he
knows he'd be out in a New York minute.
Look, young people -- Andy Grove, the head of Intel, left by himself as
a
young teenager from a communist country and escaped from behind the Iron
Curtain. Ask Andy if he thinks he should have stayed with his father or
come to
the land of opportunity. There's nothing more precious than freedom.
KING: By the way, John, would you say -- would you say the same thing
if this
were a Chinese boy with a father in China?
MCCAIN: Sure. Yes indeed.
KING: Kosovo boy with a boy in Belgrade, Yugoslavia?
MCCAIN: Yes, sir.
KING: Any oppressive -- boy in North Korea?
MCCAIN: North Korea more than anything, because the chances of staying
alive
aren't very good.
KING: All right. Any country in -- any country in the world that in
your
opinion has a despotic regime, including China
MCCAIN: Yes, sir.
KING:
we should keep that child if the child got here in these
circumstances?
MCCAIN: Especially if the mother died -- died! -- gave her very life
trying
to bestow freedom on that child. I think -- I don't understand why that
isn't
put into this equation. KING: What -- why -- so Immigration, though,
they've got
to rule on the ruling, right? If they deem him a fit father, maybe
they'd have
no course -- no other course but to go this way? Is that possible?
MCCAIN: But strange enough -- but strangely enough, as you know, as I
mentioned, only criminals have been returned to Cuba. During the Cold
War,
there was a Ukrainian boy, of Russian Ukrainian parents, and they tried
to bring
him back behind the Iron Curtain. He sued and was able to gain his
freedom. I
wonder if that isn't some sort of precedent.
As you know, I'm not a lawyer, but I mean, humanity dictates that the
real
option is to allow the father to come freely to the United States.
KING: And that would be your personal request tonight. We're seen in
Cuba.
Let the father come here?
MCCAIN: Absolutely, and no reprisals or threats against other members
of the
family who will remain behind, which is a common action on the part of
Fidel
Castro and his thugs.
KING: So there's no doubt in your mind that you're urging then -- I
don't
want to put words in your mouth. You're urging Attorney General Reno to
overturn this decision?
MCCAIN: Absolutely. In the name of freedom and democracy, and the
opportunity to live in, as I say, in the most bountiful and beautiful
nation in
the world, which so many people have achieved in getting away from
totalitarian
governments.
KING: Thanks, Senator. We look to call upon you again in many areas.
MCCAIN: Thank you, Larry, it's great to be with you.
KING: Always good seeing you, Senator John McCain.
When we come back, the problem of stalking, and what to do about it.
Right
after this.
(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
KING: Welcome back to LARRY KING LIVE.
Joining us now from Los Angeles, Teresa Saldana, the actress who was
herself
a victim of stalking. Also Andrea Evans, who appears on CBS's "The Bold
and the
Beautiful," a stalking victim. Marcia Clark, the famed prosecutor in the
O.J.
Simpson trial, who successfully prosecuted Robert Bardo. He was
convicted of
murdering actress Rebecca Schaeffer ten years ago, and we'll discuss how
that
case spurred anti-stalking legislation in California and elsewhere. And
joining
us here in Washington is John Douglas, the former FBI profiler. He's
written
many books, the most recent of which is "Obsession," published two years
ago by
Scribners, about stalkers, domestic violence, and rape cases.
First, by definition, Marcia, legally, what is stalking?
MARCIA CLARK, PROSECUTOR IN REBECCA SCHAEFFER MURDER TRIAL: Well, it
depends
on how -- that's such a good point, actually. Stalking people -- think of
it as
somebody who is following them around, and somebody who is lurking
around, and
always being where the other person is. That is indeed stalking.
Another aspect of it, and one that we have legally defined as a crime,
is
defined as a terrorist threat, which is the ability to communicate
threats and
impending danger, and the intent to inflict impending danger, on a
victim, on a
chosen victim.
KING: That makes
CLARK: And that would qualify also.
KING: All-right.
John, can I follow someone tomorrow everywhere they go, keeping a pace
behind
them, making no threats of any kind, just follow them? Can I?
JOHN DOUGLAS, FORMER FBI PROFILER: No, I don't think you can. It would
be
harassment. I mean, you don't have to have a -- you don't have to have a
verbal
type of threat. If your -- if the perception is that you're putting fear
in
this person, this person fears the behavior of you stalking them,
following
them
KING: You can stop that?
DOUGLAS: Sure, you can stop that.
KING: Theresa, can you briefly tell us again -- we were going to do an
hour
tonight, and we are limited to a half hour -- you were attacked by a man
named
Arthur Jackson in 1982, who stabbed you 18 times. Did you know Arthur
Jackson?
THERESA SALDANA, ACTRESS: I did not know Arthur Jackson. I didn't know
anything about him. I was an actress, and I didn't know anything about
him
until he contacted my manager Selma Rubin a couple of days before the
attack,
and then I was stabbed.
KING: When he contacted her, what did -- there he is. When he
contacted her,
what did he want?
SALDANA: He was -- he was portraying to Selma Rubin that he was various
people. He claimed to be someone who assisted Martin Scorsese, the
director,
who I had worked with. He claimed to be various people in the
show-business
industry, and he basically tried to trick her into giving my address.
Instead,
he tricked a family member of mine into giving my actual address. And
when I
called the police -- at that time because so little was known about
stalking and
these kind of threats, which were so real and are so real -- the police
advised
me to do nothing, and they figured it was just a harmless crush or a
harmless
fan.
KING: And he was -- would you guess -- do we know he was obsessed with
you?
SALDANA: Yes, we know he was obsessed. He remains obsessed to this day.
KING: In prison?
SALDANA: And in fact, he's -- he's not in prison. He's in a
mental-health
facility in England, and it's highly subjective as to whether he will or
will
not be released in his life time.
KING: You still fear him?
SALDANA: Do I fear him? I fear him not...
KING: Yes, if he got out you would fear him?
SALDANA: If he were out I would be fearful of him, yes, very much so.
KING: Andrea Evans, now on CBS's "The Bold and the Beautiful," had to
give up
her role on "One Life to Live" 10 years ago. What happened? You will
not tell
us the name of your stalker, by the way -- why not?
ANDREA EVANS, ACTRESS: I would rather not give him the press that so
many
stalkers do this kind of thing to achieve, and in my case...
KING: So he was not charged? He was not -- there was no criminal case?
EVANS: He was mentally incompetent to stand trial. I couldn't
prosecute him.
KING: What happened to you, Andrea?
EVANS: Well, basically, I was terrorized by this man forever. He saw me
on
television. He became obsessed. He -- at times when he -- when I
refused to
see him or whatever, at one point he slashed his wrists on the front
steps of
the studio where I was working. He would send hateful mail. Basically
made my
life very uncomfortable, especially because I had no law to protect me
and could
not have him put away until he harmed me, which is what I was informed by
the
police.
KING: And how did he harm -- did he harm you in the end?
EVANS: Only emotionally. He never physically harmed me. We did come
face to
face on a number of occasions, but I was fortunate enough to get away.
KING: How then were you able to have him committed? EVANS: I could only
have
him committed in the state of New York where this took place for 60 to 90
days
at a time. Then he would be released and come after me again.
KING: Where is he now?
EVANS: I don't exactly know nor do I want to.
KING: But are you worried? Do you worry daily that he could come back
into
your life?
EVANS: I don't worry daily, no, and I have not heard from him in a
while.
But I think when something like this happens to you, it's always in the
back of
your mind. There's always a fear. But I think you have to find a way to
go on
with your life, which I have done again. As you mentioned, I am back
working on
CBS right now.
KING: And congratulations.
Marcia, is this a tough general prosecution? Yes, I mean, obviously
murder
isn't. But is this -- if you stalk someone, if you make threats but
don't do
anything about them, is it tough to put them away?
CLARK: Not anymore, thank goodness. At least in California I can say
that we
have a very good stalking law that prohibits terrorist threats or making
threats
of danger, impending danger to a person, whether you intend to carry them
out or
not. The important thing being that the threat appear to be serious,
appear to
be one that you intend to carry out, and that the target of the threat is
indeed
put in fear. And with all of those elements shown
KING: And what can the penalty be?
CLARK: I'm sorry?
KING: What can the penalty be? If convicted.
CLARK: It's what we call a wobbler. It can either be a misdemeanor or a
felony state prison sentence, depending on the severity of the conduct.
But I would say what Andrea is talking about, you know, in denying the
publicity to the stalker, is an important thing if it can be accomplished.
Obviously, Theresa could not have done that in her case.
KING: Yes.
CLARK: But that is what they're looking for, Larry, they're looking to
become
famous by association.
KING: Yes.
John, isn't a lot of stalking, lovers who are turned down, boyfriends,
husbands, and ex-wives? DOUGLAS: Right, that is the majority of the cases
in
this country. At any given moment in this country, we have over 200,000
people
who are being stalked. At the end of the year we'll have about 1.4
million
people who are being stalked.
KING: Being stalked?
DOUGLAS: Being stalked.
KING: What percentage of the stalkers are male?
DOUGLAS: Eighty percent. Eighty percent are male, and very, very few
are the
types of cases that we're talking about right here.
KING: That's rare, what we are hearing?
DOUGLAS: That's rare, the celebrity-type stalking. The problem is
today, I
mean, if you go on -- I looked yesterday on some of the Web sites, and
some of
the actresses today they have their own Web_sites. You can have chats
with
these actresses, they'll sent you autographed photographs of themselves.
You
can hire a PI out in California or anywhere else and they can gather
intelligence information on these particular celebrities. So
KING: You can communicate where in the past you couldn't?
DOUGLAS: That's right. It's very, very easy.
KING: Does that reduce the stalking effect?
DOUGLAS: No, it doesn't, no, it doesn't, It increases
KING: Increases?
DOUGLAS: increases the stalking effect.
But the everyday cases, everyday we will pick up
KING: What's a typical case?
DOUGLAS: Typical case is, it's a domestic type of case. It's a
relationship
between a husband, a wife, a boyfriend, girlfriend, a live-in lover, then
there's a breakup here. But what's interesting about the offender, the
offender
is a real control freak. He usually enters into the relationship like
Prince
Charming on the white horse, and he showers the potential victim with
gifts,
with flowers and with candy. But then he begins to change. He begins to
become
very controlling. And some of the cases I have had, the subject wanted
to have
book -- keep book on his girlfriend to see how many miles she put on the
car,
how much money she spent. And then finally there's this abusiveness, and
if a
woman
KING: Becomes obsessive?
DOUGLAS: Becomes obsessive, and if the woman stays in the relationship,
in
the research I was doing at the University of Pennsylvania, now -- where
the
woman now is being slapped around, being manually strangled.
KING: Taking it.
DOUGLAS: If the woman does not get out of that relationship, you're
going to
be working a homicide case in the future.
KING: We'll come back with more on this -- at any time now -- how many
people
can be stalked tonight?
DOUGLAS: About 200,000.
KING: Whew.
We'll be right back on LARRY KING LIVE, don't go away.
(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
KING: Marcia Clark, was -- was -- to be direct, was O.J. Simpson a
stalker?
