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FOIA Number: 2012-0769-F FOIA MARKER This is not a textual record. This is used as an administrative marker by the William J. Clinton Presidential Library Staff. Collection/Record Group: Clinton Presidential Records Subgroup/Office of Origin: Council on Environmental Quality Series/Staff Member: Kathleen (Katie) McGinty Subseries: OA/ID Number: 4299 FolderID: Folder Title: Johnston Amendment S.171 Stack: Row: Section: Shelf: Position: S 61 7 1 3 83 09:49 245 4046 EPA/OCLA 002 SENT BY:CEQ ; 7-20-93 ; 5:44PM ; CEQ- 202 260 4046:# 3 358 have to list cll Jack- Here are EPA's comments. DRAFT DRAFT DRAFT what are your thoughts? not July 20, 1993 Does it make sense Dear Congressman Waxman and others: to mention the Johnston Thank Dear you Garthmen for giving me the benefit of your thoughts on the amendment, proposed Johnston Amendment to S. 171, the Department of the Environment Bill. I apologize for the delay in my response, but I wanted to explore this issue personally with the appropriate people on my staff and with the Vice President. given your I share your enthusiasm for elevating the Environmental discussions Protection Agency to cabinet level status. I also believe that this step will help us to ensure that environmental concerns ere an integral part of decision-making at the highest level of the Executive Branch. with Wax man? I also understand your concerns about the proposed Johnston amendment which would require that comprehensive risk analysis be performed before any rulemaking is finalized by the new TREY Department. The Administration opposes inclusion of the Johnston any amendments Ampndment in this legislater this legislation. We de not believe that this addition would- that help us accomplish the reorganization of environmental functions. that we equit and therefore urge thet neither the House nor the are Conference include it in the Bill. More generally, it is our uniclated intention to oppose any emendments relating to policy or the substance of EPA's mission to protect human health and the to environment. We urge, instead, that the focus of this legislation be kept on organizational and similar structural issues rather than on matters of environmental policy as such. Branch Again, thank you for sharing your concerns with me. Sincerely, We do not believe that any specific reference to or consent In the Johnston Amendment is BC possible at this time, as we discussed yesterday miggest discussing the Administration's goals in given Senete Johnsbis concern. Instead, we as c matter of structural change, and do elevating EPA : to accomplish it expeditiously to no with little cost. DRAFT DRAFT DRAFT July 20, 1993 Dear Congressman Waxman and others: Thank you for contacting me regarding your thoughts on the proposed Johnson Amendment to S. 171, the Department of the Environment Bill. It was good to hear from you, and I apologize for the delay in my response. As you know, I am committed to the preservation of our nation's environment. I share your enthusiasm for elevating the Environmental Protection Agency to cabinet level status. I also believe that the new Department of the Environment will ensure that environmental concerns are an integral part of decision- making at the highest level of the federal government. I understand your concerns about the proposed Johnson amendment which will require that a cost-benefit analysis be performed before any final rulemaking is issued by the new Department. Please be assured that this Administration opposed the Johnson Amendment on the Senate floor and will continue to oppose it in the House and in Conference. It is our view that while this Administration can accept the organization or operation of the Department, we will continue to oppose any amendments relating to policy or the substance of EPA's mission to protect human health and the environment. Again, thank you for sharing your concerns with me. Sincerely, 2 BC 7-21 Todd 9:15 Stern July 20, 1993 MEMORANDUM FOR JACK QUINN TRACY THORNTON FROM: KATIE MCGINTY SUBJECT: WAXMAN LETTER Please review this draft response to Waxman's letter to the President regarding the Johnson Amendment to S.171 and return any comments to Trey Lindseth by 4:00 p.m. today. Many thanks. Trey Lindseth ph. 6531 fx. 2710 7/21/93 09:49 245 4046 EPA/OCLA 4. 001 UNITED STATES. AGE AGENCY NC UNITED STATES ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION AGENCY WASHINGTON, D.C. 20460 THIS MESSAGE IS ELECTRONICALLY TRANSMITTED ON A CANNON FAX-730 OFFICE OF CONGRESSIONAL AND LEGISLATIVE AFFAIRS TRANSMISSION NUMBER: (202) 260-4372 VERIFICATION NUMBER: (202) 260-5660 TO: Trey Lindarth FROM: Kate Perry COMMENTS: NUMBER OF PAGES TO FOLLOW: DATE: TIME: MAIL CODE: A-103 ROOM: 803-WT Printed on Recycled Paper 07/21/93 09:49 245 4046 EPA/OCLA 002 SENT BY:CEQ ; 7-20-93 : 5:44PM ; CEQ- 202 260 4046:# 3 DRAFT DRAFT DRAFT July 20, 1993 Dear Congressman Waxman and others: Thank you for giving me the benefit of your thoughts on the proposed Johnston Amendment to S. 171, the Department of the Environment Bill. I apologize for the delay in my response, but I wanted to explore this issue personally with the appropriate people on my staff and with the Vice President. I share your enthusiasm for elevating the Environmental Protection Agency to cabinet level status. I also believe that this step will help us to ensure that environmental concerns are an integral part of decision-making at the highest level of the Executive Branch. I also understand your concerns about the proposed Johnston amendment which would require that comprehensive risk analysis be performed before any rulemaking is finalized by the new Department. The Administration opposes inclusion of the Johnston Amendment in this legislation. We do not believe that this addition would help us accomplish the reorganization of environmental functions that we sqek and therefore urge that neither the House nor the Conference include it in the Bill. More generally, it is our intention to oppose any amendments relating to policy or the substance of EPA's mission to protect human health and the environment. We urge, instead, that the focus of this legislation be kept on organizational and similar structural issues rather than on matters of environmental policy as such. Again, thank you for sharing your concerns with me. Sincerely, We do not believe that any specific reference to or consent on the Johnston Amendment is BC possible at this time, as we discussed yesterday eleviting EPA : to accomplish it expeditiously suggest discussing the Administration's goals in given Senete Johnsbis concern. Instead, we as c matter of structural change, and to do no with little cost. OFFICE ON ENVIRONMENTAL POLICY KATHLEEN A. McGINTY DIRECTOR AND DEPUTY