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The original documents are located in Box 32, folder "Taxes - Tax Reduction Act (2)" of the John Marsh Files at the Gerald R. Ford Presidential Library. Copyright Notice The copyright law of the United States (Title 17, United States Code) governs the making of photocopies or other reproductions of copyrighted material. Gerald R. Ford donated to the United States of America his copyrights in all of his unpublished writings in National Archives collections. Works prepared by U.S. Government employees as part of their official duties are in the public domain. The copyrights to materials written by other individuals or organizations are presumed to remain with them. If you think any of the information displayed in the PDF is subject to a valid copyright claim, please contact the Gerald R. Ford Presidential Library. Digitized from Box 32 of the John Marsh Files at the Gerald R. Ford Presidential Library CONFERENCE ACTIONS - 3/26/75 Conference was completed at approximately 3:00 p.m. The following agreements were reached: (1) Foreign source income - agreed to compromise on deferral of foreign source income affecting "tax haven" countries (Treasury indorses). Revenue gain - $225 M. Agreed to compromise tax credit provision relating to oil income. (Treasury indorses). Revenue gain - $300 M. (2) Percentage depletion of oil and gas - agreed to compromise with following elements: (a) 2000 bbl. exemption phased down by 200 bbls. per day each year to a 1000 bbl. permanent exemption: 1975 - 2000 1976 - 1800 1977 - 1600 1978 - 1400 1979 - 1200 1980 - 1000 (b) Percentage holds at 22% to 1980 then phases down over 4 years to 15%: 1981 - 20% 1982 - 18% 1983 - 16% 1984 - 15% (c) The 50% limitation on amount of depletion that can be taken against taxable income is increased to 65%. (d) Secondary and tertiary wells keep the 22% depletion until 1984. After 1984 the percentage drops to 15%. Revenue gain - $1.7B. (3) Housing tax credit - adopted modified Senate provision. Credit of 5% of purchase price to maximum of $2000 for new houses in being as of 3/25/74. Price must be certified by builder/seller as the lowest price offered. False certification subjects seller to money damages and criminal penalties. Revenue loss - $. 