CLARK: No, not in the classic sense that you're talking about here,
although
in some sense, yes. When you talk about a stalker in his context, it's
what you
guys were just talking about: the more average -- I hate to say average
in this
context -- but you know, the more mundane boyfriend stalking girlfriend,
ex-husband stalking wife. In that sense, I believe he did to some extent,
yes.
KING: But that can lead to violence, John, as well, right? And it can
lead
against actresses or against boyfriend-girlfriend?
DOUGLAS: Sure. I assisted Daniel Petrocelli in the civil case in that,
and I
went through the entire case, and to me, it had the classic signs of
stalking.
Remember, he was watching through a window of Nicole having sex with some
guy on
the couch. He beat her around. He slapped her. He strangled her. These
are
the precursors for future violence.
KING: Theresa, are there things, as you think back, you could have done?
SALDANA: Yes, I think that there are many things that the average
person can
do.
KING: Like?
SALDANA: And I think that's very, very important. I think too much is
accessible. Of course, we have the Internet and everything else. But for
example, when you go to a supermarket and someone asks for your number,
you
don't have to give out your number. You don't have to give out all of
this
pertinent information about you. You don't have to share so much
information
with other people.
And I know many -- I know quite a few friends in my own circle who are
not in
the entertainment industry who have had problems with stalker-like
people. And
I think the:key here is to maintain your privacy as much as possible, to
keep
things to yourself, to encourage your children, your kids to do the same,
to not
be so much giving of information.
Simple information can lead to very deadly, grisly acts. And I think
it's
important that whatever field you're in or not in, that you maintain your
privacy and encourage your family to do the same thing. That's a way of thwarting potential attacks.
KING: By the way, Theresa, are you not working again?
SALDANA: Am I not working again? Well, that's the actor's saga. I am
actually working again. I have a movie coming out called "Carlo's Wake"
with
Rita Moreno and Martin Landau.
KING: Oh great.
SALDANA: And I am back. I am back.
KING: Good. Andrea, what would you add to what Theresa said about what
you
can do about it?
Well, I'm in total agreement. I think when what happened to Theresa
and I
happened we weren't as aware of what to do. Due to programs such as this
-- and
I know our security men we have worked with: Gavin De Becker, who gave me
tons
of ideas on how to keep myself private. And she is so right.
And every person out there, particularly women, should not give out
their
Social Security number, their phone number, any information. Do whatever
you can
to remain as private as possible.
KING: But the stalkee, John, is a victim of this, right?
DOUGLAS: That's right. They're, obviously, a victim of this. And once
once you're in this situation, again particularly in domestic type of
cases --
these are the everyday folks, and they're blue-collar, white-collar --
you have
to -- you have to make a decision. You have to pass responsibility on to
the
victim. You have to get out of this relationship.
If you don't get out of this relationship, it's going to get worse and
it's
going to become much more violent.
KING: Marcia, can you stop a stalker?
CLARK: Well, no, you can't stop them
KING: Do you thing?
CLARK: physically stop them. But you know, Gavin De Becker does
have a
number of good points that he makes about things that you can do if you
feel you
are being stalked. Among them, varying your routines, never going out
alone at
night by yourself, that kind of thing. And he has them in his books to
look at.
But you can't really stop somebody from following you if they're
inclined to
do that.
KING: Yes.
CLARK: What you can do is be very careful and very judicious about the
information you give out.
I agree with what's been said, Larry. You know how many times you're
in a
supermarket line or in a line for any store, and you're trying to buy
something
and they're trying to compile a mailing list, they ask you your phone
number.
It's not the clerk you worry about. It's the guy standing behind you in
line
that you've got to worry about, and think about that you don't have to
give your
number, you don't have to be on their mailing list. Just say no.
KING: What a weird way to live, John. I mean
DOUGLAS: Well, it's very difficult. In fact, the research I do -- and
I've
done some research with apbnews.com as a senior analyst -- it's not just
these
types of cases. Stalking comes in the form of child molesters
interviewed,
rapists, as well as serial offenders. And again, many times the precursor
is
stalking.
KING: We'll ask Theresa and Andrea if they live in fear generally as
they do
normal things every day. We'll try to get some calls in too. Don't go
away.
(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
KING: Andrea, John thinks it might be a mistake for actresses to have
Web
sites. Think so?
EVANS: No, I don't. You know, you can still maintain privacy and have
a Web
site. I have a Web site. I'm on television every day. I have a jewelry
company. I'm writing a book about this whole experience. You don't have
to
stop your life or stop being public. I don't think a Web site is any
problem at
all.
And you have fans and good fans that don't stalk you but keep in touch.
KING: Then what do you do, John?
DOUGLAS: Well, 99 percent of the fans
KING: Are fine.
DOUGLAS: are fine. It's just the one percenter. And that's
that's
the problem.
KING: But they've got to live in -- Theresa, do you live in daily fear?
SALDANA: I do not live in daily fear, not at all. In fact, I live with
a lot
of joy, a lot of life, and a lot gratitude that I am here alive. And
there is
another side to stalking. I think the most important thing is that the
person
who is being stalked emerges both alive and triumphant and happy to be at
the
other end of the situation. With the laws that we have, particularly in
California these days, you can survive being stalked and you can live to
have a
happy, healthy life again. And that's -- that's the message I want to
give
people, is that we can beat this.
KING: John, do want them to be more worried?
DOUGLAS: Well, I think they're at a strict advantage here. They --
they can
hire bodyguards. They have the money, they have the resources. But the
everyday victims of stalking -- 80 percent of these women who are being
abused,
and being violated sexually, physically, emotionally, who are trapped in
these
relationships, they just can't get out.
KING: Marcia, have you ever been stalked?
(LAUGHTER)
CLARK: Not that I'm aware of. I don't think so.
KING: One would gather, since you haven't, it would be a horrible
experience.
CLARK: Yes, I would definitely think it would be a horrible
experience. And
I mean, speaking to Theresa and speaking to Andrea, you don't get a sense
of --
I mean, they really are such survivors. They're so strong, and they've
really
muscled through it, which is a beautiful thing. But I can imagine what
it must
be like to know that your every step is being dogged by somebody
KING: Yes, wow.
CLARK: and you have to worry constantly where you go.
KING: Do parole boards let them out? Are they good con artists, John?
DOUGLAS: I just came out of Trenton Penitentiary last week, and I was
talking
to a few of these characters there, and the problem is that the people
who do
the assessments of these characters, they don't really look at the
crime. They
rely on self-reporting, on the interview.
KING: They hear them out.
DOUGLAS: You hoodwink them. In fact, it just drives me crazy. In fact,
I saw
an interview you were doing, too, with David Berkowitz a few weeks back,
because
I have interviewed Berkowitz, and it comes across, as you probably know,
as
very, very charming. He's got.
KING: Warden said he's the nicest guy in prison.
DOUGLAS: Nicest guy. His life is controlled, a guy even like David
Berkowitz, I mean, who was a stalker, who was stalking his victims in New
York
City. If you asked David Berkowitz the question -- I was hoping you
would do
this -- What profession would you love to have, if you could do it again?
Usually the professions are law enforcement, a minister or some counseling
profession. Why? Because of power, control.
KING: But he did say he wouldn't let himself out. Berkowitz said he
would
not let himself out of prison.
DOUGLAS: That's good. Hopefully he won't -- hopefully the parole board
will
be convinced.
KING: Do they want jobs where they can do it?
DOUGLAS: That right, where they can be in control of others.
KING: We'll get a break and be back with more on this edition of LARRY
KING
LIVE.
The Doles on Friday.
Don't go away.
(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
KING: Let's get a call in.
Tulsa, Oklahoma, hello.
CALLER: Yes, what kind of protection is available for someone
KING: I can't hear you. What, sir?
CALLER: stalked by a vindictive spouse.
KING: Hold it. Turn your radio -- turn your television down, sir. All
right, now repeat the question.
CALLER: OK, what kind of protection
KING: We're getting a echo chamber.
All right, can -- all right, I think the gist of it is, how do we
protect --
if a person is being stalked and they call up the police or they call up
the
prosecutor's office, what can the law enforcement do if someone is
bugging you,
calling you every day, making idle threats, not death threats, but you're
going
to come back know or I am going to get you!
CLARK: You're talking to me?
KING: Yes -- what do you do?
CLARK: You can call the -- first of all, you call the police. You
report the
threat. You give every bit of information that you can give about the
person --
where they saw you, what they look like, their description, every action
that
they took -- and then you get a temporary restraining order. And that's
the
beginning of it, you know, and that's the way it starts. You have a
temporary
restraining order. You can get that on your own in court. You don't
have to go
in with a DA. You don't have to go in with any lawyer; do it yourself in
a
court of law. If that order is then violated, he can then be arrested.
KING: Take action, John, you agree with that?
DOUGLAS: You can take action. But you have to be careful with these
orders.
I had a case where a woman was stabbed in the rest, and right through the
restraining order, right in her chest, by her husband.
KING: So what do you do?
DOUGLAS: So you have to be careful. Every case has to be assessed on
its own
merits.
KING: You mean, in some cases, it's stupid to get...
DOUGLAS: It may be the wrong thing to do, particularly if you have a
restraining order then you're in a state where it's a misdemeanor. So
what is
it? It's not even worth the
KING: Houston, hello.
CALLER: Hello.
KING: Yes.
CALLER: My question is -- I thought of this after George Harrison
personally
got attacked. What are the stalking rates in the U.S. compared to other
countries?
KING: Do you know, John?
DOUGLAS: It is the same. We have 200,000 here. But per capita is
still
KING: It's a worldwide thing.
DOUGLAS: It's a worldwide thing. There's really no cultural differences
here. We really see it everywhere, in domestic cases particularly.
KING: Teresa, you're -- obviously you're not paranoid. Are you wary,
though,
of situations?
SALDANA: I'm very cautious, and I -- because I also work with Gavin De
Becker
and I've also talk with other experts, I'm very cautious about my life
and those
of my immediate others, my child, et cetera, however, I don't let it
overcome me
or become an obstacle in my life, and that's the most important thing.
The
critical thing is to be able to take action, to do the things that make
you feel
safe and make you actually become safe, but not to let it take over your
life,
because at the point at which it overrules your life. and upsets your
life and
puts it out of balance, the stalker, or the person who is after you,
literally,
is the person who wins.
In this case, if you're the person who's being stalked, there are so
many
concrete things you can do with the law and with other personal
advisements and
still maintain a feeling of enjoying life.
KING: Andrea, are you wary?
EVANS: Of course, like Teresa, but I also -- I take every precaution.
And
there are so many things to do, so much advice you can get from experts
and
legally, and -- you know, I did make the mistake of letting the stalker
rule my
life for a while and getting out of the public eye, but I am thankful to
"Bold
and Beautiful" for having me back and where I can be in a position to be
on your
show to talk about this.
KING: Now, Marcia, is the law going to act if called?
CLARK: Meaning that, if you call the police? Yes.
KING: They are going to pay attention?
CLARK: Yes, in California especially. I can not speak for every
state. I
can speak for California, where the sensitivity and the awareness of the
problem
is so heightened. And there's even a team that's specifically devoted to
prosecuting these kind of cases.
KING: Oh, good.
CLARK: So when you call and you report a stalking situation, they're
going to
be right there for you, yes.