ASSISTANT TO THE PRESIDENT TO: Bob Hickmott FROM: Katu DATE: FAX: Number of pages including cover: 5 COMMENTS: Note: PHONE - (202) 456-6224 FAX - (202) 456-2710 ROOM 360 OLD EXECUTIVE OFFICE BUILDING WASHINGTON, DC 20501 THE WHITE HOUSE WASHINGTON July 20, 1993 MEMORANDUM FOR JOHN PODESTA BOB HICKMOTT FROM: KATIE MCGINTY SUBJECT: WAXMAN LETTER Please review this draft response to Congressman Waxman's letter to the President regarding the Johnston amendment to S.171 and return any comments to Trey Lindseth by 11:00 a.m. tomorrow, July 21. Many thanks. Trey Lindseth ph. 456-6531 fx. 456-2710 DRAFT DRAFT DRAFT July 20, 1993 Dear Congressman Waxman and others: Thank you for giving me the benefit of your thoughts on the proposed Johnston Amendment to S. 171, the Department of the Environment Bill. I apologize for the delay in my response, but I wanted to explore this issue personally with the appropriate people on my staff and with the Vice President. I share your enthusiasm for elevating the Environmental Protection Agency to cabinet level status. I also believe that this step will help us to ensure that environmental concerns are an integral part of decision-making at the highest level of the Executive Branch. I also understand your concerns about the proposed Johnston amendment which would require that comprehensive risk analysis be performed before any rulemaking is finalized by the new Department. The Administration opposes inclusion of the Johnston Amendment in this legislation. We do not believe that this addition would help us accomplish the reorganization of environmental functions that we seek and therefore urge that neither the House nor the Conference include it in the Bill. More generally, it is our intention to oppose any amendments relating to policy or the substance of EPA's mission to protect human health and the environment. We urge, instead, that the focus of this legislation be kept on organizational and similar structural issues rather than on matters of environmental policy as such. Again, thank you for sharing your concerns with me. Sincerely, BC 20 Congress of the United States Bouse of Representatives Mashington, D.C. 20516 May 20, 1993 The President The White House Washington, D.C. 20500 Dear Mr. President. We are writing to convey our deep concerns regarding provisions added on the Senate floor to S. 171. the bill to elevate the Environmental Protection Agency to cabinet status. In particular. we want to urge that you firmly and clearly oppose the Johnston amendment which could undermine EPA's regulatory efforts. cabinet status, and the American public would benefit from greater EPA participation Certainly, the Agency's vitally important mission and its broad range of mandates merits in We strongly support transforming EPA into a cabinet agency. deliberations at the highest levels of government. It is not our view, however, that this is an objective which should be pursued at any price - especially not at the price of reducing EPA's effectiveness. Unfortunately. this is the choice presented by the cabinet bill approved by the Senate earlier this month. Amendments added to this bill on the Senate floor impose insidious and burdensome new mandates designed to undermine the new Department's efforts to protect our nation's health and environment. EPA must undertake an extensive cost/benefit analysis. and a broad comparison of the risks In particular. the Johnston Amendment directs that as part of any final regulation addressed by any new regulation with all other risks to which the public is exposed. This comparison is presumably to consider all forms of risks, including those wholly unrelated to the environment and EPA's mission. such as dietary risks. car accidents. and smoking. We strongly oppose this new mandate. Time and again. Congress has concluded that devoting scarce federal resources to this type of analysis is not a sensible way to make public policy. Legislation we have adopted has provided more concrete guidance to assure such that public health and the environment are protected. Our major environmental laws. as the Clean Air Act and the Clean Water Act. use a mixture of health-based standards, each case, these are carefully considered judgments which Congress designed to fit the technology-based standards, and standards based on economic and technical practicality. In specifics of the problems in question. We are adamantly opposed to throwing over the regime of existing health and environmental protection measures - not just in these statutes. but in all the statutes within EPA's jurisdiction - for the one-size-fits-all solution in the Johnston Amendment. Cost/benefit analysis is not the precise science that the Johnston amendment presumes. In fact. it is an exercise where the results of ten depend on the assumptions that are put into the calculations. This is so because fundamental questions remain unanswered concerning how the benefits of environmental and health protection initiatives should be quantified. For example, how much. in dollars and cents. is it worth to prevent one child from being lead poisoned? What is the price that we put on one life saved. one birth defect avoided. or one case where control of a toxic chemical has avoided permanent neurological damage? What is the value of a life made more enjoyable by virtue of cleaner skies and less polluted air and water? How many dollars is it worth if we are able to save a polluted river or prevent the ecosystem destruction and skin cancers expected to accompany depletion of the stratospheric ozone layer? Such imponderable questions must be answered in dollars and cents under the regime imposed by the Johnston Amendment. When we look at the range of costs and benefits estimates which could be cited in support of a given result, it seems clear that in the end the result of any such cost/benefit exercise will be arbitrary - essentially depending on the biases of whoever is conducting the analysis. We therefore urge that you convey to the Congress your opposition to the Johnston amendment. It is important that this message is received in the very near future, so that we can be assured of your position on this vital issue prior to consideration of the cabinet bill in the House. While we do favor EPA's elevation to cabinet status, we would not be able to support legislation that achieves that goal while sacrificing important health and environmental protection gains we have achieved for the American public through years of hard-fought battles here in Congress. We look forward to working with you on this very important matter. Sincerely, George GEORGE MILLER Milhs HENRY A. WAXMAN Chairman. Subcommittee on Chairman. Committee on Health and the Environment am Natural Resources NORMAN Y. MINETA CRRTE. STUDDS