6B. - - 2 - (4) Social Security payment - adopted modified Senate provision cutting payment from $100 to $50. Revenue loss - $1.7B. (5) Individual tax cuts - adopted compromise: (a) Minimum standard deduction increased from $1300 to $1600 for single taxpayers and from $1300 to $1900 for jointreturn taxpayers. (b) Increased the percentage standard deduction from 15% to 16% and the maximum allowed for singles from $2000 to $25000 and for joint returns from $2000 to $3000. (c) Provided for a tax credit of $30 per person (dependents). Revenue Loss - $7.8B. TOTAL REVENUE LOSS - $22,8B a. FORD COMPLETE VOTE RESULTS 26 MAR 1975 7:09 PM PAGE 1 ROLL NO. 96 H RES 358 RECORDED VOTE CLOSED 26 MAR 1975 7:09 PM AUTHOR(S), MATSUNAGE ON AGREEING TO THE RESOLUTION WAIVING POINTS OF ORDER AGAINST THE CONSIDERATION OF ANY CONFERENCE REPORT ON H. R. 2166, TAX REDUCTION ACT OF 1975. AYES NOES PRES NV 240 172 20 FORD :- LIBRARY COMPLETE VOTE RESULTS 26 MAR. 1975 7.09 PM PAGE 2 ROLL NO. 96 AYES - 240 ADAMS DICKINSON HUNGATE ADDABBO DIGGS JACOBS ALEXANDER DINGELL JARMAN AMBRO DODD JEFFORDS ANDERSON (CA) DOWNEY JENRETTE ANDERSON (IL) DOWNING JOHNSON (CA) ANDREWS (NC) DRINAN JOHNSON (PA) ANDREWS (ND) DUNCAN (OR) JONES (AL) ANNUNZIO ECKHARDT JONES (NC) ASHLEY EDWARDS (AL) JONES (OK) ASPIN EDWARDS (CA) JONES (TN) BADILLO EILBERG JORDAN BALDUS ENGLISH KARTH BARRETT FENWICK KASTENMEIER BENNETT FINDLEY KEYS BERGLAND FISHER KOCH BEVILL FITHIAN LANDRUM BIAGGI FLOOD LEGGETT BINGHAM FLORIO LENT BOGGS FLOWERS LITTON BOLLING FLYNT LLOYD (CA) BONKER FOLEY LONG (LA) BOWEN FORD (TN) LOTT BRADEMAS FOUNTAIN MACDONALD BREAUX FRASER MADDEN BRECKINRIDGE FULTON MAGUIRE BRODHEAD GAYDOS MAHON BROOKS GIBBONS MATHIS BROOMFIELD GINN MATSUNAGA BROWN (CA) GREEN MAZZOLI BROYHILL HAGEDORN MC CLORY BURKE (CA) HALEY MC CORMACK BURKE (MA) HALL MC FALL BURLESON (TX) HAMILTON MC KAY BURLISON (MO) HANLEY MEEDS BURTON, JOHN HANNAFORD MELCHER BURTON, PHILLIP HARKIN METCALFE BYRON HARRINGTON MEYNER CARNEY HARRIS MEZVINSKY CASEY HAYES (IN) MIKVA CHISHOLM HEBERT MILLER (OH) CLAY HEFNER MINISH CORMAN HELSTOSKI MITCHELL (MD) COTTER HENDERSON MOAKLEY DANIELS (NJ) HICKS MOLLOHAN DE LA GARZA HINSHAW MOORHEAD (PA) DELANEY HOLLAND MORGAN DELLUMS HOWARD MOSHER UCRALD FORD LIBRARY FORD is LIBRARY GRANTO COMPLETE VOTE RESULTS 26 MAR. 1975 7:09 PM PAGE 3 ROLL NO. 96 MOTTL ROBERTS SULLIVAN MURPHY (IL) RODINO SYMINGTON MURPHY (NY) ROE TAYLOR (NC) MURTHA ROGERS TEAGUE NATCHER RONCALIO THOMPSON NICHOLS ROONEY THORNTON NIX ROSE TSONGAS O'NEILL ROSENTHAL UDALL OBERSTAR ROSTENKOWSKI ULLMAN OBEY RUSSO VAN DEERLIN OTTINGER SANTINI VANDER VEEN PATMAN (TX) SARBANES YANIK PATTEN (NJ) SATTERFIELD VIGORITO PATTERSON (CA) SCHEUER WAGGONNER PATTISON (NY) SCHNEEBELI WALSH PEPPER SEIBERLING WAXMAN PERKINS SHRIVER WEAVER PEYSER SIKES WHALEN PICKLE SIMON WHITE PIKE SISK WHITTEN POAGE SLACK WILSON, BOB PREYER SMITH (IA) WILSON