KING: When do you call the FBI, John? We only have 30 seconds.
DOUGLAS: If it's an interstate type of thing, you know, interstate
communication.
KING: Someone bugging you long distance?
DOUGLAS: Yes, Long distance, or they come across state lines and
stalking
you; that'll be an FBI
KING: They go right on it?
DOUGLAS: Yes, they'll get right on it.
KING: Thank you all very much. We're sorry we didn't have more time,
We'll
do more on this as well.
Teresa Saldana, Andrea Evans, Marcia Clark, John's Douglas. John's most
recent book is "Obsession," published by Scribners.
Stay tuned for CNN NEWSSTAND: choosing your child's sex. It can happen.
What about it, morally and ethically? That's next.
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HEADLINE: Battle over Cuban boy rages despite INS ruling
BYLINE: Michael Langan
BODY:
MIAMI, Jan 5 (AFP) - A US ruling Wednesday that Elian Gonzalez should be
reunited with his father has failed to end the international tug-of-war
over
whether the six-year-old survivor of a failed attempt to reach US shores
should
be repatriated to Cuba.
A lawyer for the boy's family in the United States announced that he is
asking US Attorney General Janet Reno to revoke the INS decision, which
touched
off a firestorm of protest from Republicans and opponents of Cuban
President
Fidel Castro.
"It was an unconstitutional and unfair decision, that was reached
mainly on
the basis of secret meetings with Elian's father and not in accordance
with due
process of law," said Spencer Eig, an attorney for Elian's relatives in
Miami.
Elian was found by fishermen on November 25 clinging to a inner tube,
after
the boat he was traveling in to reach US shores capsized. His mother and
stepfather drowned in the incident.
He has been staying with his Miami relatives and they have sought to
keep him
in the United States, which has sparked a tug-of-war between the two
countries.
Immigration and Naturalization Service (INS) officials ruled Wednesday
that
the boy should be reunited with his Cuban father by January 14. But
details as
to how, when and where the boy will meet his father, Juan Miguel
Gonzalez, are
still up in the air.
INS commissioner Doris Meissner said the father could travel to Miami to
collect the boy, or his Miami relatives could accompany Elian back to
Cuba.
Republican Senator Jesse Helms called the INS decision "unwise" and
said he
intended to introduce a bill that would grant Elian citizenship.
"That way, when he is old enough to make decisions for himself, he will
be
able to claim the freedom his mother purchased for him with her life,"
Helms
said.
The Republican National Committee accused the Clinton administration of
caving in to Castro by deciding the case without a court hearing and Eig
said he
intends to file a court challenge to the INS decision.
Hundreds of Cuban exiles protested outside INS headquarters in Miami and
plans were afoot to form a human chain around the house where Elian is
staying
with his great aunts and uncles.
"Let Elian stay with us. Let the wishes of his mother come true," said
Miguel
Angel Aldana, a Cuban-born journalist among the protesters.
Jorge Acosta, spokesman for anti-Castro group Agenda:Cuba, said the
decision
was "an affront to the rule of law."
The battle turned political after Cuban President Fidel Castro mobilized
Cubans behind the father, and tens of thousands demonstrated almost daily
in the
street.
However, US President Bill Clinton defended the decision as fair and
denounced the politicization of the case.
"The INS followed the law and the procedures and made the decision that
they
made after an exhaustive review of the facts," Clinton said, noting that
since
the beginning he promised to "do my best to keep this decision out of
politics
and we have done that."
But earlier, his spokesman, Joe Lockhart, sympathized with those
lobbying to
keep the boy in the United States.
"There are certain obvious benefits to anyone to grow up in a society
that's
free and open, that enjoy the kind of freedoms that Americans do," he
said.
"There are many people around the world who envy the culture and
society in
which we all live here. But I think there are also many who understand the
sanctity of. family bonds and how important those are," he added.
"Although this was a difficult case for the INS, they acted
appropriately,"
Lockhart said.
Elian's family in Miami continues to lament the decision and demand
that the
wishes of the boy's mother, who died en route to Florida, be considered.
Marisleysis Gonzalez, Elian's 22-year-old cousin, told reporters with
tears
in her eyes, that if the father cared for the boy, he would have found a
way to
travel to Miami to check on him after his ordeal.
"It's always the father, but what about the mother?" she demanded.
"This was
her will."
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HEADLINE: Editorials: It's about time boy returned to Cuba
BYLINE: Staff
SOURCE: CONSTITUTION
BODY:
Shame on the U.S. Immigration and Naturalization Service and its Clinton
administration overseers for taking so long to decide the fate of
6-year-old
Elian Gonzalez.
Finally, though, U.S. policy-makers have made the right decision.
They're sending him back with his father to Cuba. That outcome is fully
justifiable both
in terms of Elian's welfare and the law.
But shame still attaches to Washington's dallying so long before
arriving at
the correct conclusion. Why did it take six weeks to ponder Elian's
status?
Because the Clinton administration originally considered using Elian's
predicament to show off its own enmity toward the Castro regime and
thereby play
to the anti-Fidel lobby within the Cuban-American community. However, it
later
became clear those who wanted Elian to live in the United States stood on
shaky
legal ground.
First, his father's claim to custody was found to be unassailable.
Second,
U.S. immigration law specifies that Elian, as a minor, cannot emigrate
here
without permission from his father, his only surviving parent.
Once the inevitability of Elian's departure sank in, the Clinton
administration and the INS busied themselves devising an exit strategy
that
would cause the least political uproar among Cuban Americans. That is the
essence of the U.S. request to Cuba to allow Elian's father to come to
Miami for
what Washington hopes will be an emotional reunion and then take the boy
back to
Cuba. If anti-Castroites try legal maneuvers to block Elian's departure,
the INS
should move swiftly to get these appeals dismissed.
With his mother and stepfather drowned as a result of their desperate
voyage
to Florida, the legal and humane thing to have done was to return him
promptly
to his father. By the way, Juan Miguel Gonzales was no absentee father
after he
and Elian's mother were divorced; he looked after the boy part time most
days of
the week. His claim to care deeply for his son appears genuine.
Elian's dad works as a doorman for a Cuban resort hotel, which means
he's
plugged into the country's dollar economy and can support Elian
reasonably well.
Another factor arguing for Elian's return is that both sets of his
grandparents
live in Cuba and also want him back.
The question of which country, the United Stares or Cuba, has the better
political system should never have been a factor in determining Elian's
status.
Those who politicized his plight and demagogues in both countries
dabbled in
it --- behaved disgracefully.
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HEADLINE: U.S. to send boy home: Case may move to federal court
BYLINE: Knight Ridder Newspapers
DATELINE: WASHINGTON
BODY:
The case of a six-year-old Cuban boy caught in an international fire
storm
was expected to move into federal court after immigration officials said
Wednesday he should be returned to his father in Cuba.
Attorneys representing Miami relatives of Elian Gonzalez prepared to
ask a
federal judge to block the decision, saying the boy's best interests are
served
if he stays in the United States. That and other potential legal
challenges are
unlikely to win, experts say, but could delay Elian's return to his
father, who
remains in Cuba and has demanded his son's immediate return.
Immigration officials had met twice with Juan Miguel Gonzalez in Cuba
and
found him a fit parent, said Immigration and Naturalization Service
Commissioner
Doris Meissner.
"The core issue here is the bond between a parent and a child," she
said.
"We need to observe that and uphold that."
She said the immigration service hoped Elian would be returned to his
father
by Jan. 14.
Elian came into INS custody after he was rescued on Thanksgiving Day
from an
-inner tube off the coast of Florida. He survived after a boat capsized,
killing
his mother and nine others trying to travel from Cuba to the U.S.
The question of Elian's fate generated street protests in Havana and
Miami,
cities often polarized by the emotional divisions between Cuban exiles in
the
U.S. and their relatives in Cuba.
Privately, administration officials acknowledged the potential fallout
of a
decision unpopular with politically powerful Cuban-Americans in South
Florida.
U.S. Bill President Clinton had pledged to keep politics out of the
decision and
said Wednesday he felt that was the case.
"We have not been involved in it," Clinton told reporters Wednesday.
"They, I am convinced, followed the law and the facts, did the best they
could
with the decision."
Meissner acknowledged the fervent opposition among many
Cuban-Americans. "We
know what a very emotional issue this has been and will continue to be,
" she
said.
But international and U.S. laws dictate that a parent has priority in
determining the fate of a child, Meissner said. And Gonzalez offered
evidence of
a loving and continuous relationship with Elian, despite his divorce from
the
boy's mother, including medical and school records and photos of family
outings.
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Elian
Gonzalez's family stand in front of the boy's home Wednesday, in
Cardenas, 150
kilometres east of Havana, Cuba.; Color Photo: Colin Braley, Reuters / As
his
great uncle Lazaro Gonzalez holds him, Elian Gonzalez says goodbye to
school
administrators at a U.S. school Wednesday.
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HEADLINE: U.S. can't find enough agents to fill 1,000 jobs
BYLINE: Associated Press
DATELINE: WASHINGTON
BODY:
At a time of increased concern about terrorists slipping into the United
States, the U.S. Border Patrol fell far short of its goal of hiring 1,
000 new
agents, a congressional report said.
The Border Patrol hired only 369 agents during the year that ended
Sept. 30,
compared with the 1,000 new border agents directed by Congress, the
General
Accounting Office report said.
While the agency blames the tight job market for the shortfall,
congressional
critics said the Immigration and Naturalization Service was too slow to
react
when it became clear last year its recruitment efforts were slipping.
The December arrests at Canadian border-crossings of two people with
alleged
links to an Islamic-militant group in Algeria show why the Border Patrol
needs
to be beefed up, said U.S. Senator Jon Kyl.
"The first time we get a terrorist incident because someone came in
over
either the southern or the northern border and we didn't have the
personnel to
stop them, people are going to be looking at these reports and pointing
fingers," said Kyl, an Arizona Republican who is a prime backer of the
requirement to hire more agents.
"It seems sometimes as if the INS is just sleepwalking."
All new Border Patrol agents are assigned to the southwestern border
with
Mexico, where 92 per cent of all border agents work, the GAO report said.
Senator Spencer Abraham a Michigan Republican, who heads a Senate
subcommittee
on immigration, said he is "going to keep pressing" for more agents
along the
Canadian border.
"All of the focus has been on the southern border. That's part of the
problem," Abraham said. "The southern border isn't the only place
people can
cross into the country and do so with the intent to commit crimes."
The GAO report, released late last month, said although agents left the
Border Patrol at a lower-than-expected, nine- per-cent rate last year,
increasing numbers of recruits washed out before being hired.
About three-quarters of the applicants did not even show up for the
agency's
written job tests and most who took the test failed it, the report said.
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COSTS IN TOLERATING A LAME-DUCKIMMIGRATION SYSTEM
BYLINE: KEVIN MARTIN, CALGARY SUN
BODY:
Canadians should be both troubled and angry at the current state of our
immigration laws.
Our-nation is rapidly earning the doubly dubious distinction of being a
haven
for alleged terrorists looking for a jumping off point to the U.S. and a
dumping
ground for an endless armada shipping human cargo.
And if this trend isn't soon rectified, our friendly neighbours to the
south
will have no recourse but to close off the border tighter than the vaults
at
Fort Knox.