Chairman. Committee on Chairman. Committee on Public Works and Transportation Merchant Marine and Fisheries GEORGE E JR. Chairman. Committee on Science, Space and Technology TOTAL PAGE. 003 THE WHITE HOUSE WASHINGTON July 20, 1993 l KATIE PS MEMORANDUM FOR JACK QUINN TRACY THORNTON FROM: KATIE MCGINTY SUBJECT: WAXMAN LETTER suce Please review this draft response to Waxman's letter to the President regarding the Johnson Amendment to S.171 and return any comments to Trey Lindseth by 4:00 p.m. today. Many thanks. this Trey Lindseth ph. 6531 fx. 2710 of Briter WA? (Land folents DRAFT DRAFT DRAFT Johnston July 20, 1993 Dear Congressman Waxman and others: Siving me the benefit of Thank you for contacting me regarding your thoughts on the proposed Johnson Amendment to S. 171, the Department of the Environment Bill. It was good to hear from you, and I apologize for the delay in my response, but it has been, as you know, & busy few weeks As you know, I am committed to the preservation of our nation's and I environment I share your enthusiasm for elevating the Environmental Protection Agency to cabinet level status. I also wanted believe that the new Department of the Environment will ensure to that environmental concerns are an integral part of decision- this making at the highest level of the federal government explore also would Executive Brench to step this will I (understand your concerns about the proposed Johnson amendment, issue help which will require that a cost benefit analysis be performed before any final rulemaking is issued by the new Department. personally us to Please be assured that this Administration opposed sy the Johnson The with the Amendment on the Senate floor and will continue to oppose it in the House and in Conference It is our view that while this appropriate Administration can accept the organization or operation of the Department, we will continue to oppose any amendments relating to people policy or the substance of EPA's mission to protect human health - and the environment. We vige instead, that the feeul of this legislation be kept on arganizational and similar structural my Again, thank you for sharing your concerns with me. issues rather staff than on and Sincerely, matters of win environment comparative the Vice policy risk Ls Cresident. BC finalizal Svch. reorganization that the of environmental Lml therefore vign non (inclusion amendment of the in Johnsten do this not we that seel neither the include House legiclation We the Engenence Bill. believe that this addition it in Mon n generally, would help m accomptic it is intentin our Congress of the United States Mashington, DC 20515 July 16, 1993 Mr. Thomas F. "Mack" McLarty Chief of Staff The White House Washington, D.C. 20500 Dear Mr. McLarty: As you know, the Administration has proposed to abolish the Coun- cil on Environmental Quality (CEQ) and to transfer its functions under the National Environmental Policy Act (NEPA) of 1969 and other legislation to a new cabinet level Department on Environ- mental Protection based on the present Environmental Protection Agency (EPA). Legislation to accomplish this objective has passed the Senate in the form of S. 171, the Department of Envi- ronmental Protection Act of 1993. In the House, action on an EPA cabinet bill is scheduled in the Committee on Government Operations but neither the CEQ provision passed by the Senate, nor any alternative to it, has yet been considered. Pending legislative action by the Congress, the CEQ, which is a permanent agency, would continue but it will obviously require funding to carry out its statutory responsibilities. The Administration has not requested an appropriation for the CEQ for Fiscal Year 1994. As indicated in the enclosed letters to Subcommittee Chairman Stokes of the House Committee on Appropria- tions and to Vice President Gore, we are concerned that such lack of funding may leave the requirements of NEPA and other applica- ble provisions of law in a highly uncertain status. In the enclosed June 8, 1993, colloquy on the House Floor, Chair- man Stokes indicated that pursuant to an Administration request, funds were included in the Treasury, Postal Service Appropria- tions bill, H.R. 2403, for a new White House Office of Environ- mental Policy, which is not a statutory office but is supported by the Office of Policy Development. He suggests that the new office might carry out some of the functions now conducted by the Council. However, such a legislative directive is not and should not be a part of the appropriations bill. Those functions remain a statutory responsibility of the CEQ until the Congress enacts legislation to abolish it and transfers its NEPA functions. Mr. Thomas F. "Mack" McLarty July 16, 1993 Page Two Although the Government Operations Committee may report an EPA cabinet bill next week, it is also likely that full House action and a conference with the Senate will not be completed until this fall, after Fiscal Year 1994 begins. While we reluctantly sup- port abolishment of the CEQ as a cost. saving measure, we have developed an alternative draft for retaining the NEPA functions in the Executive Office of the President, with authority to transfer some of those functions to the new department, and have provided it to the Vice President. We are sure you agree that funding for the CEQ must be provided for Fiscal Year 1994 pending resolution of these legislative is- sues. Your cooperation in working with us and the House and Sen- ate Appropriations Committees to ensure such funding and compli- ance with the law will be appreciated. Please advise the Appro- priations Committees and us of the amounts needed for this pur- pose. Once legislation is enacted, provision can be made for a transfer of those funds as appropriate. We are providing a copy of this letter to Chairman Stokes and Chairwoman Mikulski so they are aware of our concerns and in order to work with them in funding the CEQ. with kind regards. Sincerely, John D. Dingell Chairman Gerry apr E. Studds Chairman Committee on Energy Committee on Merchant and Commerce Marine and Fisheries Enclosures CC: The Honorable Albert Gore, Jr. Vice President of the United States The Honorable Louis Stokes, Chairman Subcommittee on VA, HUD, and Independent Agencies House Committee on Appropriations The Honorable Barbara Mikulski, Chairwoman Subcommittee on VA, HUD, and Independent Agencies Senate Committee on Appropriations The Honorable Leon Panetta, Director Office of Management and Budget ONE HUNDRED THIRD CONGRESS STAFF DIRECTOR JEFFREY R PIKE GERRY 1. STUDDS. MASSACHUSETTS, CHAIRMAN CHIEF COUNSEL WILLIAM W STELLE JR. WILLIAM J HUGHES. NEW JERSEY JACK FIELDS. TEXAS EARL HUTTO FLORIDA DON YOUNG ALASKA WJ (BILLY) TAUZIN LOUISIANA HERBERT H BATEMAN VIRGINIA MINORITY STAFF DIRECTOR