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5/15/54 - Reel 5 - track 2 - Page 16 MR. ACHESON: As this went on we began to think that the Russian menace was a little (con't) bit more acute than we thought it was. The North Atlantic began to evolve and we said, "Well, we've got to have something comparable to that in the Middle East: And I am inclined to believe that we went off into rather fanticiful ideas. I don't believe any of us really thought that the Middle East Defense Organization was ever going to be a defense organ- ization, that it had any defensive capacity. It might have developed somewhere along that line, but I think it was chiefly a political instrument, and we will talk about that tomorrow. But, it was highly unrealistic this from the words we were giving out about it. All of MS seemed to be based on some ideas which were that it was of prime importance to us that no country might go communist. We wanted to prevent that happening at all costs. We thought these people had to be earnestly concentrated on defending their own liberty. We wanted to help this, but we didn't want to help it to the extent of getting in trouble in North Africa and various other places. It seemed to be that we perhaps ended up with a series of conflicting ideas which rather cancelled one another out and which mainly prevented us from getting very far in this part of the world with our problems. And in looking over this paper that Paul will talk about TRUMANE tomorrow, I wondered since whether it wouldn't have been, it may not -NATIONAL ADMIN- the REFORDS be wisder now, to concentrate perhaps first on a really sound, sensible strategic position for the United States in that part of the world so that we could develop our own and our allies' power in a way where it would be real power, whereas at the present time, I think there is no real power anywhere east of Malta. I don't think there is any and I don't think there is going to be any that amounts to very much. VOICE: Mr.mcGhee You don't mean to exclude Turkey? 0001701