It may soon become easier to go from Canada to Timbuktu than to hop
across
the border at Coutts for a day's tour of Montana.
Americans are not a patient people when their lives are on the line.
If U.S. citizens fear Canada has become home to smuggled immigrants of
dubious pasts and anti-American zealots, it won't be long before public
pressure
below the 49th parallel makes travelling south an exercise in futility.
The lineups some Canadian travellers experienced at U.S. ports of entry
over
the New Year's weekend may seem like relative express lanes in the future.
That's not to say Canada should close off its own borders to immigrants
looking for the promised land.
This country was built by hard workers from nations all over the world,
including those which don't always have the most friendly of relations
with our
American cousins.
But if our immigration officials don't soon become hyper-vigilant about
who
we let cross our borders, it will be Canadian citizens who pay the price
-- both
economically and in freedom of movement.
Not only will it be more difficult to travel to the U.S., but Canadian
companies will also experience costly delays in transporting goods to the
south
-- expenses which will naturally be passed on to Canadian consumers.
And those (usually)friendly faces we now experience at American border
crossings will be replaced by the scowls of suspicion.
Mexicans have long experienced the ire of U.S. customs officials, who
automatically suspect any brief foray across the border to be an attempt
at
illicit immigration.
I recall a day trip my wife and I took to Tijuana in the mid-1980s.
Upon our return, we dutifully waited in the line for non-U.S. citizens
behind
a harried Mexican couple and their large contingent of children, excited
about a
short vacation to the land of opportunity.
When the customs officer looked up and saw us waiting, he incredulously
asked: 'You're Americans aren't you?"
When informed we were Canadians, he waved us through --an indication of
how
much we are trusted by our U.S. allies as much as their systemic
prejudices
against their own neighbours to the south.
And Americans treat Mexicans that way simply because they threaten to
take
away low-paying jobs.
Imagine how Canadians will be looked upon if we become an apparent
threat to
their very safety.
It's time the federal government took action to clean up our lax
immigration
laws and make sure the only people who get into our country belong here.
If not, we'll all pay for it.
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HEADLINE: US custody decision on Elian affirms parents' rights
BYLINE: Warren Richey, Staff writer of The Christian Science Monitor
DATELINE: MIAMI
HIGHLIGHT:
Returning: to his father angers Cuban Americans. Relatives in US may
BODY:
The decision by the United States to return young Elian Gonzalez to his
father in Cuba marks an important victory for the rights of parents in
making
decisions about their children's future.
But the move has angered many in the Cuban exile community in south
Florida who
had argued that Elian's mother gave her life in an attempt to win freedom
and a
bright future for her son in America.
The decision, announced by the Immigration and Naturalization Service (INS)
yesterday, caps an emotional custody fight that has been closely watched
around
the world.
To anti-Castro Cubans here in Florida, there could be nothing more
terrible than
sending a six-year-old boy with his entire life before him back into the
control
of a repressive government on an island with a depressed economy. To them,
freedom and opportunity are more important than the bond between a parent
and
child.
Ultimately, the issue came down to who should decide Elian's future, his
father
or a US judge seeking to determine the best interests of the child.
Experts say that under US and international law, Elian's father retains the
right to make such decisions unless there is some evidence that the
parent has
forfeited that right by either abandoning or abusing the child. There was
no
such evidence in this case.
"It is a long overdue recognition by the INS that the father has the right
to
the care and custody of his child and to speak for his child," says
Bernard
Perlmutter, director of the Children and Youth Law Clinic at the
University of
Miami. "The father's rights are certainly superior to any other family
member's
who claim a right to make decisions and speak on behalf of Elian."
Mr. Perlmutter says the decision marked a good day for parents, "even
parents
who hail from countries with whom we have frosty diplomatic relations."
Elian has been staying with his father's uncle and aunt in Miami, and they
were
expected to attempt to obtain a court order blocking the INS decision. It
is
unclear whether such distant relatives have legal standing to make a
claim on
behalf of a child in federal court. And if they don't, it raises
questions about
why it took the Clinton administration almost a month and a half to
decide the
issue.
Some analysts say Elian became a convenient pawn in an international
political
tug of war between anti-Castro Cubans and Cuban President Fidel Castro.
The youth has the been at the center of a politically charged and
diplomatically
sensitive custody dispute since he was found on Nov. 25 clinging to an
inner tube in the Atlantic, a survivor of an ill-fated illegal-immigrant
smuggling
trip from Cuba to Florida.
His mother was one of 11 people who died when their boat capsized.
Cuban exile leaders have seized upon Elian as a cause celebre as part of
their
opposition to Castro. The boy, who started school in Miami Tuesday, has
been
showered with toys, treated to a trip to a theme park, and paid visits by
US
politicians.
The boy's Miami relatives - and many Cuban Americans - say he is a
political
refugee who would have a better life with them and should stay in the US.
"First and foremost, this is another case of the Clinton administration
caving
in to Fidel Castro," says Mariela Ferretti of the Cuban American National
Foundation in Miami. "The administration is weak when it comes to Cuba
policy,
to Castro policy. We have tremendous concern over Elian Gonzalez."
"He has earned his right to be in the US and that right should be there
for his
protection," she adds. "Elian's welfare should really concern everyone."
*Staff writer Kris Axtman contributed to this report.
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HEADLINE: Case of Elian Gonzalez to move into federal court
BYLINE: By David LaGesse
BODY:
WASHINGTON - The case of a 6-year-old Cuban boy caught in an
international
fire storm was expected to move into federal court after immigration
officials
said Wednesday he should be returned to his father in Cuba.
Attorneys representing Miami relatives of Elian Gonzalez prepared to
ask a
federal judge to block the decision, saying the boy's best interests are
served
if he stays in the United States. That and other potential legal
challenges are
unlikely to win, experts say, but could delay Elian's return to his
father, who
remains in Cuba and has demanded his son's immediate return.
Immigration officials had met twice with Juan Miguel Gonzalez in Cuba
and
found him a fit parent, said Immigration and Naturalization Service
Commissioner
Doris Meissner.
"The core issue here is the bond between a parent and a child," she
said. "We
need to observe that and uphold that."
She said the immigration service hoped Elian would be returned to his
father
by Jan. 14.
Elian came into INS custody after he was rescued on Thanksgiving Day
from an
inner tube off the coast of Florida. He survived after a boat capsized,
killing
his mother and nine others trying to travel from Cuba to the United
States.
The question of Elian's fate generated street protests in Havana and
Miami,
cities often polarized by the emotional divisions between Cuban exiles in
the
United States and their relatives in Cuba.
Privately, administration officials acknowledged the potential fallout
of a
decision unpopular with politically powerful Cuban Americans in South
Florida.
President Clinton had pledged to keep politics out of the decision and
said
Wednesday he felt that was the case.
"We have not been involved in it," Clinton told reporters Wednesday.
"They, I
am convinced, followed the law and the facts, did the best they could
with the
decision."
Meissner acknowledged the fervent opposition among many Cuban
Americans. "We
know what a very emotional issue this has been and will continue to be,"
she
said.
But international and U.S. laws dictate that a parent has priority in
determining the fate of a child, Meissner said. And Gonzalez offered
evidence of
a loving and continuous relationship with Elian, despite his divorce from
the
boy's mother, including medical and school records and photos of family
outings.
"The father provided vivid details about his parental relationship with
his
son and about the nature of the bond that they share as father and son,"
the INS
commissioner said.
She also said the father appeared sincere in wanting his son returned to
Cuba, the home to most of Elian's extended family including his
grandparents.
"We are convinced that the father is expressing his true wishes
regarding his
son," Meissner said.
The Clinton administration, however, has asked that the Cuban government
allow Gonzalez to travel to Miami to be reunited with his son.
Administration
officials hope that would defuse complaints that the father is acting
under
pressure from the Cuban government.
Cuban officials said they would allow the father to travel if he wished.
"That is a decision to be made by the father," said Luis Fernandez a
spokesman for the Cuban government in Washington. "The father will do
what is in
the best interests of his son."
In Havana, there was no immediate public announcement of the U.S.
decision.
State-run television on Wednesday afternoon continued to broadcast images
of
protests demanding the boy's return to Cuba.
Millions of Cubans in recent weeks have taken part in mass
demonstrations
aimed at bringing Elian home. Early on, Cuban President Fidel Castro told
his
followers to be prepared for a long haul.
"We mustn't wear ourselves out,' said the 73-year-old, who shows more
energy
than some people half his age. 'We must conserve our strength.'
While his hardcore supporters have remained enthusiastic in protest
after
protest, others grew weary of the Elian campaign.
The boy's plight has so saturated the airwaves that the popularity of
underground video rentals soared as some Cubans tried to escape the
government's
seeming obsession with the case.
"People are tired of the demonstrations,' said a former Cuban government
official in Havana.
Cuban-Americans in Miami, meanwhile, mounted new protests on Wednesday
that
they said will widen in coming days. They were encouraged by
representatives of
the relatives in Miami, where Elian has been living with a great uncle and
cousins.
"We appreciate all the support that is being shown," said Marisleysis
Gonzalez, the boy's cousin.
Attorneys for the Miami relatives said they sent a letter to Attorney
General
Janet Reno and to the White House asking that the INS ruling be
overturned.
Reno, however, "was consulted on it, and was confident that the
commissioner
was doing the right thing," INS Associate General Counsel Kelly Ryan told
reporters.
The attorneys also said they're ready to ask a federal judge to block
the
decision.
"It undermines public confidence for a decision to be made by a single
official in Washington without holding any hearings, without hearing any
witnesses, and on the basis of a few secret interviews," said Spencer
Eig, a
Miami attorney for the family.
The legal challenge faces its best, if slim, chance in federal court,
say
experts familiar with family and immigration law. "That challenge should
fail,
as well, but it could cause a judge to pause for thought," said David
Abraham, a
University of Miami law professor.
The attorneys can at least hope to find a judge willing to delay the
boy's
return, he said. "South Florida is a very unpredictable place when it
comes to
issues involving Fidel Castro."
The Miami family would face an even tougher fight winning custody from
the
father in a Florida state court, at least based on national and
international
norms, said Berta Hernandez-Truyol, a law professor at the University of
Florida.
Attorneys would have to show the father to be unfit and that returning
Elian
would threaten harm to the child, she said. "But the child appears to have
emerged from Cuba as a perfectly well adjusted, 6-year-old boy," she said.
Whatever the legal outcome, the INS decision has likely come at a price
for
Democrats in Florida, said Dario Moreno, a political science professor at
Florida International University.
Florida looms as a key state in presidential elections and is host to a
close
senate race.
Cuban-Americans have shown increasing divisions over some issues,
including
travel to the island country. But Elian's case reminds them of their own
exile,
and Castro's outspoken demands for the child's return further united
them, he
said.
"Elian's experience is seen as a microcosm of the entire tragedy of the
Cuban
exile," he said. "And the Clinton administration is seen has having caved
into
Fidel Castro."
(Staff writer Tracey Eaton in Mexico City contributed to this report.)