C. H. PRICE SNYDER WINN QUIE SOLARZ WOLFF QUILLEN STAGGERS WRIGHT RANDALL STANTON, JAMES V. WYDLER RANGEL STARK YATES REUSS STEED YATRON RHODES STEPHENS YOUNG (GA) RICHMOND STOKES YOUNG (TX) RINALDO STRATTON ZABLOCKI RISENHOOVER STUCKEY ZEFERETTI FORD is LIBRARY GERALD COMPLETE VOTE RESULTS 26 MAR 1975 7:09 PM PAGE 4 ROLL NO. 96 NOES - 172 ABDNOR EDGAR LATTA ABZUG EMERY LEHMAN ARCHER ESCH LEVITAS ARMSTRONG ESHLEMAN LLOYD (TN) AUCOIN EVANS (CO) LONG (MD) BAFALIS EYANS (IN) LUJAN BAUCUS FASCELL MADIGAN BAUMAN FISH MANN BEARD (RI) FORD (MI) MARTIN BEARD (TN) FORSYTHE MC CLOSKEY BEDELL FRENZEL MC COLLISTER BIESTER FREY MC DADE BLANCHARD GIAIMO MC DONALD BLOUIN GILMAN MC EWEN BOLAND GOLDWATER MC HUGH BRINKLEY GONZALEZ MC KINNEY BROWN (MI) GOODLING MICHEL BROWN (OH) GRADISON MILFORD BUCHANAN GRASSLEY MILLER (CA) BURGENER GUDE MINETA BURKE (FL) GUYER MINK BUTLER HAMMERSCHMIDT MITCHELL (NY) CARR HANSEN MOFFETT CHAPPELL HARSHA MONTGOMERY CLANCY HASTINGS MOORE CLAUSEN, DON H. HECHLER (WY) MOORHEAD (CA) CLAWSON, DEL HECKLER (MA) MOSS CLEVELAND HEINZ MYERS (IN) COCHRAN HILLIS MYERS (PA) COHEN HOLT NEAL COLLINS (TX) HOLTZMAN NEDZI CONABLE HORTON NOLAN CONLAN HOWE NOWAK CONTE HUBBARD O'BRIEN CORNELL HUGHES O'HARA COUGHLIN HUTCHINSON PRESSLER CRANE HYDE PRITCHARD D'AMOURS JOHNSON (CO) RAILSBACK DANIEL, DAN KASTEN REES DANIEL, R. W. KAZEN REGULA DANIELSON KELLY RIEGLE DAVIS KEMP ROBINSON DERRICK KETCHUM ROUSH DERWINSKI KINDNESS ROUSSELOT DEVINE KREBS ROYBAL DU PONT KRUEGER RUPPE DUNCAN (TN) LAFALCE RYAN EARLY LAGOMARSINO SARASIN : FORD GERALD LIBRARY COMPLETE VOTE RESULTS 26 MAR. 1975 7:10 PM PAGE 5 ROLL NO. 96 SCHROEDER STEELMAN VANDER JAGT SCHULZE STEIGER (AZ) WAMPLER SEBELIUS STEIGER (WI) WHITEHURST SHARP STUDDS WILSON, (TX) SHUSTER SYMMS WIRTH SMITH (NB) TALCOTT WYLIE SPELLMAN TAYLOR (MO) YOUNG (AK) SPENCE THONE YOUNG (FL) ST GERMAIN TRAXLER STANTON, J. WILLIAM TREEN FORD & LIBRARY COMPLETE VOTE RESULTS 26 MAR 1975 7:10 PM PAGE 6 ROLL NO 96 PRESENT - FORD is LIBRAR 07V830 COMPLETE VOTE RESULTS 26 MAR. 1975 7:10 PM PAGE 7 ROLL NO. 96 NOT VOTING - 20 ASHBROOK ERLENBORN MILLS BELL EVINS (TN) PASSMAN CARTER FUQUA RUNNELS CEDERBERG HAWKINS SHIPLEY COLLINS (IL) HAYS (OH) SKUBITZ CONYERS HIGHTOWER WIGGINS DENT ICHORD * * * * # * END OF REPORT * * * GERALD FORD LIBRARY COMPLETE VOTE RESULTS 26 MAR. 1975 11:24 PM PAGE 1 ROLL NO. 98 HR 2166 YEA-AND-NAY CLOSED 26 MAR. 1975 11:24 PM AUTHOR(S) ULLMAN RECOMMIT THE CONFERENCE REPORT TAX REDUCTION ACT, 1975 YEA NAY PRES NV 197 214 21 FORD is LIBRARY 07V830 COMPLETE VOTE RESULTS 26 MAR. 1975 11.24 PM PAGE 2 ROLL NO. 98 YEAS - 197 ABDNOR DOWNING JONES (OK) ALEXANDER DU PONT KASTEN ANDERSON (IL) DUNCAN (TN) KAZEN ANDREWS (NC) EDWARDS (AL) KELLY ANDREWS (ND) EMERY KEMP ARCHER ENGLISH KETCHUM ARMSTRONG ESCH KINDNESS AUCOIN ESHLEMAN KREBS BAFALIS FENWICK KRUEGER BAUMAN FINDLEY LAGOMARSINO BEARD (TN) FISH LATTA BENNETT FLOWERS LEGGETT BEVILL FLYNT LENT BREAUX FORSYTHE LEVITAS BRECKINRIDGE FOUNTAIN LONG (MD) BRINKLEY FRENZEL LOTT BROWN (MI) FREY LUJAN BROWN (OH) GIAIMO MADIGAN BROYHILL GINN MANN BUCHANAN GOLDWATER MARTIN BURGENER GONZALEZ MATHIS BURKE (FL) GOODLING MC CLORY BURLESON (TX) GRADISON MC CLOSKEY BURLISON (MO) GRASSLEY MC COLLISTER BUTLER GUYER MC DONALD BYRON HAGEDORN MC EWEN CARTER HALEY MC KINNEY CASEY HAMMERSCHMIDT MICHEL CHAPPELL HANSEN MILFORD CLANCY HARSHA MILLER (OH) CLAUSEN, DON H. HASTINGS MINETA CLAWSON, DEL HEFNER MITCHELL (NY) CLEVELAND HENDERSON MONTGOMERY COCHRAN HICKS MOORE COHEN HILLIS MOORHEAD (CA) COLLINS (TX) HINSHAW MOSHER CONABLE HOLT MYERS (IN) CONLAN HORTON MYERS (PA) CONTE HUBBARD NATCHER CORMAN HUTCHINSON NEAL COUGHLIN HYDE NEDZI CRANE JACOBS NICHOLS DANIEL, DAN JARMAN O'BRIEN DANIEL, R. . W. JEFFORDS PERKINS DERRICK JOHNSON (CO) PICKLE DERWINSKI JOHNSON (PA) POAGE DEVINE JONES (AL) PRESSLER DODD JONES (NC) PRITCHARD FORDO is LIBRARY 03V839 COMPLETE VOTE RESULTS 26 MAR. 1975 11:24 PM PAGE 3 ROLL NO. 98 QUIE SHRIVER TREEN QUILLEN SHUSTER VAN DEERLIN RAILSBACK SIKES VANDER JAGT REGULA SMITH (NB) WAGGONNER RHODES SNYDER WALSH RISENHOOVER SPENCE WAMPLER ROBERTS STANTON, J. WILLIAM WHITEHURST ROBINSON STEELMAN WHITTEN ROUSSELOT STEIGER (AZ) WILSON, BOB ROYBAL STEIGER (WI) WILSON, (TX) RUPPE STUCKEY WINN RYAN SYMMS WIRTH SARASIN TALCOTT WYDLER SATTERFIELD TAYLOR (MO) WYLIE SCHNEEBELI TAYLOR (NC) YOUNG (AK) SCHROEDER TEAGUE YOUNG (FL) SCHULZE THONE YOUNG (TX) SEBELIUS THORNTON FORD is LIBRARY 070435 COMPLETE VOTE RESULTS 26 MAR. 1975 11:24 PM PAGE 4 ROLL NO. 98 NAYS - 214 ABZUG DINGELL JORDAN ADAMS DOWNEY KARTH ADDABBO DRINAN KASTENMEIER AMBRO DUNCAN (OR) KEYS ANDERSON (CA) EARLY KOCH ANNUNZIO ECKHARDT LAFALCE ASHLEY EDGAR LANDRUM ASPIN EDWARDS (CA) LEHMAN BADILLO EILBERG LITTON BALDUS EYANS (CO) LLOYD (CA) BARRETT EVANS (IN) LLOYD (TN) BAUCUS FASCELL LONG (LA) BEARD (RI) FISHER MACDONALD BEDELL FITHIAN MADDEN BERGLAND FLOOD MAGUIRE BIAGGI FLORIO MAHON BIESTER FOLEY MATSUNAGA BINGHAM FORD (MI) MAZZOLI BLANCHARD FORD (TN) MC CORMACK BLOUIN FRASER MC DADE BOGGS FULTON MC FALL BOLAND GAYDOS MC HUGH BOLLING GIBBONS MC KAY BONKER GILMAN MEEDS BOWEN GREEN MELCHER BRADEMAS GUDE METCALFE BRODHEAD HALL MEYNER BROOKS HAMILTON MEZVINSKY BROOMFIELD