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Telecon Mr. Kissinger The President 12/17/69; 6:40 p. m. K said Mr. President I wanted to mention two things. One, State Department is again suggesting that they surface the Jordan package tomorrow at the four- power talks. P asked before the 20th? K said if they are ever going to do it they should do it tomorrow. Admittedly, it is going to raise hell with the Israelis. P said you put Cellar(? over there and that is right I am inclined to let it surface. P said give private reassurance to Mrs. Meir and let it go. P said let State see if they can field it. They are not going to send anyone over here to see me. P said State is going to answer all the questions. P said let's get that word around. K said the second thing I wanted to mention is my conversation with the Romanian. K said Romanian transmitted what P said to Chinese and North Vietnamese. The Chinese were interested in normal relations with the West and us but nothing specific. K said on Vietnam the Romanian said he transmitted exactly what the P said to the North Vietnamese and then the Romanian just stated NVN's normal conditions that we had to withdraw all our forces, coalition government in the South, etc. K said I just told him what your position was based on your speeches. K said I don't think we should send a message with him. K said I told the Romanian the next move would be up the NVN. K said the only hopeful thing he can see is that the Romanian might want to be able to report back that we are in fact firm and that there has not been any change. But, K said that's reaching for things. P said I don't know why he came. K said and he had to come this week. K said I am sending you my notes on the meeting just SO you have something. K said I will send them over in just a few minutes. P said it looks tome he must have come for reasons of just to create an impression that they are talking to us. P said they have their problems, too and I think we should just stick to what we say. K said I think we should stick where we are now. P said Chinese think we are making that move (?) K said we will worry them both. K said I found that Elliot Richardson was slobbering over Dobrynin and let a few things out. P said oh, he just had a few drinks and K said the lucky thing$ is they won't believe them. P said my view is that I wouldn't tell them anything. P said if I were the State Department I would just let them guess. P said we have to have our own private contacts on these we can't count on State. P said anything we do important has to be done privately. K agreed. K said I think you should see him (Romanian? P said I don't think I will spend much time with him. K said you might again - - stick where we are now. P said we want to be friendly with regard to the Romanians as such. P said the African thing produced what we expected it. K said I thought you handled it with great delicacy. P said Helms(?) took a strong position. Reproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library DECLASSIFIED This document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.

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