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HEADLINE: LUCKY BREAK MIGHT PAY OFF FOR YEARS FOR CHINESE MIGRANTS
BYLINE: CP
DATELINE: VANCOUVER
BODY:
Had the port in Seattle not been full, 25 Chinese migrants found hidden
on a
freight ship could have been deported from the U.S. to their homeland by
month's
end.
But the dock was full and the California Jupiter was waved on to
Vancouver,
where the men were found inside two cargo containers late Monday.
Now all 25, including four juveniles, are expected to make refugee
claims in
Canada and it could be years before their claims are fully processed.
Thirty-nine men and teens found hidden aboard two other ships that did
dock
in Seattle will be back in Hong Kong within a few weeks if the U.S.
Immigration
and Naturalization Service doesn't feel they have legitimate asylum
claims. And
they'll be going back minus the thousands of dollars they paid to be
brought to
North America illegally.
Reform justice critic John Reynolds said Canada should bar citizens of
some
countries from seeking refugee status. "(China is) not as good as Canada
for a
lot of people. But it's a growing and progressive country and doesn't
qualify
for refugee status any more."
Two migrants among almost 600 that came to B.C. in decrepit ships last
summer
were granted refugee status late last year. A woman's claim was accepted
based
on China's strict one-child policy and a man's was based on religious
persecution.
Victor Wong of the Vancouver Association of Chinese Canadians said one
in
three refugee hearings for Chinese claimants is successful, based on such
things
as human rights abuses, so Reynolds's statements were "shockingly
ignorant."
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HEADLINE: WORLD NEWS: THE AMERICAS: US ruling on Cuban boy NEWS DIGEST
BYLINE: By PASCAL FLETCHER
DATELINE: WASHINGTON
BODY:
IMMIGRATION CASE
US ruling on Cuban boy
The US yesterday opted out of a tug-of-cold-war between Cuban
authorities and
Cuban-Americans in Miami, by ruling that a 6-year-old boy, plucked from
the
ocean last November, should be returned to his father in Cuba. Elian
Gonzales
was rescued six weeks ago after the sinking of a small boat off the
Florida
coast. He had been taken by his mother on a harrowing attempt to escape
from
Cuba. She drowned when the boat capsized. He was found alive, clinging to
an
inner tube, and seized by Cuban-American relatives who insisted he remain
in the
US.
The US Immigration and Naturalisation Service said the boy's father,
Juan
Miguel Gonzalez, 31, who was divorced from the boy's mother, was now his
sole
legal guardian.
The agency said he should be returned to his father's custody by
January 14.
However, the boy's relatives in Miami are expected to appeal against the
decision. Pascal Fletcher, Havana, and Nancy Dunne, Washington
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HEADLINE: WORLD NEWS: LATIN AMERICA & CARIBBEAN: Deportees blamed for crime
surge in the Caribbean: Convicted criminals are being sent 'home' by US.
Canute
James reports:
BYLINE: By CANUTE JAMES
BODY:
Looking out to the Atlantic from the crumbling seawall behind Guyana's
leading hotel, a man who wants to be known only as "George" tells a story
of a
wayward life of crime - mainly robbery - in the US, of being caught,
convicted
and deported to the country he left 19 years ago.
"I made a slight mistake and they caught me," he said. George is a
criminal
deportee, one of more than 3,500 repatriated from the US to the Caribbean
last
year. "Relatives here are taking care of me, but not much is happening
here
economically, and life is difficult."
He is among those Caribbean governments and police chiefs blame for an
upsurge in violent crimes across the region over the past five years. Most
deportees are from the US, but some are also from Canada and the UK. They
have
been linked to murders, armed robberies, kidnapping, and gunfights
between gangs
feuding over narcotics.
There appears little, if anything, the region can do to curb the volume
of
deportees it is receiving. Some leaders, such as Basdeo Panday, prime
minister
of Trinidad and Tobago, suggest the US should be more co-operative in the
matter.
"We do not detect adequate apparent concern among officials of the US
government at the impact on small Caribbean societies of waves of
convicted
felons who have been deported from that country," said Mr Panday. "The
relatively large-scale and precipitate export of criminal practitioners
to small
Caribbean societies severely strains limited counter-crime resources in
fragile
economies. It was unconscionable to have initiated such action without
giving
our countries adequate prior information and support."
The Dominican Republic, the Caribbean's main recipient of criminal
deportees
from the US with 1,669 last year, had been seeking ways of reducing the
flow,
said an official. "We have been examining the possibilities of dealing
with this undercurrent treaties with the US, but so far the prospects are not good.
The US
claims it is acting under international law."
Those who are repatriated are permanent residents or students who get
into
trouble with the law, or who are in the US illegally, say spokesmen for
the US
Immigration and Naturalisation Service. Some who are convicted serve
their terms
before deportation.
The Jamaican police report that between January 1997 and June 1999
deportees
were implicated in 600 murders, 1,700 armed robberies, 900 rapes, 150
instances
of shootouts with the police, 200 cases of extortions, 30 cases of
murdering
witnesses and 10 cases of arson. "Many of the deportees are essentially
Americans, given the fact that they migrated to the US at an early age
and had
effectively cut all ties with Jamaica," said Keith Knight, Jamaica's
security
minister.
"The criminals they are deporting were not raised in this country,"
claimed
Lovinsky Pierre-Antoine, a human rights activist in Haiti. "The deportees
did
not learn to become criminals in Haiti, but in the US and Canada."
US officials, however, reject charges that most of the deportees are
products
of the US criminal culture, and contend they are usually hardened
criminals when
they arrive in the US.
"Under international law it is standard for most countries.
to
deport
convicted criminals who do not have the nationality of that country and
deport
them back to their country of origin," said Lloyd Moss, charge d'affaires
at the
US embassy in Grenada.
He was responding to comments made by Keith Mitchell, Grenada's prime
minister, who said the Clinton administration was considering providing
help for
Caribbean countries with the problems of criminal deportees from the US.
Faced with growing - and increasingly sophisticated - violent crime,
much of
it attributed to deportees, Haiti has taken a strong position on the
issue.
"People without proper papers will be sent back immediately," said
Jacques-Edouard Alexis, Haiti's prime minister.
The region's police have legal problems in keeping track of deportees.
Unless
they commit a crime in their jurisdiction, close monitoring may be
illegal, say
senior officers. However, Caribbean security ministers are stepping up
co-operation. Ata recent conference in Jamaica, they said they would
lobby the
US to provide subventions to help reintegrate deportees into Caribbean
society.
This is unlikely to have an impact on George. "The problem I have is
that if
I stay here I cannot support family here who depend on me, and I cannot
support
my girlfriend, who is American, and my two children in the US."
Surprisingly, he admits to having returned and worked in the US since
he was
deported. He chuckles when asked how he does this. "There are ways, and
when I
get there I work for short periods - legitimate work, you understand. But
if I
stay too long, they will catch up with me."
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BODY:
An American fugitive wanted for a 1976 murder was arrested in Montreal
yesterday.
James Anthony Martin, 51, was arrested without incident at his home by
the
Canadian Immigration Task Force, the U.S. Federal Bureau of Investigation
said.
Martin was charged in his absence in December 1976 with first-degree
murder
in the shooting four months earlier of Edward Paulson. The 28-year-old
Harvard
University student was killed during a botched attempt to buy a kilo of
hashish.
Paulson was shot twice in the chest on the night of Sept. 9, 1976, in a
Cambridge apartment belonging to an acquaintance, Gordon Brown.
Brown, whom the FBI described as an accomplice of Martin, was convicted
in
1982 and sentenced to life imprisonment for first- degree murder. The
conviction
was later reduced to second-degree murder by the State Supreme Judicial
Court.
Martin fled to California and lived with relatives, the FBI said.
Cambridge police working with the FBI Fugitive Task Force in Boston
determined that Martin could be living in Canada under an alias. Toronto
police
found out he was living in Montreal.
Martin, who was living illegally in Canada under several aliases, is
expected
to be returned to the United States this week to stand trial for the
24-year-old
crime.
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HEADLINE: U.S. decides Cuban boy should go back: Elian's relatives in Miami
promise they will fight decision in court
BYLINE: ROBERT RUSSO
DATELINE: WASHINGTON
BODY:
An elfin tot who became a pawn in the 40-year-old struggle between Fidel
Castro and U.S. authorities after being rescued at sea has been ordered to
return to Cuba and his father next week.
The directive incensed the Florida relatives of Elian Gonzalez. They
insisted
yesterday they will go to court to fight the directive by the U.S.
Immigration
and Naturalization Service.
"This little boy, who has been through so much, belongs with his
father,"
said Doris Meissner, commissioner of the immigration service.
The 6-year-old boy was rescued off the coast of south Florida on Nov.
25. He
had survived for two days drifting in an inner tube in the Atlantic Ocean
after
the motorboat that carried him, his mother, his stepfather and 10 other
people
capsized after fleeing Cuba.
Elian's mother drowned. He may well have witnessed her death. He also
lost
his stepfather, who saved his life by wedging him into the inner tube
that kept
him afloat.
What should have been a simple custody dispute that would have almost
automatically favoured the claim of the boy's father in Cuba became an
international affair.
Anti- Castro Cuban expatriates in Miami, who had never laid eyes on
Elian
until he came ashore, said his mother sacrificed her life for her son's
freedom
and demanded he be allowed to stay in the United States.
Armando Gutierrez, a spokesman for Elian's Miami relatives, said the
family
was shocked.
"No one is listening to the mother's cry for Elian."
Asked what the boy has been saying, Gutierrez said, "He cares for his
father, but he would like his father to be here with him."
Castro accused the United States of "kidnapping" the boy and,
mobilizing as
only a one-party state can, sent millions of protesters into the streets
of
Havana stoked by dawn-to-dusk TV broadcasts of anti-U.S. propaganda.
Caught in the middle was the Clinton administration, which is anxious
to ease
tensions with Cuba while mindful of the political risks involved in
aggravating
Florida's powerful Cuban community in an election year.
President Bill Clinton said that he felt the immigration service made
the
right decision. "I told you when we started this that I would do my best
to
keep this decision out of politics. We have done that," Clinton said.
U.S. immigration officials conducted extensive interviews with Elian's
father, Juan Miguel Gonzalez, in Cuba and with his relatives in Miami last
month. Even though the boy's parents were divorced, the U.S. immigration
service
found that Elian had a "close and continuous relationship" with his
father.
"Family reunification has long been a cornerstone of both American
immigration law and U.S. practice," Meissner said.
"The father made it very clear that he wants Elian returned to him as
soon
as possible."
She said the boy would be back in Cuba by Jan. 14 and invited his
father to
go to Miami to escort his son home.
Should the boy's relatives sue, the ruling by Meissner in the father's
favour
would be a powerful weapon in his ability to prevail in court, U.S.
officials
said.
These officials believe U.S. courts might conclude they had no
jurisdiction
over the case in light of such a ruling.
In the weeks since his arrival in the United States, Elian became an
unwitting Cold War hero to anti-Castro Cubans in Florida and an unlikely
revolutionary icon to Cuba's aging Communist leaders.
Florida relatives showered the boy with lavish gifts, paraded him
before the
cameras during outings at Disney World and on his way into an expensive
private
school.
Huge billboards sprung up almost instantly in Havana, reading: Return
Elian
to this nation.