WILLIAM o LIPINSKI ILLINOIS JIM SAXTON NEW JERSEY U.S. house of Representatives MARRY F BURROUGHS SOLOMON , ORTIZ. TEXAS HOWARD COBLE. NORTH CAROLINA MINORITY CHIEF COUNSEL THOMAS J MANTON NEW YORK CURT WELDON PENNSYLVANIA Committee on CYNTHIA M WILKINSON OWEN B. PICKETT VIRGINIA JAMES M. INHOFE. OKLAHOMA GEORGE 1 HOCHBRUECKNER NEW YORK ARTHUR RAVENEL JR., SOUTH CAROLINA FRANK PALLONE. JR. NEW JERSEY WAYNE T GILCHREST. MARYLAND Merchant Marine and Fisheries GREG LAUGHLIN TEXAS RANDY "DUKE" CUNNINGHAM. CALIFORNIA JOLENE UNSOELD WASHINGTON JACK KINGSTON GEORGIA GENE TAYLOR MISSISSIPPI TILLIE K FOWLER. FLORIDA Room 1334, Longworth house Office Building JACK REED AMODE ISLAND MICHAEL N CASTLE DELAWARE H MARTIN LANCASTER NORTH CAROLINA PETER T KING. NEW YORK TROMAS M ANDREWS MAINE LINCOLN AZ-BALART FLORIDA Mashington, DC 20515-6230 ELIZABETH FURSE OREGON RICHARD W POMBO. CALIFORNIA LYNN SCHENK CALIFORNIA GENE GREEN TEXAS ALCEE L HASTINGS. FLORIDA DAN HAMBURG. CALIFORNIA BLANCHE M LAMBERT. ARKANSAS ANNA G ESHOO. CALIFORNIA THOMAS J BARLOW. HI. KENTUCKY BART STUPAK. MICHIGAN May 25, 1993 BENNIE G. THOMPSON. MISSISSIPPI MARIA CANTWELL WASHINGTON PETER DEUTSCH, FLORIDA GARY L ACKERMAN. NEW YORK The Honorable Louis Stokes Chairman Subcommittee on VA, HUD, and Independent Agencies H-143, The Capitol Washington, D. c; 20515 Dear Mr. Chairman: As you know, the Administration proposes to abolish the Council on Environmental Quality (CEQ) and transfer functions to the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA). The Council is the institution that oversees implementation of the National Envi- ronmental Policy Act of 1969 (NEPA) by federal agencies and is critical to the continued administration of one of our most important environmental laws. Because CEQ was established by law as Title II of NEPA, this abolition will require appropriate legislation. Such legislation, although not yet introduced in the House, is likely to be considered when our colleague John Conyers brings an EPA cabinet bill to the floor. As Chairman of the Committee with jurisdiction over these matters, I have been working on crafting a bill, in cooperation with Representative John Dingell who is the author in the House of NEPA and CEQ, and today we are sending a draft proposal to the Administration for review and comment. Representative Dingell and I have developed an alternative to the procedure contained in S. 171, the Senate EPA cabinet bill, which would abolish the CEQ, retain the NEPA functions in the Executive Office of the President, but allow the transfer of some functions to EPA. This approach is favored by most environmental organizations but will require negotiations with the Administra- tion. John Dingell and I are concerned that your Committee may not include funds for the CEQ in the HUD appropriations bill for FY 1994, the result of which would be effectively to abolish this The Honorable Louis Stokes May 25, 1993 Page Two important body without a clear replacement institution to imple- ment NEPA. We and the environmental community do not favor such a back door approach to this problem. We thus urge you to include funds for the CEQ, pending legisla- tive resolution of this matter. With full appreciation for the budgetary constraints under which you are working, we are asking for an appropriation of only $1.249 million for CEQ to concen- trate its work in FY 1994 on NEPA-specific functions. This represents over a 50% reduction from the FY 1993 appropriation of $2.560 million and is no more than a bare bones budget for the Council in the event that we are unable to resolve the issue of its replacement. We assure you that it is our intent to settle this matter very promptly and we also want to work closely with you in this regard. With kind regards. Sincerely, Gerry an E. Studds Chairman cc: The Honorable John Dingell H4096 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD-HOUSE June 28, 1993 Ohio, chairman of the va. HUD. and Mr. Chairman, I would just like to CEQ oversees the implementation of Independent Agencies Subcommittee, say that the appropriations sub- the National Environmental Policy Act to engage in a colloquy. committees this year appear to be [NEPA] by Federal agencies. It. or Mr. STOKES. Yes, Mr. Chairman, if headed in the right direction by scruti- some successor institution. must con- the gentleman will yield. I will be nizing projects and spending more tinue to administer NEPA, one of this happy to engage in a colloquy with the closely than they have in the past. Nation's most important environ- gentlemen from Florida. However, there are still some improve- mental laws. Mr. DEUTSCH Mr. Chairman, I ments that can be made. I believe that none of us want to see would like to bring to the attention of For instance. this bill contains $4.223 the Council abolished without a suit- all the Members here today the impor- billion for community development able replacement to implement NEPA. tance of the Florida Keys National Ma- block grants. That is up $223 million Terminating the Council will require rine Sanctuary. from fiscal year 1993. appropriate legislation. which is likely Congress, too, recognized the impor- When the President brought his stim- to be considered when this House takes tance of this area in 1999 by enacting ulus package to the floor, we had a lot up the EPA-Cabinet bill. the Florida Keys National Marine of money in there for community de- The father of NEPA and CEQ here in Sanctuary Act. This sanctuary is one velopment block grant programs. We the House, our esteemed colleague. of the largest marine-protected areas are going to be spending this extra $223 JOHN DINGELL, and I have been working in the United States, and undoubtedly, on a proposal for a responsible replace- million on some of those programs. the most heavily used and threatened. ment for CEQ and the transfer of some Some of those programs included It also protects America's most valu- NEPA functions to the new Environ- such things as a golf course. a beach able marine ecosystem. mental Protection Department. I be- parking garage at $5 million. a cerne- Mr. STOKES. It sounds as though the lieve that we will be able to reach an tery. historic preservation of a movie Florida Bay is extremely important to agreement that is satisfactory to the theater at $3.5 million. gym replace- water quality in this area. administration, the Congress, the envi- ment at $4.5 million. swimming pool Mr. DEUTSCH Yes, it ia. Water qual- ronmental community. and others. renovation at $3.22 million. and so ity was the driving concern which Mr. Chairman. there remains the pos- forth caused Congress to expeditiously des- sibility that the EPA-Cabinet bill or So, I believe there is a need for com- ignate the waters around the Florida the CEQ legislation will not be enacted munity development block grant Keys, including the only living coral by the end of this fiscal year. In that money. But to increase it at a time reef in North America, as a marine event. CEQ will need to be continued when we are having these severe fiscal sanctuary in 1990. into fiscal year 1994 to carry out essen- problems is highly questionable. No. 1. Over the past 2 years, a detailed re- tial NEPA-related work. and, No. 2. I question where this money search and monitoring plan has been I note that your bill, in conformance developed with the participation of is going to be spent and for what it is with the request of the administration. State and local governments. The high- going to be spent. does not include an appropriation for In addition to that. I will be propos- est priority identified in this plan is the Council. Is my understanding cor- the crisis in Florida Bay. The water ing an amendment that deals with the rect? policy development and research at Mr. STOKES. That is correct. quality problems of the Florida Keys HUD. They are going to be requesting Mr. STUDDS. It was expected that National Marine Sanctuary have geo- graphic dimensions far greater than $25 million more than in fiscal year the CEQ matter and the NEPA-related the 3,000-square-mile area within the 1993. That is $50 million more than responsibilities would be completed by boundaries of the sanctuary itself. President Clinton has asked for. In ad- now. Unfortunately. these issues are dition to that, there is a real problem. not resolved. Further funding is necessary for the plan to begin scientific research and because the spending in this area is Therefore, Mr. Chairman. I would monitoring to guide and evaluate cor- going to be changed and it is going to like your assurance that. pending the rective actions that are moving ahead be distributed at the Secretary of enactment of a bill to replace CEQ. you HUD's discretion. Do any of my col- will work with the other body in con- with the cooperation of many agencies. leagues remember the HUD scandal ference to address this matter and to The Federal Government is not being asked to pay the entire cost of the that we had before? support the Council for 1 more year needed actions, as the State of Florida There should be congressional over- until this issue can be worked out with and local governments are jointly in- sight of these spending programs, and all parties concerned. volved. we should not have a alush fund once Mr. STOKES. Mr. Chairman, I want It would seem to me that in order to again created at HUD. It appears as to assure the gentleman from Massa- fulfill our commitment to protecting though that is what we are talking chusetta, the chairman of the authoriz- this most valuable national resource, about doing. ing committee that has jurisdiction we must emphasize the need to fully So I would just like to say to my col- over NEPA and CEQ. that I recognize league, I will have two amendments the importance of the Council for the support the water quality protection program now developed fer the marine dealing with these two areas, and I implementation of NEPA. hope Members will look with favor It is my understanding that. in the sanctuary. I would ask my colleague for his as- upon both of them. Treasury-Postal Service appropriations surance that, should additional funds Mr. STOKES. Mr. Chairman. I yield bill passed in the House recently. funds for this project be provided later in the 2½ minutes to the distinguished gen- were provided for the new Office of En- tleman from Massachusetts [Mr. vironmental Policy. This new entity process, he will do everything he can to provide these funds. STUDDS). was, in part, created to carry out some Mr. STOKES. Mr. Chairman, the gen- Mr. STUDDS. Mr. Chairman, I would of the activities now conducted by the tleman from Florida has my assurance like to engage the chairman of the sub- Council on Environmental Quality. that I will make every effort to provide committee in a colloquy about the The gentleman has my assurance Council on Environmental Quality that, if a legislative resolution of this additional funds for this purpose and to review this issue during conference [CEQ]. matter has not been found by the time with the other body. Mr. STOKES. If the gentleman will this bill goes to conference with the yield, Mr. Chairman, I would be happy other body. and the issue of the roles of 1310 to engage in a callaquy with the gen- the Office of Environmental Policy and Mr. LEWIS of California. Mr. Chair- tleman from Massachusetts. CEQ have been resolved-including man, I yield 2 minutes to the gen- STUDUS. As you know, the ad- funding and staffing issues, I will make tleman from Indiana [Mr. BURTON]. ministration has proposed to abolish every effort to support CEQ at the time Mr. BURTON of Indiana. Mr. Chair- CEQ and transfer many of its functions of conference. I would hope that I man. I thank the gentleman for yield- to a new Department of Environmental might get the gentleman's assurance Protection. too that be will do what he can to set- ing. June 28, 1993 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD-HOUSE H4097 tle this matter legislatively as soon as have had the kind of support we had ment of our space program and bring- possible. during the authorizing process. Indeed. ing us a model of management that Mr. STUDDS. The gentleman from I think the contribution he has made will make the space program run more Ohio has my assurance that Chairman to this appropriations process is very efficiently. And we will be able to get DINGELL and I will make every effort to important. I want the Members to the biggest bang for the buck. resolve the CEQ issue well before this know that, and I want to express my But the space station funding in this appropriations bill is in conference. I appreciation for that. bill represents more than $4 billion Γe- thank the chairman of the subcommit- Mr. BROWN of California. Mr. Chair- duction over the next 5 years. That is tee for his time and for his expression man, I certainly am grateful to the at least a 25-percent savings. The an- of support for CEQ. gentleman for his expression. Of nual cost of operating the station. once Mr. LEWIS of California. Mr. Chair- course. since he participated in these it has been in orbit, has been cut in man. I yield such time as he may activities, he knows how hard we half from $2 billion to about $1 billion. consume to the gentleman from Ne- worked. He also knows how much I ap- We can have a real space station and braska [Mr. BEREUTER]. preciate the contribution that he has contribute to deficit reduction at the made to getting a better understanding (Mr. BEREUTER asked and was same time. of these programs and helping to sup- given