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    "ocrText": "-2-\nR. brought in by Sh.D. and his two deputies, introduced to our party.\nR. dressed in white jumper with top several buttons open; thong sandals (zories). .\nSaid he wanted to tell \"his story. 11 Sat nervously with hands fumbling\nwith a small piece of Kleenex and a rubber band.\nAfter an initial statement by R. he was sworn by the ChJ. R. started\nhis story on Thursday night, November 2lst. All of us were most\napprehensive as to what he might do or say, but although nervous and a\nbit random he did quite well. Despite his statement that Tonahill\nwasn't his attorney he seemed friendly and appeared to have confidence\nin him.\nEverything seemed to go well for about 45 minutes. (R. had gotten in his\nstory to about 2 a.m. November 23rd where he was describing a meeting\non a street with Police Officer Olson and a \"gal. \"1) When T. wrote\nsomething on a pad R. asked to see what I. had written. R. borrowed\nT's glasses to read and after reading the note R. was very upset.\nAppeared to be ready to quit testimony because of I's note. T. had\nwritten on the note that the officer and the \"gal\" had probably by\ntheir comments motivated R's subsequent action. The officer and the\n\"gal\" had said at the meeting that someone ought to take violent action\nagainst 0.\nFor the next 30 minutes it was \"touch and go\" whether R. would continue\nhis testimony. ChJ. tried to be reassuring and was very patient in his\ncajoling. Finally Sh.D. spoke up forcefully and in a loud voice told\nR. to be a \"man\" and talk because all of these men had come 2000 miles\nto hear his testimony at his request. ShD. volunteered to leave with\nhis deputies and eventually R. said he wanted them to go which they\ndid. Terribly tense. Finally R. started to testify again and gradually\ngave us most of his story. After about 2 hours, ChJ. Rankin and I\nasked a number of questions.\nR. at the very outset of the hearing requested polygraph tests and truth\nserums, ChJ. made a commitment that this would be done. R. also\nwanted to go to Washington, D. C. with the group to tell his story to\nLBJ.\nR. alleges he had no thought of killing 0. until Sunday morning when\nhe read a newspaper that had a \"letter\" to Caroline from some person\nand more particularly a statement that Mrs. Kennedy would have to come\nback to Dallas to testify at the 0. trial.\nSpector of our staff not included in the hearing at first. After about 30\nminutes I spoke to Joe Ball and said it was a shame S. was not\nincluded. I wrote a note to ChJ. suggesting S. be brought in. ChJ.\ndidn't agree at first but just before R. \"blow up\" there was an\nopening and the ChJ. suggested that S. come in to the hearing.\nFORD\nI"
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