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more of it than anything else, and he was afraid
that DAVID might have said something to me. Now,
I do recall very, very plainly in the second meeting
where I saw SHAW with DAVID where he stated, "Have
you told him anything?" David said, "No. I'm keeping
my word. I don't say nothing to him. I don't tell'my
"tricks" anything.' I was not DAVID's "trick". He
asked me about LAYTON MARTENS.
LAYTON MARTENS, I saw him the first time with DAVID
I
FERRIE and CLAY SHAW was sitting there at the same
time. This was at Dixie's, which is no longer in
existence. I later saw LAYTON MARTENS several times
around the Quarter, and I had - later on I propositioned
LAYTON MARTENS. I will end it right there because
I don't want to commit myself.
Steve has asked me what gave me the impression
MARTINIS, as they're calling him, I know him as MARTY
and MART, what gave me the impression that he was
occupied with CLAY SHAW, rather than DAVID FERRIE.
But I want to point out that Dixie's at that time
was an older crowd than what I found the other evening
up at LaFitte's in Exile. The LaFitte's in Exile crowd
was the same type at that time, now it's nothing but
a bunch of young kids. And the people were considerably
more reserved, but LAYTON MARTENS appeared to know Mr.
SHAW quite well as they talked, and then MARTENS would
go around talking to others, and MARTENS to my way of
JHAW
thinking, atithat time did not look like he could be
over 18, maybe 19 at the very, very most. Just a
little boy. He had that little boy look. I still,
FERRIE
to this day, I do not even know his age. I have never
been informed of his age, but he was extremely well-
of
built, put it that way. And I feel - I mean he talked
to DAVID and then he talked to SHAW, and then when we
MARTENS
later left, DAVID and myself and SHAW and the young
man that DAVID had purchased which I have identified
today in the photos, I identified him today in the
photos of BLACKMOOR, known to me at that time as
BLACKIE. This is the young man whom DAVID referred
to that he had - that was his gift. That was who he
had bought, and I assumed that he had purchased him.
for the night. No, the gift DAVID had bought was
BLACKMOOR. (A little bit of French in here that I
can't spell, but translated: Do you understand?
Prostution?) This Jaffee is quite naive or something,
but he knows nothing about the underground or else
he would know that when you buy yourself someone, that
means that you have purchased that person's services
for the evening. For the night, or for a period of
time, and soitis meant that he and BLACKMOOR were
going to have a sexual thing. That's what the gift
in that particular case meant. I mean, when you're
holding onto something, and said here is the gift I
bought, that is the gift Baby. Excuse me Mr. Garrison.
I didn't mean to use endearing terms. Apologize to
your wife too.
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