HANLEY MIKVA BROWN (CA) HANNAFORD MILLER (CA) BURKE (CA) HARKIN MINISH BURKE (MA) HARRINGTON MINK BURTON, JOHN HARRIS MITCHELL (MD) BURTON, PHILLIP HAYES (IN) MOAKLEY CARNEY HEBERT MOFFETT CARR HECHLER (WV) MOLLOHAN CHISHOLM HECKLER (MA) MORGAN CLAY HEINZ MOSS CORNELL HELSTOSKI MOTTL COTTER HOLLAND MURPHY (IL) D'AMOURS HOLTZMAN MURPHY (NY) DANIELS (NJ) HOWARD MURTHA DANIELSON HOWE NIX DAVIS HUGHES NOLAN DE LA GARZA HUNGATE NOWAK DELANEY JENRETTE 0'HARA DELLUMS JOHNSON (CA) O'NEILL DIGGS JONES (TN) OBERSTAR SERALD R.FORD LIBRARY COMPLETE VOTE RESULTS 26 MAR. 1975 11.25 PM PAGE 5 ROLL NO. 98 OBEY ROSTENKOWSKI SULLIVAN OTTINGER ROUSH SYMINGTON PATMAN (TX) RUSSO THOMPSON PATTEN (NJ) SANTINI TRAXLER PATTERSON (CA) SARBANES TSONGAS PATTISON (NY) SCHEUER UDALL PEPPER SEIBERLING ULLMAN PEYSER SHARP VANDER VEEN PIKE SHIPLEY VANIK PREYER SIMON VIGORITO PRICE SISK WAXMAN RANDALL SLACK WEAVER RANGEL SMITH (IA) WHALEN REUSS SOLARZ WHITE RICHMOND SPELLMAN WILSON, C. H. RIEGLE ST GERMAIN WOLFF RINALDO STAGGERS WRIGHT RODINO STANTON, JAMES V. YATES ROE STARK YATRON ROGERS STEED YOUNG (GA) RONCALIO STEPHENS ZABLOCKI ROONEY STOKES ZEFERETTI ROSE STRATTON ROSENTHAL STUDDS FORD is 070839 LIBRARY COMPLETE VOTE RESULTS 26 MAR. 1975 11.25 PM PAGE 6 ROLL NO. 98 PRESENT - BERNED FORD LIBRARY COMPLETE VOTE RESULTS 26 MAR. 1975 11:25 PM PAGE 7 ROLL NO. 98 NOT VOTING - 21 ASHBROOK ERLENBORN MILLS BELL EVINS (TN) MOORHEAD (PA) CEDERBERG FUQUA PASSMAN COLLINS (IL) HAWKINS REES CONYERS HAYS (OH) RUNNELS DENT HIGHTOWER SKUBITZ DICKINSON ICHORD WIGGINS * * * * * END OF REPORT * * * * FORD is GERALD LIBRARY STATE AND PARTY REPORT 26 MAR. 1975 11:33 PM PAGE 1 ROLL NO. 98 HR 2166 YEA-AND-NAY CLOSED 26 MAR. 1975 11:24 PM AUTHOR(S). ULLMAN RECOMMIT THE CONFERENCE REPORT TAX REDUCTION ACT, 1975 YEA NAY PRES NV DEMOCRATIC 70 204 14 REPUBLICAN 127 10 7 OTHER TOTAL 197 214 21 BERALD R FORD LIBRARY STATE AND PARTY REPORT 26 MAR. 1975 11:33 PM PAGE 2 ROLL NO. 98 DEMOCRATIC **OTHER** REPUBLICAN ALABAMA BEVILL YEA BUCHANAN YEA FLOWERS YEA DICKINSON NV JONES (AL) YEA EDWARDS (AL) YEA NICHOLS YEA ALASKA YOUNG (AK) YEA ARIZONA UDALL NAY CONLAN YEA RHODES YEA STEIGER (AZ) YEA ARKANSAS ALEXANDER YEA HAMMERSCHMIDT YEA MILLS NV THORNTON YEA CALIFORNIA ANDERSON (CA) NAY BELL NV BROWN (CA) NAY BURGENER YEA BURKE (CA) NAY CLAUSEN, DON H. YEA BURTON, JOHN NAY CLAWSON, DEL YEA BURTON, PHILLIP NAY GOLDWATER YEA CORMAN YEA HINSHAW YEA DANIELSON NAY KETCHUM YEA DELLUMS NAY LAGOMARSINO YEA EDWARDS (CA) NAY MC CLOSKEY YEA HANNAFORD NAY MOORHEAD (CA) YEA HAWKINS NY ROUSSELOT YEA JOHNSON (CA) NAY TALCOTT YEA