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File scanned from the National Security Adviser's Memoranda of Conversation
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Collection at the Gerald R. Ford Presidential Library
MEMORANDUM
THE WHITE HOUSE
WASHINGTON
SECRET/NODIS/XGDS
MEMORANDUM OF CONVERSATION
PARTICIPANTS:
President Ford
Dr. Henry A. Kissinger, Secretary of State and
Assistant to the President for National
Security Affairs
Lt. General Brent Scowcroft, Deputy Assistant
to the President for National Security Affairs
DATE AND TIME:
Wednesday, June 25, 1975
11:17 a.m. - 12:24 p.m.
PLACE:
The Oval Office
GERALD
LIBRARY
Kissinger: I gave that speech in Atlanta yesterday. The Mayor and the
Governor were hanging around. I couldn't have a picture taken without
the politicians crowding around. This morning at the SOS Club and
Chowder and Marching Society, four of them asked me to talk in their
districts.
President: I am convinced what you have done in these speeches
Kissinger: I have the format better now. It is 90 percent boiler-plate
with two or three headline getters thrown in. The L.A. and Houston
speeches were too intellectual and boring.
NSC MEMO, 11/24/98, STATE DEPT. GUIDELINES, Stateleview 3/9/04
[Congressman Rhodes calls.]
NARA, DATE 5/20/04
Several of them said I should go to Minneapolis to take on Fraser.
I agree.
President: The polls and the crowds show you have the strength. That
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eventually will show in the Congress.
Kissinger: You made a real impact in Atlanta. Busbee said you are
unbeatable in Georgia. Only Kennedy of the present candidates has
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any chance. The Mayor said even among the blacks you will do
better than anyone expects.
President: Did you see that comment in the Christian Science Monitor?
I just saw the headline.
Kissinger: I wish they wouldn't make it so obvious.
President: I don't think it is harmful that Congress knows you are in
their home towns.
Kissinger: Every time I mention you, there is applause. Your human
touches are very effective. Busbee says he now knows you know more
about energy than anyone else, and he is supportive.
President: We just have to keep pushing.
Kissinger: Yes. The impression now is of dynamism.
My format now is to meet with the private power groups, speak,
and give a press conference. It is not like Watergate -- playing me
against the President. It is all supportive, and references to you bring
real response.
Busbee won't really give you any opposition next year.
President: I am convinced we have made a helluva lot of progress.
We still have a long way to go.
Kissinger: That gets us back to our friends. This is one of the most
inconceivable things I have ever seen. With their support, with the
upturn here, they could put you over the top. Rabin complained to
Marquis Childs about our giving things to Jordan and not Israel. We
gave them 200 tanks in April -- that's more than we give in two years
for Jordan.
[He shows the map.
Egypt now can't accept, and this freezes the Israeli position.
It makes us look like liars to the Syrians. This is a confrontational
position. They are hitting the Jewish community. My children will
suffer. They are gambling on being able to take us domestically.
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3.
Dean Rusk said if what is presented in this country is Semitism, then
the only counter is anti-Semitism. If it is true that Israel is not a
satellite of the U.S., neither is the U.S. a satellite of Israel. He got
tremendous applause.
President: This is a crass effort to undermine our foreign and
domestic policy.
Kissinger: Javits is willing to support lifting the Jackson amendment,
if they will just give a token increase in emigration. Last year
38, 000 wasn't enough. He said he wanted five minutes with you -- he
said he knows you are mad at him, but he wants to tell you as long
as you promise you won't let Israel be destroyed, you can do anything
else.
President: Why not show him the map?
Kissinger: I think you shouldn't bargain -- these guys know the country
isn't with them.
President: But if one of them knows what the Israelis are really doing
Kissinger: I would do it with Ribicoff then. He is more honorable.
Javits is too opportunistic. When I was on the ropes he ignored me. I
don't trust him. Let him come in; hear him for ten minutes. Tell him
you support the existence of Israel but they cannot run our foreign policy.
President: Let's get somebody down here who is Jewish and respected
so someone knows the facts.
Kissinger: Javits will want to appear as the moderator. We shouldn't
bargain with them.
We have heard from the Egyptians. Their answer is very tough.
[He reads from Eilts' cables.]
President: Where does that leave us?
Kissinger: We have drafted a letter to send to the Israelis. I recommend
you give it to Dinitz Friday. That would keep it out of the press for a
day or so in Israel, and Congress will be out here.
[General Scowcroft left briefly and returned.
GERALD
SECRET/NODIS/XGDS
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4.
You think about the letter. I don't want to rush it by you. I think
we should not give Israel the Egyptian counterproposal; we should not
tell him we will ask for reconsideration.
Tell Dinitz he is acc redited to the President of the United States.
If this continues you will have to take it to the American public. Be
ic y cold. You have no other choice. I think the tougher you are, the
more chance there is to move them. Only you can do it. We have to
know by the time I meet Gromyko. I think they will cave.
President: You are more optimistic than I am. I think we have to present
them something which they accept or reject.
Kissinger: I think your view is the right one. I think Brent should
protest to Dinitz in the sharpest terms today.
President: I should be prepared for a press conference question.
Kissinger: I would be as icy as can be. I would stick to the outline of
our policy as I gave it in Atlanta.
[General Scowcroft hands the President a copy of the Atlanta
speech. He leaves briefly, and returns. ]
President: I would send a letter to Banking, Ways and Means -- four
committees -- saying that shortly after recess we are prepared to move.
Kissinger: We'll do a draft and clear it with Simon. I don't think it is
bad to get Simon out ahead on this.
On the letter, I think we need enough of the history in, so if it is
leaked it is all there.
President: I agree. We may even have to release the letter.
Kissinger: If Israel had done this gracefully, think what a good position
we would now be in.
President: I like the letter. It is firm, not belligerent. I will study it.
Kissinger: Do you agree on having Dinitz in?
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President: Let's make it Friday morning.
GERALD
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