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12/12/53 - Reel 4, Track 1, Page 1 I'll get the figures from Livy, and I'll MR. ACHESON: Abet you five dollars that it increased not to Lisbon. Lisbon may be the point where it turned back. VOICE: Are you betting Ottawa or Lisbon? Kansas ARCHIVESE "NATIONAL ADMIN: a MR. ACHESON: I have developed the theory (confusion) VOICE: I have the impression of Lisbon being the largest of all. It is only an impression. MR. ACHESON: I think that is right. I would bet that Lisbon is the largest one after that. VOICE: And who would come the delegations that evenbto the pier Pierre (?) had nothing to do with it because all these characters from all over Europe would show up and . in thebleachers,asfremember- MR. ACHESON: Yes, the military were the worst. I've forgotten whether there were, I think at Rome ther were eleven or twelve form of American military planes four-motored which all lined up on the airfields, arrived full of brass, from stem to stern. This enlarging of the council had one good effect. I think so good in fact that it almost made up for the other ills. And that was that it really got interest started in other departments of the government. Interest and under- standing about NATO, and made it possible to get what would amount to an in had executive branch commitment at these meetings, which you really have Bob Lovett (77, and Synder, and Averell hooked into the thing, and you wouldn't come home having made an agreement which they gave a cable authori ty at the time, they really didn't mean it and they didn't understand it. They were there and they had to sit in the room while you agreed to something. I think that was a very great asset indeed. As this '51 went on, the first. thing we knew that Greece and Turkey, who had been turned down as applicants to NATO in New York, were back at the door again. They were not accepting the fact that they could have a sort of association. They wanted to be brought into the thing and were pressing that very hard. The Saar question came bubbling up because of its perennial and awful troubles. The raw material problems got steadily worse. Allocations were more difficult. We were