Millions attended rallies where high-pitched voices denounced the vices
of
U.S. society from which Elian is at risk: child abuse, violence, weapons
and
drugs headed the list. Some claimed most American children live in the
streets
and cannot go to schools or hospitals. The speeches usually ended with
shouts of
"Long live Fidel!"
Those protests were matched in Miami by tens of thousands who have
taken to
the streets every day.
to demand the boy be allowed to stay. TV pictures showed Elian
surrounded by
new toys, wearing the emblem of Castro's arch-enemy, the Miami-based Cuban
National Foundation.
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Had the port in Seattle not been full, 25 Chinese migrants found hidden
aboard a freight ship could have been deported to their homeland by the
end of
the month.
But the dock was full and the California Jupiter was waved on to
Vancouver,
where Canada Customs agents found the men locked inside two
canvas-covered cargo
containers Monday.
Now, all 25, including four juveniles, are expected to make refugee
claims in
Canada and it could be years before their claims are fully processed.
Thirty-nine men and teens found hidden aboard two other ships that did
dock
in Seattle will be back in Hong Kong within a few weeks if the U.S.
Immigration
and Naturalization Service doesn't feel they have legitimate asylum
claims.
And they'll be going back minus the thousands of dollars they paid to be
brought to North America illegally.
"We'll talk to them first to see if they have a claim to asylum," INS
spokesperson Irene Mortensen said yesterday. "If that's determined not to
be
valid, then they would be processed for removal. They would be removed
within
probably about a couple of weeks."
Reform justice critic John Reynolds said Canada should exclude citizens
of
certain countries, including China, from seeking refugee status in Canada.
"These people, they're not legitimate refugees," Reynolds said.
"(China is) a growing country, and, yeah, certainly it's not as good as
Canada for a lot of people. But it's a growing and progressive country and
doesn't qualify for refugee status any more."
Two migrants -- a man and a woman -- who were among almost 600 who came
to
British Columbia in decrepit ships last summer were granted refugee
status late
last year.
The woman's claim was accepted based on China's strict one-child policy
and
the man's was based on religious persecution.
The California Jupiter may be the first freight ship carrying migrants
to
arrive in Vancouver, Reynolds said, but allowing the men to claim refugee
status
means it won't be the last.
Immigration Minister Elinor Caplan was not available for comment.
Victor Wong of the Vancouver Association of Chinese Canadians said one
in
three Chinese refugee claimants who has a hearing is successful, based on
such
things as human rights abuses.
Wong called Reynolds' statements "shockingly ignorant."
Wong said he will visit the 25 stowaways as soon as possible at the
Vancouver
centre where they are in custody.
Wong also says it's Caplan's fault police have only been able to lay a
few
charges against crew members from the four ships that brought the
migrants.
Late last year, Caplan said she would consider offering witness
protection
and landed status to migrants who would co-operate with police.
But Wong says Caplan hasn't followed up on the idea.
Several migrants currently in detention have asked him about the offer,
Wong
said.
But despite a request for a written copy of the offer, Wong said Caplan
has
not provided any more details.
"So as far as we're concerned it's a bogus offer," Wong said.
Only nine Koreans caught aboard the second migrant ship that tried to
flee
Canadian waters off the Queen Charlotte Islands have been charged.
Reynolds said American authorities may have sent the California Jupiter
on to
Vancouver despite knowing it was carrying illegal immigrants because they
wanted
to spare themselves the expense.
"Maybe they just didn't want the problem," he said.
But immigration authorities said there was no room for the ship in the
Seattle port, and the men could not be left in the cargo containers any
longer.
Last summer, three Romanian men were found asphyxiated in a cargo
container
in Montreal.
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Edmund Rutkowski, agent in charge of the Detroit station, check the
Detroit-Windsor train tunnel yesterday. Citing illegal immigration, drug
trafficking and new fears of terrorism, Senator Spencer Abraham (R-Mich.)
said
the border patrol desperately needs more agents. For example, he said, it
has
only 31 agents policing four states: Michigan, Ohio, Indiana and
Illinois. Only
300 agents cover the entire border with Canada, he said. Meanwhile, in
Seattle,
an Algerian man charged with illegally entering the United States from
British
Columbia and eluding border officers was ordered held without bail
yesterday
after his lawyer declined to challenge a government motion to detain him.
Abdel
Hakim Tizegha, 29, who was arrested outside Seattle on Dec. 24, is one of
several people, mostly Algerians, thought to be linked to Ahmed Ressam,
who is
charged with bringing nitroglycerine into the United States via ferry from
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HEADLINE: Boy's family, Cuban exiles protest Elian's return to Cuba
BYLINE: By Alfonso Chardy, Gail Epstein Nieves And Andres Viglucci
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MIAMI Elian Gonzalez, the Cuban boy whose rescue at sea on
Thanksgiving Day
touched millions around the world, belongs with his father in Cuba and
not with
relatives in Miami, U.S. officials decreed Wednesday a decision met
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with swift
condemnation by a broad cross-section of Cuban exiles, some of whom vowed
to
disrupt traffic today in protest.
Announced in a nationally televised news conference and quickly
seconded by
the White House, the conclusion by Immigration and Naturalization Service
Commissioner Doris Meissner was unequivocal: Parental rights in the case
are
paramount. Elian, whose mother perished along with 10 others when their
boat
foundered off Florida, must go home by Jan. 14, Meissner said.
"This little boy, who has been through so much, belongs with his
father," she
said.
Precisely when or how that will happen is still in question.
Meissner made it clear that her agency's preference is to avoid a
showdown by
allowing Elian's relatives here and in Cuba to work out the boy's return,
either
by themselves or with help from mediators whom she did not identify.
"We believe that this decision can be carried out without INS's taking
charge
of Elian," Meissner said.
But even as a large crowd of supporters began gathering outside the
family's
Little Havana house, the 6-year-old boy's Miami relatives expressed anger
and
defiance. In a statement to reporters outside the federal courthouse in
downtown
Miami, Elian's cousin, Marisleysis Gonzalez, reaffirmed the family's
belief that
the boy is better off in the United States than in repressive Cuba.
"This is an unjust decision," she said. "I was surprised. I always
thought
this was a place of liberty. I told the INS officials that nobody is
thinking
about the child's rights and the sacrifice that his mother paid to bring
him
here."
Spencer Eig, one of the family's attorneys, said the family will ask
U.S.
Attorney Janet Reno to reverse Meissner's decision before challenging the
INS in
court_ a legal recourse that experts described as a long shot.
Both Reno and President Clinton, however, have already reviewed and
concur in
the decision, administration officials said.
"I told you when we started this that I would do my best to keep this
decision out of politics. We have done that, we have not been involved in
it,"
Clinton told reporters at the White House. "The INS followed the law, and
the
procedures and made the decision that they made after an exhaustive
review of
the facts."
The U.S. Interests Section in Havana said Elian's father, Juan
Gonzalez, was
informed of the INS decision on Wednesday morning, but that he has not
requested
a U.S. visa to retrieve his child.
The National Council of Churches, a Protestant and Orthodox group that
sent a
delegation to meet with Elian's father in Cuba, said Gonzalez asked INS
officials who met with him in Havana to allow the organization to help
arrange
Elian's return.
The Rev. Joan Brown Campbell, a delegation member who returned from
Cuba on
Wednesday, said she hopes Elian's Miami relatives will be amenable to an
amicable solution.
The Cuban government reacted cautiously, warning in an official
statement
that "the Cuban-American Mafia and the right wing in the U.S. Congress
will
try by all their means to prevent the boy's return to Cuba."
Meissner's decision did not surprise legal experts, who say U.S. and
international law heavily favors biological parents in custody disputes.
Meissner stressed that Elian's father, twice interviewed by agency
officials in
Cuba, convinced them of his sincerity and provided extensive proof that
he and
his son enjoyed a close relationship.
"The father made it very clear during both of these meetings that he
wants
Elian returned to him as soon as possible. Based on these meetings, INS
believes
that the father is expressing his true wishes," she said.
But many exiles in Miami seemed shocked by the ruling, and politicians
and
community leaders roundly denounced it as a political sop to Fidel Castro
by the
Clinton administration. Many demanded that Elian's Miami relatives be
given a
chance to plead their case in court.
"It's a real tragedy to have the president of the U.S. buckling to an
ultimatum from a two-bit assassin dictator," said U.S. Rep. Lincoln
Diaz-Balart,
R-Miami.
After meeting with Elian's Miami family, Miami-Dade Mayor Alex Penelas
said,
"I think the strategy from our perspective is to rally behind the legal
team,
and seek an appropriate hearing for Elian."
Undergirding exile views were two widespread concerns: That Elian's
father
acted under government duress in asking for his son's return, and that
sending
the boy back would constitute a propaganda gift to the island's struggling
Communist regime.
"He won't be sent to his father," said Alberto Hernandez, chairman of
the
Cuban American National Foundation, on Radio Mambi, 710 AM. "He will be
sent to
the Castro regime. He'll serve the Cuban government."
Throughout the afternoon and evening, Hernandez and others urged exiles
to
engage in peaceful protests. The organization Facts About Cuban Exiles
issued an
open letter that, while disappointed with the INS' decision, urged Cuban
Americans to exercise restraint.
But police and the Florida Highway Patrol were bracing for traffic
slowdowns,
expressway blockades and other threatened acts of civil disobedience.
Large
crowds are expected today at a demonstration outside the Claude Pepper
Federal
Building in downtown Miami, scheduled from noon to 1:30 p.m.
On Wednesday afternoon, Ramon Saul Sanchez, leader of the anti-Castro
Democracia Movement, led a band of followers Wednesday afternoon through
an
drill in which participants practiced being arrested and linking arms in a
"human chain." Activists have threatened to surround Elian's Miami home
with
such a human chain.
At a meeting of exile groups Wednesday evening, activists discussed
shutting
down access to Miami International Airport as well as roads.
Miami-Dade police said anyone trying to block airport access will be
asked to
move and arrested and towed if they don't comply.
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FHP reported no traffic-related protests by early evening Wednesday,
but said
that as a precaution troopers would be stationed for the foreseeable
future at
the Dolphin Expressway tollbooth, the 103rd Street exit of the Palmetto
Expressway, and Interstate 95 at the Golden Glades and State Road 112.
"All of those 'hot spots' are covered," said Lt. Ernesto Duarte, FHP' S
Miami
spokesman.
The 836 tollbooth is expected to be a major demonstration site, police
said,
warning protesters that traffic stoppages could result in tickets and
towing.
"We obviously do not condone any stopping or interfering with the flow
of
traffic," Duarte said. "It's against the law and it's dangerous. There are
people who need to move from place to place."
As his fate was being announced, Elian spent a quiet day at
Lincoln-Marti
School in Little Havana, where he enrolled Tuesday. He studied math and
reading,
then ate chicken, beans and rice and a lettuce and tomato salad for
lunch. When
school was over at 2 p.m., Miami police slid Elian out the back door and
ushered
him into a black sport utility vehicle with tinted windows.
He was taken to what a family representative described as a "safe
house."