permission to revise and extend As a result of the redesign process. port them. his remarks.) NASA plans to make major manage- I thank the gentleman for yielding ment restructuring. which they esti- Mr. BEREUTER. Mr. Chairman. I time to me. mate will save $300 million a year. The rise in strong support of this appropria- Mr. LEWIS of California. Mr. Chair- Vest Committee believes savings from tion legislation. man. I yield such time as he may management changes alone can add up Mr. Chairman, I rise in strong support, in consume to my colleague. the gen- to anywhere between $700 million to $1 general, of H.R. 2491-the important excep- tleman from Texas (Mr. DELAY]. billion per year for NASA overall. tion being the proposed funding for the space Mr. DELAY. Mr. Chairman, I thank NASA, with a budget at seven-tenths station. the gentleman for yielding time to me. of 1 percent of the Federal total, gen- This Member would also like to direct com- Let me just start out by associating erates about $7 in return for every dol- mendations to the distinguished gentleman myself with what the gentleman from California [Mr. LEWIS]. has said about lar invested by the Government. Dol- from Ohio (Mr. STOKES), the chairman of the the chairman of the Committee on lars return in jobs, reinvestment in subcommittee, and the distinguished gen- tieman from California [Mr. LEWIS], the ranking Science, Space, and Technology. and communities, and spin-off tech- member of the subcommittee for their excep- along with that my congratulations to nologies. tional work in bringing this bill to the floor. the chairman of this committee on his Nationally, 75,000 people in 40 States Mr. Chairman, the 1994 VA/HUD/Independ- maiden voyage as chairman of this sub- are employed in space station-related ent Agencies appropriations bill for fiscal year committee. I have thoroughly enjoyed jobs. At a time of cutbacks in defense 1994 includes funding in the amount of serving with him. spending and a weak airline industry. I must say that the chairman is very we cannot afford to deal yet another $257,320,000 for Indian housing new con- much a breath of fresh air when it blow to the aerospace industry. struction. That amount is the level requested comes to NASA. The space station is absolutely vital by the administration and is the same amount The gentleman from Ohio, Chairman if human beings are to learn to live and as last year's appropriation. Balancing the great need for new housing in STOKES. has been very open and honest work in space 60 that we return perma- with those of us that support the space nently to the Moon and go to Mars and Indian country with the imperative facing us to reduce our budget deficit, a freeze at last program in this country and has been explore outer space. We need the sta- very cooperative. Our ranking member, tion to study the effects on the human year's funding level is entirely appropriate and the gentleman from California [Mr. body of long-term exposure to the rig- the members of the committee should be com- mended for funding this program at this level. LEWIS] has done a yoeman's job in sup- ors of space and a gravity-free environ- This Member also supports the appropriations porting NASA. And. of course, the gen- ment. tleman from California. Chairman Americans have always been pio- level for the Community Development Block Grant Program, which is among the most of- BROWN and the gentleman from Penn- neers. With the space station, we can fective and important to the Nation's munici- sylvania [Mr. WALKER] have been just explore the most challenging frontier palities of all sizes, fantastic. of all. Again, Mr. Chairman, this Member com- All four of these gentlemen under- But as important as all this, space mends the distinguished gentleman from Ohio stand how important to this country a exploration has long served as an inspi- [Mr. STOKES], the chairman of the subcommit- space program is, how important it is ration to our children. At a time when tee, and the distinguished gentleman from to our young people, how important it interest in math and science are wan- California [Mr. LEWIS], the ranking member of is to our technology race in the world, ing. the exciting conquest of space has the subcommittee for their continued support and how important it is in developing inspired many engineers and scientists. new products and new services that We cannot afford not to be in space and of this important project. Mr. STOKES. Mr. Chairman, I yield 2 create jobs in this country. developing a space program in this minutes to the distinguished gen- The President has recognized the im- country. tleman from California [Mr. BROWN). portance of investing in our future I appreciate our subcommittee and through the space station program. He our full committee for supporting the (Mr. BROWN of California asked and was given permission to revise and ex- has also recognized the wisdom of se- space station and supporting NASA tend his remarks.) lecting an option that preserves as programs. much of the current space station Free- Mr. STOKES. Mr. Chairman. I re- 1420 dom design as possible, building upon serve the balance of my time. Mr. LEWIS of California. Mr. Chair- the investment we have already made Mr. LEWIS of California. Mr. Chair- man, I yield 1 minute to the gentleman toward the goals of permanent human man, I yield 2 minutes to the gen- from California [Mr. BROWN], and I do presence in space and full scientific ca- tleman from Florida [Mr. MICA]. 80 by expressing my deep appreciation pability in the orbiting laboratory. Mr. MICA. Mr. Chairman. I rise in op- to my colleague from California for his Through the space station redesign position today to this legislation. Most leadership on the authorizing commit- process, billions of dollars have been specifically. I rise in opposition to the tee. targeted as savings. This is one Mem- expenditure of $1.4 billion to the EPA's I must say to the gentleman from ber that criticized the redesign process, Superfund. California [Mr. BROWN], if he had not when it was started by the President, I serve as a member of the Commit- gone through the extended process, but I must admit here and now that I tee on Government Operations. As a holding separate hearings, inviting was wrong. The redesign process has new member. I have been appalled by Members not on the committee in to done some excellent work, particularly the amount of waste, fraud, abuse, and hear expert testimony. we would not in the area of redesigning the manage- lack of oversight of EPA. ONE HUNDRED THIRD CONGRESS JOHN D. DINGELL MICHIGAN, CHAIRMAN HENRY A WAXMAN. CALIFORNIA CARLOS J. MOORHEAD CALIFORNIA PHILIP R SHARP INDIANA THOMAS J. BLILEY. JR. VIRGINIA H.S. House of Representatives EDWARD J. MARKEY MASSACHUSETTS JACK