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File scanned from the National Security Adviser's Memoranda of Conversation Collection at the Gerald R. Ford Presidential Library
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NATIONAL ARCHIVES AND RECORDS ADMINISTRATION
Presidential Libraries Withdrawal Sheet
WITHDRAWAL ID 010753
REASON FOR WITHDRAWAL
National security restriction
TYPE OF MATERIAL
Memorandum of Conversation
CREATOR'S NAME
Kissinger/Schlesinger/Scowcroft
CREATION DATE
12/07/1974
VOLUME
4 pages
COLLECTION/SERIES/FOLDER ID
036600082
COLLECTION TITLE
NATIONAL SECURITY ADVISER. MEORANDA OF
CONVERSATIONS
BOX NUMBER
7
FOLDER TITLE
December 7, 1974 - Kissinger,
Schlesinger
DATE WITHDRAWN
01/31/2000
WITHDRAWING ARCHIVIST
LET
REDACTED 8/7/06
2/9/09
10/13/09
MEMORANDUM
THE WHITE HOUSE
WASHINGTON
SECRET/NODIS/XGDS
MEMORANDUM OF CONVERSATION
PARTICIPANTS:
Dr. Henry A. Kissinger, Secretary of State
and Assistant to the President
for National Security Affairs
Dr. James R. Schlesinger, Secretary of Defense
Lt. Gen. Brent Scowcroft, Deputy Assistant
for National Security Affairs
TIME AND DATE:
Saturday, December 7, 1974
8:55 a.m.
PLACE:
Breakfast Meeting
The Pentagon
Kissinger: Buckley says the military is dumping on the Vladivostok agreement.
Schlesinger: That is absolutely wrong. All the leaders are solidly behind it.
Kissinger: We do have one problem with the agreement -- the issue of
"ballistic" on bomber armament. If I made a stink on the word ballistic, I
fear they may try to extend it to missiles on submarines, etcetera. I
would tend to drop the phrase and tell them that we will interpret it as
meaning ballistic.
Schlesinger: Is Vietnam hot enough to put a carrier in?
Kissinger: I am inclined to think we should put them in early. Once they
are committed, they won't stop for five carriers. I would put it in now.
Scowcroft: There aren't many measures we can make.
Schlesinger: We can rotate B-52's into Thailand from Guam, if you will
let us bring them back out.
Kissinger: I think the Soviet SS-9 now is mostly for use against China.
The Chinese, by the way, said you would be welcome in China.
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Schlesinger:
Will we get a decent oil bill?
We must have the flexibility to meet an offensive.
Are the Israelis trying hard to undermine Sadat?
Kissinger: Yes. It's a disaster.
I am giving a press conference. I will open with the Turkish statement.
At the NATO meetings, we have
Schlesinger: Averoff is not coming. He would like to come to Washington.
Kissinger: It is probably a good idea in June.
Schlesinger: How is Bitsios?
Kissinger: Outstanding. He ought to come first. If the Turk is there
alone, you should talk to him. Lean on him as a friend -- we are not
unsympathetic.
Schmidt says Goodpaster is poisoning the German generals against Haig.
He says it would help if we would do something nicefor Goodpaster to show
that NATO is not a dumping ground.
Scowcroft: The President could attend a. parade or put a medal on him.
Kissinger: The medal is plenty. He shouldn't be rewarded for being a
crybaby.
Schlesinger: How about
They want to reestablish
it. It would help for coverage in the Middle East. State wants to wait.
Kissinger: Let me handle it. We'll check. The damn State Department.
Schlesinger: How about attendance at South African events? McLucas was
told he couldn't go.
Kissinger:
Of course he can. Don't ever do that.
SEGRET/NODIS/XGDS
SECRET/NODIS/XGDS
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Schlesinger: The Enterprise is available to go into the Mediterranean
in February. It' S crossing now through the Indian Ocean. Do we want
it in the Mediterranean?
Kissinger: We may need it. The Israelis I don't think will offer much.
Allon ha S said he wants to see what Egypt will offer. What can they offer?
If that negotiation blows up then we better move the Enterprise into the
Mediterranean. We need contingency plans for seizing the oil fields and
for another war -- holding off the Soviet Union.
Schlesinger: Rosenthal is getting better.
Scowcroft: I wonder.
[There is further discussion about Cyprus and Turkey and Israel's
interests in the Cyprus issue. ]
Kissinger: We should study the question of giving military aid to Egypt.
Schlesinger: I agree, if you can pull it off politically.
Kissinger: If we can just sell 20 F-4' to Egypt, Sadat could show it to
his generals.
Schlesinger: On military supply for Israel, all but some of the critical
material is scheduled for shipment before April.
Kissinger: Can you hold it until after February? We can give it then as
a reward, or if negotiations fail, as a threat. But not before the Brezhnev
visit.
Schlesinger: We can reschedule it to slow it up some.
[Laser guided bombs were discussed. ]
Schlesinger: Off the North African littoral, we would like to go with our
reconnaissance to 25 miles, instead of 50 miles. Off Libya an d Algeria.
Kissinger: All right.
Scowcroft: If it takes a pile of paper, I will get it.
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SECRET/NODIS/XGDS
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Kissinger: At NATO, I would hold the nuclear package for now. About
March would be the best. I think Brezhnev might be ready to move on
MBFR in preparation for the summit.
Schlesinger: Leber is trying to reassure me on the Portuguese. He met
with their Defense Minister, Alves, and says they will let us use the
Azores.
Kissinger: I doubt it.
Schlesinger: I understand the Germans won't let us fly from Frankfurt
in an Israeli war.
Kissinger: Genscher says the Foreign Office won't protest the use of
Bremerhaven. But Schmidt didn't commit himself at all.
Schlesinger: I am getting tired of those guys.
[There was discussion of Thailand, Taiwan,
and military cooperation with the French. ]
Kissinger: We should say that gestures are not enough. We must have
performance.
SEGRET/NODIS/XGDS
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NATIONAL ARCHIVES AND RECORDS ADMINISTRATION
Presidential Libraries Withdrawal Sheet
WITHDRAWAL ID 010754
REASON FOR WITHDRAWAL
National security restriction
TYPE OF MATERIAL
Memorandum of Conversation
CREATOR'S NAME
Kissinger/Schlesinger
DESCRIPTION
handwritten version of memcon #010743
CREATION DATE
12/07/1974
VOLUME
3 pages
COLLECTION/SERIES/FOLDER ID
036600082
COLLECTION TITLE
NATIONAL SECURITY ADVISER. MEORANDA OF
CONVERSATIONS
BOX NUMBER
7
FOLDER TITLE
December 7, 1974 - Kissinger,
Schlesinger
DATE WITHDRAWN
01/31/2000
WITHDRAWING ARCHIVIST
LET