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    "ocrText": "TELECON\nMr. \"McNamara/Secretary Kissinger\nJune 5, 1974\n9:25 AM\nM: Henry, I'll just take a second. I talked to (inaudible) a half hour on the\ntelephone. He was certainly less than enthusiastic and he had several different\npoints, one of them he was concerned about the Donaldson example. I said --\nhe wanted to talk to Donaldson I said, hell I can't stop him from talking to\nDonaldson but I can tell you more about Donaldson then Donaldson himself can.\n(A) he is a person with considerable potential, (B), he came down here without\nabsolutely no experience in Government, no knowledge of how to deal with\ngovernmental problems and people (inaudible) departments. (C) he had no\nexperience in or understanding of international economics and yet by a force\nof circumstances through nobody's fault, he was thrown immediately into a\nproblem\nthat\nrequires some knowledge of international economics and\nparticularly a knowledge of handle himself within a government and among\ngovernment.\nK: Exactly. His (inaudible) complaint was not that I didn't (delegate) him\nbut (inaudible) responsiblity that he couldn't see me (inaudible).\nM: In any case that problem I think I perhaps was able to able to clear out of\nhis mind -- he'll still come down to talk to Donaldson, but I think I drew a clear\ndifference Donaldson, on one hand and Cooper on the other. I said, you've got\nexactly the strength that in Donaldson were\nweaknesses, SO put that\nout of your mind. Secondly, he xix said, IX well, he didn't think he would operate\nfrom a subcabinet level with cabinet offers. I said, you mean to say you thinx\ndon't think you have the CO mpetence that exceeds that of Simon, Flanigan, two\nor three others (inaudible) that are involved in this thing and that you couldn't hold\nyou own in an intellectual box debate with them. Well, he said, they would have\nthe power and I wouldn't have any. I said, in the first place, you're speaking\nwith experience and a record that everybody in the government understands (inaud)\nSecondly, you're speaking with Henry Kissinger's backing (inaudible) he's the most\npowerful xexxx person in the government. So it's perfectly absurd to say that\nyou wouldn't have any influence. It was this thing running through the whole\ndiscussion that obviously was his basic concern, Henry. He feels he'll come\ndown here and accomplish nothing. Either becyase you won't listen or his\nposition will be weak or that he won't be able\nK: His position will be very strong, in fact, if I back him he can't xxxxx lose.\nM: This is exactly my point, Henry and he WXX said well, he said the coarse\nrelation now between national and international economic xfixx affairs that you\ncan't put them in compartments. IXX I said I understand that and I'm XX certain\nthat when domestic policy that has implications implications xxxxx are discussed\nyou would be a participant in those disaussions. He was quite right on that point."
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