FIELDS. TEXAS AL SWIFT. WASHINGTON MICHAEL G. OXLEY. OHIO CARDISS COLLINS. ILLINOIS MICHAEL BILIRAKIS. FLORIDA Committee on Energy and Commerce MIKE SYNAR. OKLAHOMA DAN SCHAEFER COLORADO W J. BILLY TAUZIN. LOUISIANA JOE BARTON. TEXAS RON WYDEN. OREGON ALEX McMILLAN, NORTH CAROLINA Room 2125, Rapburn House Office Building RALPH M HALL. TEXAS J. DENNIS HASTERT, ILLINOIS BILL RICHARDSON NEW MEXICO FRED UPTON. MICHIGAN CLIFF STEARNS. FLORIDA Hashington, DC 20515-6115 JIM SLATTERY KANSAS JOHN BRYANT. TEXAS BILL PAXON NEW YORK RICK BOUCHER. VIRGINIA PAUL E. GILLMOR OHIO JIM COOPER. TENNESSEE SCOTT KLUG. WISCONSIN J. ROY ROWLAND. GEORGIA GARY A. FRANKS. CONNECTICUT THOMAS J. MANTON. NEW YORK JAMES C. GREENWOOD PENNSYLVANIA EDOLPHUS TOWNS. NEW YORK MICHAEL D. CRAPO. IDAHO GERRY E. STUDDS. MASSACHUSETTS June 17, 1993 RICHARD H LEHMAN. CALIFORNIA FRANK PALLONE. JR. NEW JERSEY CRAIG A. WASHINGTON. TEXAS LYNN SCHENK. CALIFORNIA SHERROD BROWN. OHIO MIKE KREIDLER. WASHINGTON MARJORIE MARGOLIES.MEZVINSKY. PENNSYLVANIA BLANCHE M. LAMBERT. ARKANSAS ALAN J. ROTH. STAFF DIRECTOR AND CHIEF COUNSEL DENNIS B. FITZGIBBONS. DEPUTY STAFF DIRECTOR The Honorable Al Gore Vice President of the United States Old Executive Office Building Washington, D.C. 20501 Dear Mr. Vice President: Enclosed is a letter I received from two former Senate staff members who were counsels to the then Senate Committee on Interior and Insular Affairs when the late Senator Scoop Jackson was Chairman. Their letter expresses deep concern about the Administration's proposal regarding the Council on Environmental Quality (CEQ) and the National Environmental Policy Act (NEPA) of 1969. Also enclosed is my response in which I indicate a desire to work together with Chairman Gerry Studds and the Administration to resolve this matter. With every good wish Sincerely, JOHN D. DINGELL CHAIRMAN CC: The Honorable Gerry Studds, Chairman Committee on Merchant Marine and Fisheries The Honorable Carol M. Browner, Administrator Environmental Protection Agency ONE HUNDRED THIRD CONGRESS JOHN D DINGELL MICHIGAN CHAIRMAN HENRY A WAXMAN CALIFORNIA CARLOS J MOORHEAD CALIFORNIA PHIL.P a SHARP INDIANA THOMAS J. BL.LEY JR. VIRGINIA EDWARD J MARKEY MASSACHUSETTS JACK FIELDS. TEXAS H.S. House of Representatives AL SWIFT WASHINGTON MICHAEL G OXLEY. OHIO CARDISS COLLINS ILLINOIS MICHAEL BIL:RAKIS FLORIDA MIKE SYNAR. OKLAHOMA DAN SCHAEFER COLORADO Committee on Energy and Commerce WJ BILLY TAUZIN LOUISIANA JOE BARTON TEXAS RON WYDEN OREGON ALEX MCMILLAN NORTH CAROLINA Room 2125, Rapburn house Office Building RALPH M HALL. TEXAS J. DENNIS MASTERT ILLINOIS BILL RICHARDSON NEW MEXICO FRED UPTON. MICHIGAN JIM SLATTERY KANSAS CLIFF STEARNS FLORIDA ashington, DC 20513-6115 JOHN BRYANT. TEXAS BILL PAXON. NEW YORK RICK BOUCHER. VIRGINIA PAUL L GILLMOR. OHIO IM COOPER. TENNESSEE SCOTT KLUG. WISCONSIN J. ROY ROWLAND. GEORGIA GARY A. FRANKS. CONNECTICUT THOMAS J MANTON. NEW YORK JAMES C. GREENWOOD. PENNSYLVANIA EDOLPHUS TOWNS. NEW YORK MICHAEL D. CRAPO. IDAHO GERRY E STUDDS. MASSACHUSETTS June 17, 1993 RICHARD M. LEHMAN. CALIFORNIA FRANK PALLONE JR. NEW JERSEY CRAIG A. WASHINGTON. TEXAS LYNN SCHENK. CALIFORNIA SHERROD BROWN. OHIO MIKE KREIDLER. WASHINGTON MARJORIE MARGOLIES-MEZVINSKY. PENNSYLVANIA BLANCHE M. LAMBERT, ARKANSAS ALAN J. ROTH. STAFF DIRECTOR AND CHIEF COUNSEL DENNIS B. FITZGISSONS. DEPUTY STAFF DIRECTOR Mr. William J. Van Ness Mr. Grenville Garside Van Ness, Feldman and Curtis 1050 Thomas Jefferson Street, N.W. Seventh Floor Washington, D.C. 20007 Dear Bill and Gren: I appreciate and welcome your timely letter reminding me of the historic development and enactment of the National Environmental Policy Act (NEPA) of 1969. I am saddened, however, to be reminded that the other NEPA leaders, "Scoop" Jackson, Ed Muskie, and Mo Udall, are no longer here to also remind everyone of the significance, importance, and effectiveness of NEPA. I share your obvious concern and frustration, as does the Chairman of the Committee on Merchant Marine and Fisheries, Representative Gerry Studds, about the Administration's proposals regarding NEPA. Enclosed is Chairman Studds' letter to the House Committee on Appropriations regarding funding for the Council on Environmental Quality (CEQ) pending a legislative solution. We want to work closely with the Clinton Administration on this matter. In fact, we recently shared with Vice President Gore and Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) Administrator Browner an alternative legislative proposal that would retain the important NEPA functions in the Executive Office of the President. While I can reluctantly support termination of the Council on Environmental Quality (CEQ) and the ending of CEQ's annual report, I cannot support a transfer of the CEQ's statutory functions to an agency to which NEPA applies, directly or indirectly, regardless of whether that agency is a cabinet-level department. Folding NEPA into any of these agencies, such as proposed in the Senate-passed EPA Cabinet bill, S. 171, would diminish "the NEPA importance" that you so succinctly describe. Mr. William J. Van Ness Mr. Grenville Garside Page 2 I believe that most environmental groups share the views you express. It is my hope that we can convince the Administration that either CEQ not be abolished at all or that the approach we suggest or one very similar to it should be adopted separately or as part of an EPA cabinet bill. Again thank you for your helpful comments. I welcome any further suggestions you may have toward achieving our goal of keeping the NEPA institution created by Congress in 1969 alive and unencumbered. I have taken the liberty of sharing your letter with Chairman Studds and Vice President Gore. With every good wish. Can JOHN D. DINGELL Sincerely, CHAIRMAN CC: The Honorable Al Gore Vice President of the United States The Honorable Thomas S. Foley, Speaker U.S. House of Representatives The Honorable Richard A. Gephardt, Majority Leader U.S. House of Representatives The Honorable David E. Bonior, Minority Whip U.S. House of Representatives The Honorable Gerry Studds, Chairman Committee on Merchant Marine and Fisheries The Honorable Louis Stokes, Chairman Committee on Standards of Official Conduct VAN NESS, FELDMAN & CURTIS A PROFESSIONAL CORPORATION 1033 JUlios8 THOMAS JEFFERSON STREET. N.W. SEVENTH FLOOR WASHINGTON, D.C. 20007 ELLEN 5. YOUNG STEPHEN C. FOTIS RICHARD A. AGNEW** MARGARET A. MOORE JEANNE MARIE GALICICH ROSS D. AIN RICHARD A PENNA PAMELA , ANDERSON (202) 298 1800 MARY JANE GRAHAM GARY D. BACHMAN DANIEL S. PRESS MIRIAM $. ARONOFF BENJAMIN L ISRAEL CHARLES B. CURTIS JULIA R. RICHARDSON FACSIMILE NOREEN TAMA BELLEGARDE SAM KALEN PETER O. DICKSON HOWARD ELIOT SHAPIRO PAUL C. BLACKBURN (202) 338-2416 JOSEPH 8. NELSON* HOWARD J. FELOMAN LINDA