Cesar Nunez, a staff cameraman for WFOR-TV Channel 4, said Elian left
with
his uncle in a black Mercedes with a 'Salvemos a Elian' (Let's Save Elian)
bumper sticker when they picked him up at Lincoln-Marti school - and then
made
multiple and eventually successful efforts to switch him to another car
so he
couldn't be followed.
Armando Gutierrez, the Miami family's spokesman, would only say that
Elian
was staying at a relative's home in Little Havana to "shield the child
from the
commotion."
Left unanswered Wednesday is what authorities would do if Elian's
relatives
refuse to give him up voluntarily, or if the threatened human chain of
protesters materializes around the family house.
Miami Police, who have sporadically provided security to Elian's
relatives,
said they would not be involved in any efforts to remove the boy from
their
custody. Federal law officers, possibly from the U.S. Marshals Service,
would
enforce INS administrative orders or any court rulings in the case,
Assistant
Chief Ray Martinez said. The INS and its sister agency, the Border
Patrol, also
have sworn uniformed officers.
(Contributing to this story were Miami Herald staff writers Karen
Branch,
Tyler Bridges, Lesley Clark, Frank Davies, Don Finefrock, Allison Klein,
Marika
Lynch, Jay Weaver and Herald translator Renato Perez.)
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HEADLINE: U.S. officials convinced father's connection to son is real
BYLINE: By Frank Davies, Gail Epstein Nieves And Juan O. Tamayo
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MIAMI The long and bitter tangle over Elian Gonzalez began unraveling
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on
New Year's Eve, when his father met a U.S. immigration official at the
Havana
home of a UNICEF official and told him about their father-and-son
haircuts.
Juan Miguel Gonzalez told the official that he had not gone to the
barbershop
since Elian left Cuba in November because that was something they had
always
done together.
That same day, the official from the Immigration and Naturalization
Service
typed out a transcript of the interview and sent it to Washington using
the
communications facilities of the U.S. diplomatic mission in Havana. Within
hours, the wheels of the U.S. government were churning toward a decision
to send
Elian back to his father in Cuba.
"He provided a tremendous amount of detail," INS Commissioner Doris
Meissner
recalled in her office Wednesday afternoon a few hours after her dramatic
public
announcement that Elian would be going back to Cuba. "The time they spent
together, the feelings he had. It went well beyond 'This is my son,
here's his
birth certificate."
"He provided the kinds of details he could only know spontaneously if
they
had a long relationship," said another U.S. official familiar with the
meeting.
"There was no one particular item, but a preponderance of evidence."
After reading the transcript of the New Year's Eve interview, Meissner
consulted Attorney General Janet Reno Monday and made her final decision
Tuesday. Aides alerted Miami Police Tuesday afternoon, and telephoned
Elian's
Miami relatives early Wednesday to summon them to the 11 a.m. meeting at
which
they were told that Elian would be returned to Cuba.
"Now it's a matter of trying to figure out how to achieve the kid's
return.
Does the father come to pick him up? Do federal marshals put him on a
plane? Now
comes the hard part," said a third U.S. official who has first-hand
knowledge of
the process.
As if the past month had been easy.
Elian became a virtual icon of the politics that separate Cubans on the
island and Cubans in exile when he was rescued from an inner tube
Thanksgiving
Day. His mother, her boyfriend and nine other people had drowned when
their
small boat sank as they tried to flee Cuba.
Juan Miguel Gonzalez, a 31-year-old national park employee, with the
backing
of Cuban President Fidel Castro, immediately demanded the child's return.
Elian's relatives in Miami, and many other Cuban exiles, immediately
insisted he
be allowed to stay in the United States.
In the end, the battle came down to who had the right to speak for the
6-year-old child whose wide-eyed stare and shy smiles captured hearts on
both
sides of the Florida Straits.
An INS official, accompanied by a diplomat from the U.S. Interests
Section in
Havana, had first interviewed Elian's father Dec. 13 at the house he
shares with
his new wife and son in the north-central city of Cardenas.
Gonzalez handed over documents proving he was Elian's biological father
a
birth certificate identifying him as the dad, and school and health
reports
showing he had taken him to class and doctors.
INS officials met a week later with Elian's relatives in Miami - a
great aunt
and uncle who "raised some questions that required us to go back to the
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dad,"
said one U.S. official involved in the process, held largely behind closed
doors.
The official wouldn't say what the questions were, but Miami was then
rife
with false rumors that Gonzalez had once asked for a U.S. visa and with
suspicions that Castro was manipulating him to demand Elian's return.
U.S. diplomats in Havana began looking for a better place to hold the
second
meeting - "a place where he would feel relaxed, and where we hoped we
would be
free of any government eyes," the official added.
"Coercion was always a great concern in a country like Cuba," Meissner
said.
"We did everything we could to try to assess his true wishes."
The solution: The home of a foreign official of the U.N. International
Children's emergency relief Fund (UNICEF), not only neutral ground but
child-related and presumably not important enough for Cuban intelligence
officials to have bugged with electronic listening devices.
The second meeting was set for New Year's Eve.
"It became obvious in the course of the interview that we were talking
about
a father and son," a U.S. official said.
Meissner spent the weekend reading the transcripts of the interview,
and by
Monday the State Department was girding for a swift INS decision, with
U.S.
diplomats probing Cuban officials on whether they would let Gonzalez go
to Miami
to pick up Elian if the ruling went in his favor.
In the language of diplomats, who usually don't ask for anything unless
they
are certain of getting it, they did not "request" anything of the Cuban
government. They simply "floated a hypothetical," said one diplomat.
Havana has not yet responded to the question, designed largely to ease Elian's removal from Miami by perhaps
averting the need for INS
enforcement
officers to take physical possession of the boy and send him back to Cuba.
Over the past two weeks, several Senate Republicans, including Majority
Leader Trent Lott, Foreign Relations Chairman Jesse Helms and Connie Mack
of
Florida, had urged the INS to delay a decision on Elian until late
January so
that Congress could consider granting him U.S. citizenship.
"We considered that, but in the end the most important thing was the
emotional health of the boy - that's what is fundamentally at stake," said
Meissner. "We didn't want to delay this longer than we had to."
Meissner, who had already been leaning toward recognizing Gonzalez's
right to
custody of Elian and thereby assuring his return to Cuba made her
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final
decision on the child's future Tuesday morning.
That same afternoon, INS officials in Miami informed Miami police that
the
decision would be shared with the family Wednesday at 11 a.m. but
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officers
were not told what that decision would be.
"We are not in the loop to know the decisions ahead of time, just that a
decision will be made," said Maj. Carolyn Forquer, commander of the
special
investigations section.
Local police officers will not be the ones who take Elian from his
relatives'
custody, said Forquer. "This is an INS decision. That's why we are in
contact with INS, because we want to see what their game plan is."
But the INS warning at least gave police time to set up sidewalk
barriers at
INS headquarters on 79th Street all the more important because by early
Wednesday, Spanish radio broadcasters were calling for protests in front
of the
building. Police closed off the street later in the day.
By Wednesday afternoon, Miami-Dade Police had also dispatched "scout"
cars to
the area around the Miami International Airport looking for motorcades of
demonstrators. None were spotted, but police said anyone trying to block
airport
access will be asked to move and ticketed and towed if they don't.
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Police later met with Democracy Movement leader Ramon Saul Sanchez to
discuss
his plans for a protest outside the Claude Pepper Federal Building from
noon to
1:30 p.m. today.
"I don't think it will end there," predicted Miami Assistant Police
Chief Ray
Martinez. "There's a strong feeling from the exile community, and they're
going
to make their feelings known. As long as it stays peaceful, we're
prepared to
facilitate that."
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BYLINE: By Jay Weaver
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MIAMI Despite the bitter backdrop of cold-war politics, federal
immigration
officials Wednesday decided 6-year-old rafter Elian Gonzalez should be
reunited
with his father in Cuba for a fundamental reason - they were bound by
U.S. and
international law.
Immigration and Naturalization Service Commissioner Doris Meissner said
that
as the boy's surviving parent, Juan Miguel Gonzalez can "speak for" Elian
because he is a fit father the guiding principle in custody disputes.
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"Both the United States and international law recognize the unique
relationship between parent and child, and family reunification has long
been a
cornerstone of both American immigration law and INS practice," Meissner
said.
She stressed that Gonzalez, 31, has the right to withdraw Elian's asylum
request in the United States. That would leave the boy's Miami relatives,
who
want to keep him here, with a longshot chance to challenge his return in
federal
court.
The frustrated legal team for Elian's Miami relatives fired off a
letter to
U.S. Attorney General Janet Reno on Wednesday, asking her to overrule
Meissner's
decision on the grounds that INS violated Elian's constitutional rights
because
he was never given an asylum hearing. If Reno lets the INS decision
stand, which
is likely because she has authority over the agency, the five attorneys
plan to
seek an emergency federal court order to block the boy's return.
"Our goal in federal court is just for Elian's voice to be heard on the
issue
of his constitutional rights and political asylum," said one of his
immigration
attorneys, Linda Osberg-Braun. "We will be asking the court to compel INS
to
follow its own rules. Even unadmitted aliens have constitutional rights
in the
United States."
Elian's lawyers contend that because the boy's mother died on the trip
with
him across the Florida Straits during Thanksgiving week, her son should
be given
the right to live a better life in a democratic country. In effect, they
argued
that while Elian's father may be a fit parent, communist Cuba is an unfit
place
in which to rear a child.
"The only issue here became the politics of the issue - should a child
live
in Cuba?" said Berta Esperanza Hernandez-Truyol, a Cuban-born professor
of law
at the University of Florida. "That's not the issue in dealing with the
custody
of the child."
Other legal experts not connected to Elian's controversial case said
that as
a result of the INS decision, Gonzalez is the only person with legal
standing to
claim the boy - not his Miami relatives.
"Their argument doesn't wash," immigration attorney David Abraham, a
University of Miami professor of law, said. "The INS does not want to
keep him,
and is letting his father assert his right to claim him. There is no role
for
the federal court to intervene in this matter because Elian was never
admitted
by INS into the United States."
Gonzalez asserted from day one that as the biological father, he had
first
rights to his son. But he ran into a wall of immigration laws that made it
possible for the unaccompanied minor to stay with his relatives in Miami.
When Elian was rescued from an inner tube off Fort Lauderdale on
Thanksgiving
Day, the INS and U.S. Coast Guard let Elian into the country for medical
reasons
and allowed him to be placed with his Miami relatives temporarily until
the
custody dispute was resolved. But, technically, Elian remained in the
custody of
INS, so it had the authority to return the boy to his Cuban father.
INS had this power despite the fact that Elian touched U.S. soil, which
seemingly made him eligible to apply for residency under the 1966 Cuban
Adjustment Act. That law allows Cubans who arrive here to apply for
permanent
residency after one year and a day.
But Elian was never legally admitted into the United States.
That provided the INS with a window to let the boy's father claim Elian
without violating the Cuban Adjustment Act.
Elian's legal team argued that the window was never shut, saying the
boy is
entitled to a "full and fair hearing" on the asylum request because INS
carried
on "secret meetings" with the boy's father that only captured his side of
the
story. The attorneys argued that Gonzalez, a national park employee, has
been
"under duress" because of manipulations by the Castro government.
One legal expert outside the Cuban exile community agreed with that
assessment.
