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- 12 - is apprehended by the service or the police department and they are in the country or they're at the border and they say "I'd like to request asylum," that's defensive. Those are not the 275,000 that you folks have been writing about. Then there is what is called affirmative asylum, and those are people that are in the country here, illegally or legally, who come voluntarily before the service and ask for asylum. And that's the 275,000. Q If someone shows up at an airport and arrives at JFK with fraudulent documentation and you say this isn't legitimate and they say "I'd like political asylum," would that be affirmative asylum? SENIOR ADMINISTRATION OFFICIAL: That's defensive. Q That's defensive asylum? SENIOR ADMINISTRATION OFFICIAL: Right. Q How many would you say there are here who do not come by voluntarily? Q Sarah, if I could just -- I don't have a sense of how many people seek defensive asylum and how many people seek affirmative asylum and how many end up -- SENIOR ADMINISTRATION OFFICIAL: Per year? Q -- per year. And how many end up getting asylum when they go through the process? SENIOR ADMINISTRATION OFFICIAL: Okay. The 275,000 backlog is before the Immigration Service. That's the affirmative asylum process. We receive around 80,000 to 90,000 applications per year. Q Before which -- SENIOR ADMINISTRATION OFFICIAL: That's the affirmative asylum process before the Immigration Service, before the asylum officers that was described. Q For which there is the 275,000-person backlog? SENIOR ADMINISTRATION OFFICIAL: Okay, wait a minute. If I may Wait a minute. Q How about on the defensive side, how many? SENIOR ADMINISTRATION OFFICIAL: I'd like to finish the question, please. Q Thank you. SENIOR ADMINISTRATION OFFICIAL: The quote before was that it was around -- SENIOR ADMINISTRATION OFFICIAL: Well, there's 10,000 at Kennedy Airport that applied for asylum last year. SENIOR ADMINISTRATION OFFICIAL: -- 30,000 before the immigration judges, that's the defensive asylum process that was described before. Q That's in addition to the 80 to 90,000 who applied for permanent asylum? MORE

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