G. STUNTZ HOWARD BLEICHFELD BRUCE W. STECKLER* GRENVILLE GARSIDE MICHAEL A. SWIGER SEATTLE OFFICE JOHN J. BUCHOVECKY DANIEL J. WHITTLE D. ERIC HULTMAN ROBERT G. SZABO THE NATIONAL BUILDING. SUITE 506 JENNIFER B. CORWIN THERESA. ZOLET ALAN L. MINTZ WILLIAM J. VAN NESS. JR. 1008 WESTERN AVENUE BRUCE $. DEMING J. CURTIS MOFFATT BEN YAMAGATA SEATTLE. WASHINGTON 98104 T. ARAM FASANO* or COUNSEL CHERYL M. FEIK* CYNTHIA INGERSOLL RESIDENT MEMBER SEATTLE OFFICE WRITER'S DIRECT DIAL NUMBER *NOT ADMITTED IN DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA June 9, 1993 The Honorable John D. Dingell Chairman Committee on Energy and Commerce United States House of Representatives 2125 Rayburn House Office Building Washington, D.C. 20515-6115 Dear Mr. Chairman: Twenty-four years ago a small group of Senators and Representatives, meeting in Conference Committee in the United States Capitol, reached agreement on the final text of the National Environmental Policy Act of 1969 (NEPA). This concluding meeting on the shape, content and policy of NEPA received scant attention from the media or representatives of industry, environmental organizations and major Federal agencies. However, the decisions taken by the participants in this conference committee were both bold and far-reaching. They drew upon decades of legislative oversight and experience. They built upon the experience of the National Security Council and the Council of Economic Advisors. And finally, they reflected a hard-earned understanding of what is required to bring mission oriented agencies into compliance with national policies which change the thrust of historical agendas. NEPA has had a profound and lasting effect on Federal policy over the past quarter of a century. It has opened agency decision-making to public review and accountability. Through the Council on Environmental Quality (CEQ), it has institutionalized concerns about the quality of the human environment in the White House. VAN NESS. FELOMAN & CURTIS 2 NEPA and CEQ have shown the strength and resiliency to survive both public controversy and Presidential neglect. Today, however, NEPA faces the first real threat to its continued viability. The Clinton Administration has proposed, and the environmental community has largely acquiesced in, the abolishment of the CEQ and the transfer of its responsibilities for the annual report on the environment and regulatory oversight of the EIS process to the new Department of Environmental Protection. With little examination of the far reaching consequences of this proposed action, the Clinton Administration now stands close to achieving an objective which other Administrations hostile to NEPA objectives did not even dare to propose. of the four major sponsors of NEPA -- and the best witnesses of its purpose, intent and performance over the past twenty-five years -- three no longer serve in the Congress. Senator Jackson is deceased. Senator Muskie and Congressman Udall are retired. Mr. Chairman, you alone provide the link, the sole institutional memory, for making informed judgments about the purpose of Congress in the late 1960's in enacting NEPA and the justification for the major changes now proposed. You alone have first hand knowledge of how Federal decision-making impacted the environment, before and after NEPA. We respectfully urge you to bring the critical policy issues presented out into the open for full public debate and examination. If the institutional process and the policy mandated by NEPA are to be fundamentally changed, these changes should only be made after the same informed Congressional consideration and debate that put them in place a quarter of a century ago. As attorneys who served as legal counsel to the Interior and Insular Affairs Committee and to Chairman Jackson in the 1960's and 1970's we were privileged to participate in the hearings, the analysis, the drafting and the implementation of NEPA. We saw Congress under your leadership declare and enact an enlightened and strong policy on the environment long before the environment became a fashionable and popular cause to champion. NEPA's importance to the Nation lies in the fact that it does not focus on attaining any specific environmental goals or objectives. Instead, NEPA's focus is on disciplining the process of all Federal decision-making which impacts the environment. NEPA mandates that all of the relevant facts be placed on the record. Impacts, both economic and environmental, must be identified. Alternative courses of action must be considered. NEPA does not mandate which decision should be made. But NEPA does mandate that decisions be informed, rational, carefully considered and made on the record. VAN NESS, FELOMAN & CURTIS 3 Finally, unlike many other environmental laws NEPA is not about opposing technology, limiting growth, or fostering preservation. NEPA is about restoring "balance" in Federal decisions. As set forth in the Policy Declaration of Section 101 (a) NEPA's purpose is to foster and promote the general welfare, to create and maintain conditions under which man and nature can live in productive harmony, and fulfill the social, economic, and other requirements of present and future generations of Americans. We are not satisfied that a strong or a compelling case has been made in support of the changes proposed by the Administration. We grant that transfer of CEQ function to EPA will result in some reduction in White House staff positions (and an offsetting or greater increase at the new Department of the Environment). It will also give greater discretion -- and less oversight and accountability to Congress and the public -- in White House decision-making on environmental issues. And it will surely reduce the level of responsibility for NEPA implementation from the highest levels of the White House to an unknown level of a very large, overtasked bureaucracy in a new Department of government. There is no way that this new Department, however well organized or managed, can successfully oversee the environmental consequences of decision-making in all other Federal departments and agencies. Indeed, that was a fundamental reason for enacting NEPA and creating the CEQ in 1969. One would have hoped that the new Administration would have come to office committed to restore and revitalize CEQ with renewed priority, adequate staff and talented leadership. Instead, it has proposed the abolition of an institution conceived by Congress to assure that all Federal agencies address the environmental consequences of their proposed actions in a credible manner and in public view. Mr. Chairman, it is not too late to avert action which we believe will undermine our nation's most important environmental statute. Sincerely, Bill Ness William J. Van Ness Grenville Garside