Wendy Young, an attorney for the New York-based Women's Commission for
Refugee Women and Children, said it was possible INS officials did not
get "a
full picture of what's in the boy's best interest" because Elian was not
interviewed by a child-welfare expert.
"But in this case there does seem to be a lot of water under the
bridge,"
Young said. "And it's unfortunate."
Meissner said immigration officials spoke with the father twice, as
well as
his Miami relatives - and determined Gonzalez's wishes to be reunited
with his
son were genuine.
"We have gone through a very careful, thorough process," Meissner said.
"We
are convinced that the father is expressing his true wishes. We have
extensive
detail on the closeness of the relationship between the father and the
child."
The INS deadline for the boy's return is Jan. 14. Attorneys for Elian's
Miami
relatives said they would head straight to court as soon as they learn
Elian is
leaving for Cuba.
"We are ready to ask for a temporary restraining order at a moment's
notice
to stop his return so he can have a fair hearing with input from all
sides,"
Osberg-Braun said.
But it remains to be seen whether a federal judge would even consider
such a
request.
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BYLINE: Celeste Fraser Delgado
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In the literary classic, Let Us Now Praise Famous Men, photographer
Walker
Evans and journalist James Agee make heroes of three unknown families
struggling
to survive as tenant farmers in rural Alabama circa 1936. Evans and Agee's
praise for the poor but proud helped drum up support for President
Franklin
Delano Roosevelt's New Deal, the ambitious social experiment that marked
the end
of the Great Depression and the beginning of the welfare state. Sixty
years
later the Illegal Immigration Reform and Immigrant Responsibility Act of
1996
helped usher in the end of welfare as we know it, severely curtailing the
rights
of resident aliens to government support. Documentary photographer turned
filmmaker David Riker brings Evans and Agee into the 21st century with
his film,
The City (La Ciudad). By telling tales of the Latin-American underclass
in New
York City, Riker dedicates his first feature to what he calls "opposing
the
anti-immigrant fervor that is so rampant."
Born in Boston but raised in Belgium and Britain, Riker stumbled upon
Latinos
in the barrios of Brooklyn and the Bronx as a film student at NYU.
Fascinated,
Riker immersed himself in the fabric of immigrant life. From 1992 through
1997,
Riker found himself calling on Puerto Rican "matriarchs," dancing at
Mexican
quinceaneras, and handing out coffee to South American laborers waiting
on the
street for a day's wage. From these worlds Riker culled the script for
the four
vignettes that make up The City. The earnest realist distributed his
casting
call in leaflets at garment factories, public schools, and corner stoops.
Apart
from Cuban actor Jose Rabelo, who plays the title role in the vignette
called
"The Puppeteer," the actors lead lives very much like the characters they
portray. Committed to "authenticity," Riker put his untrained players
through
workshops designed to evoke their most difficult memories: How did it
feel to
see friends die in the guerrilla struggle in Nicaragua? What was it like
to
crawl across the border from Mexico? With these broad strokes, the film
manipulates the emotions of actors and audience alike.
The City owes a debt in both aesthetics and sentiment to the Italian
neorealists. As in Vittorio De Sica's 1948 classic The Bicycle Thief,
economic
hardship makes a mockery of the tenderest feelings between man and woman,
parent
and child. Stark black-and-white images heighten the sense of inexorable
doom
that closes in on the characters in the guise of bloodthirsty bosses,
heartless
bureaucrats, collapsing walls, and labyrinthine housing projects. The
camera
moves like a funeral procession, lingering over each beautifully composed
shot
like a deliberately posed portrait. Riker frames the entire film as a
series of
visits to a neighborhood portrait studio, cutting in a literal flash from
the
still faces of the immigrants to their lives in motion.
The portrait studio is a common setting for chroniclers of the U.S.
Latino
experience. Tomas Rivera's Chicano masterpiece, And the Earth Did Not
Devour
Him, stitches together fragmented photos of migrant workers. In
Cuban-American
filmmaker Ela Troyano's Once Upon a Time in the Bronx, a barrio
shutterbug snaps
the same 'hood as Riker, with a sensibility more hip-hop than social
realist.
Stephanie Viruet, the elementary school actress in "The Puppeteer," bears
an
uncanny resemblance to the little girl featured in Juan Sanchez's famous
Nuyorican collages. Perhaps Riker means to pay homage to these Latino
artists.
The film's emphasis exclusively on new arrivals, however, eclipses Latino
protests of conditions in the United States expressed in music, theater,
and
independent film, for more than a century. The accolades ringing in
reviews from
the Los Angeles Times to the Nation to the Village Voice echo The City's
solemn
promise to give voice to the voiceless, ironically turning a deaf ear to
those
Latinos who have been speaking for themselves and their communities for a
very
long time. To take a recent example, the same publications that applauded
Riker's retro-realism failed to review the far more innovative
Colombian-made
docu-fiction The Rose Seller, which also developed from intense community
collaboration and played many of the same festivals as The City.
Ultimately The City does depict Latin-American immigrants living in the
United States with dignity, a proposition less surprising to some of us
than it
apparently is to others. Our opportunities to see that experience on the
big
screen remain few and far between. Perhaps even more depressing than the
fact
that Latino voices are still so rarely heard in American cinema, The City
serves
as a reminder that until the balance of power in the hemisphere shifts,
those
voices will repeat the same familiar tragedies.
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BYLINE: Compiled by Terence Neilan
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MIDDLE EAST
ISRAEL: PALESTINIANS TAKE OVER -- Israel began the transfer of more West
Bank
land to the Palestinians. Soldiers pulled out of an army base near Nablus
flashing peace signs at the Palestinians, who immediately took the base
over,
hoisting a Palestinian flag to replace the Star of David. The soldiers
also left
three army camps near Jenin, and by late today, Israel will have
withdrawn from
another 5 percent of the West Bank. Deborah Sontag (NYT)
ISRAEL: ANTICIPATING POST-WEIZMAN ERA -- As the Parliament debated whether
President Ezer Weizman should be forced to resign, Israeli political
analysts
moved on to predicting his successor. The leading candidate appears to be
Shimon
Peres, the former prime minister. Prime Minister Ehud Barak's favored
choice is
said to be Foreign Minister David Levy, with whom he has a close
relationship. Deborah Sontag (NYT)
IRAQ: U.N. CHOICE DUE -- Secretary General Kofi Annan of the United
Nations is
expected to name a-new chief arms inspector for Iraq by Jan. 14, a month
after
the Security Council.created a new plan under which President Saddam
Hussein
could have sanctions suspended if he cooperates with a new monitoring
commission. Diplomats say a leading contender is a Finnish disarmament
expert,
Pasi Patokallio, but there are at least half a dozen other contenders and
no
final agreement in the Security Council. Barbara Crossette (NYT)
LIBYA: QADDAFI AND EUROPE -- Low-level talks between Libya and the European
Union could lead to an official visit from the Libyan leader Muammar
el-Qaddafi,
European officials said. "There is clearly a rapprochement, we don't deny
that,"
said Peter Guilford, spokesman for the European Commission, but he added,
"No
formal invitation is given yet." (AP)
THE AMERICAS
CANADA: FINE OVER STOWAWAYS -- Immigration authorities have imposed a
$250,000
fine on the Japanese owners of a ship from Hong Kong that had 25 Chinese
stowaways hidden in two containers when it arrived in Vancouver. The fine
is the
largest imposed by the Vancouver office and reflects growing anger over
the use
of the port as a North American entry point for Chinese smuggling gangs.
Since
mid-July nearly 600 Chinese without passports have arrived by boat in
Vancouver. James Brooke (NYT)
ASIA
CAMBODIA: ULTIMATUM TO U.N. -- Cambodia will press forward with
preparations to
try Khmer Rouge leaders for genocide with or without further input from
the
United Nations, a senior adviser to Prime Minister Hun Sen said. The
United
Nations has yet to give a formal response to Cambodia's latest tribunal
plan,
saying it is still studying the draft, which allows only a limited
international
role. (AP)
INDONESIA: CHINESE RIGHTS UNDER STUDY -- Indonesia plans to review laws
that
limit the rights of ethnic Chinese to celebrate their religion and
culture, said
the coordinating minister for political affairs, General Wiranto. He said
presidential instructions from 1967 would be a particular focus for
review. The
1967 decrees limited the use of the Chinese language and Chinese
religious.and
cultural practices. (Reuters)
EUROPE
BRITAIN: MILLENIUM INQUIRY -- A parliamentary committee is to investigate
the
myriad problems surrounding the opening of the $1.2 billion Millennium
Dome in
Greenwich. Thousands of guests at the New Year's Eve celebration were
forced to wait for hours in the cold at an East London subway station before
picking up
tickets and passing security checkpoints. And visitors to the dome, now
open to
the public, have had to wait for hours to see the exhibits inside.
Sarah Lyall
(NYT)
BRITAIN: PINOCHET EXAMINED -- Gen. Augusto Pinochet spent seven hours
undergoing
medical tests that could determine whether he is fit enough to be
extradited to
Spain to face trial on torture charges. The former Chilean dictator, 84,
under
house arrest in Britain for 15 months, has suffered several small
strokes, and
the Chilean Government has urged Britain to free him on compassionate
grounds.
Any such action may have to await the outcome this spring of his appeal
of an
order sending him to Madrid. Warren Hoge (NYT)
SWEDEN: 3 SEIZED IN DEADLY FIRE -- Three Iranian men have been arrested in
connection with a disco fire that killed 63 people, more than half of them
Muslim immigrants, and will remain in custody for at least two weeks
while an
investigation continues. A judge ruled there was sufficient evidence to
hold the
three while prosecutors conclude their inquiry into the Oct. 29, 1998,
fire in
Goteborg. (AP)
SPAIN: 5TH TERROR SUSPECT HELD -- The police arrested the fifth suspected
member
of a cell of the Basque armed separatist group E.T.A. said to have been
planning
a bomb attack on a Civil Guard convoy in the Basque region. Francisco
Javier
Cano Arce was detained in Bilbao after four other suspected members of
the cell
were arrested and explosives, bomb-making equipment and firearms were
found.
Still at large is the cell's reputed leader, Francisco Rementeria, who
eluded
the police after the plot to attack the convoy was foiled, officials
said. Ben
Jones (NYT)
AFRICA
TOGO: PRESS LAW TIGHTENED -- Togo has tightened its restrictive press law,
applying a maximum penalty of up to six months in prison and a $310,000
fine for
insulting the head of state. Previously, anyone deemed to have insulted
the head
of state faced a maximum suspended three-month sentence. Rights groups
have
accused the government of President Gnassingbe Eyadema, in power for over
30
years, of abuses, including trying to silence witnesses and
journalists. (Reuters)
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HEADLINE: Let Them In, to Work
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To the Editor:
Re "Home Aides for Elderly in Short Supply" (news article, Jan. 3):
In a world troubled by extreme poverty, it is absurd for Americans to
lament
a shortage of low-wage workers. We forget the thousands of people on this
planet
who would treasure the chance to earn $7 an hour. It is time to share the
prosperity of this booming economy by loosening our immigration laws, a
simple
yet often overlooked solution.
WELLS JACOBSON JR.
Princeton, N.J., Jan. 3, 2000
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