KREBS YEA WIGGINS NV LEGGETT YEA WILSON, BOB YEA LLOYD (CA) NAY MC FALL NAY MILLER (CA) NAY MINETA YEA MOSS NAY PATTERSON (CA) NAY REES NV ROYBAL YEA RYAN YEA SISK FORD NAY STARK NAY VAN DEERLIN YEA GERALD LIBRARY WAXMAN NAY WILSON, C. H. NAY COLORADO EVANS (CO) NAY ARMSTRONG YEA SCHROEDER YEA JOHNSON (CO) YEA WIRTH YEA STATE AND PARTY REPORT 26 MAR. 1975 11:33 PM PAGE 3 ROLL NO. 98 DEMOCRATIC **OTHER** REPUBLICAN CONNECTICUT COTTER NAY MC KINNEY YEA DODD YEA SARASIN YEA GIAIMO YEA MOFFETT NAY DELAWARE DU PONT YEA FLORIDA BENNETT YEA BAFALIS YEA CHAPPELL YEA BURKE (FL) YEA FASCELL NAY FREY YEA FUQUA NV KELLY YEA GIBBONS NAY YOUNG (FL) YEA HALEY YEA LEHMAN NAY PEPPER NAY ROGERS NAY SIKES YEA GEORGIA BRINKLEY YEA FLYNT YEA GINN YEA LANDRUM NAY LEVITAS YEA MATHIS YEA MC DONALD YEA STEPHENS NAY STUCKEY YEA YOUNG (GA) NAY HAWAII MATSUNAGA NAY MINK NAY IDAHO HANSEN YEA SYMMS YEA ILLINOIS ANNUNZIO NAY ANDERSON (IL) YEA COLLINS (IL) NV CRANE YEA HALL NAY DERWINSKI YEA METCALFE NAY BERAUD FORD LIBRARY ERLENBORN NV MIKYA NAY FINDLEY YEA MURPHY (IL) NAY HYDE YEA PRICE NAY MADIGAN YEA ROSTENKOWSKI NAY MC CLORY YEA RUSSO NAY MICHEL YEA SHIPLEY NAY O'BRIEN YEA SIMON NAY RAILSBACK YEA YATES NAY STATE AND PARTY REPORT 26 MAR. 1975 11:33 PM PAGE 4 ROLL NO. 98 DEMOCRATIC **OTHER** REPUBLICAN INDIANA BRADEMAS NAY HILLIS YEA EVANS (IN) NAY MYERS (IN) YEA FITHIAN NAY HAMILTON NAY HAYES (IN) NAY JACOBS YEA MADDEN NAY ROUSH NAY SHARP NAY TOWA BEDELL NAY GRASSLEY YEA BLOUIN NAY HARKIN NAY MEZVINSKY NAY SMITH (IA) NAY KANSAS KEYS NAY SEBELIUS YEA SHRIVER YEA SKUBITZ NV WINN YEA KENTUCKY BRECKINRIDGE YEA CARTER YEA HUBBARD YEA SNYDER YEA MAZZOLI NAY NATCHER YEA PERKINS YEA LOUISIANA BOGGS NAY MOORE YEA BREAUX YEA TREEN YEA HEBERT NAY LONG (LA) NAY PASSMAN NV WAGGONNER YEA MAINE COHEN YEA EMERY YEA MARYLAND BYRON YEA BAUMAN YEA LONG (MD) YEA NAY SARBANES NAY FORD is LIBRARY 1070899 GUDE NAY MITCHELL (MD) HOLT YEA SPELLMAN NAY STATE AND PARTY REPORT 26 MAR. 1975 11:33 PM PAGE 5 ROLL NO. 98 DEMOCRATIC **OTHER** REPUBLICAN MASSACHUSETTS BOLAND NAY CONTE YEA BURKE (MA) NAY HECKLER (MA) NAY DRINAN NAY EARLY NAY HARRINGTON NAY MACDONALD NAY MOAKLEY MAY O'NEILL NAY STUDDS NAY TSONGAS NAY MICHIGAN BLANCHARD NAY BROOMFIELD NAY BRODHEAD NAY BROWN (MI) YEA CARR NAY CEDERBERG NV CONYERS NY ESCH YEA DIGGS NAY HUTCHINSON YEA DINGELL NAY RUPPE YEA FORD (MI) NAY VANDER JAGT YEA NEDZI YEA O'HARA NAY RIEGLE NAY TRAXLER NAY VANDER VEEN NAY MINNESOTA BERGLAND NAY FRENZEL YEA FRASER NAY HAGEDORN YEA KARTH NAY QUIE YEA NOLAN NAY OBERSTAR NAY MISSISSIPPI BOWEN NAY COCHRAN YEA MONTGOMERY YEA LOTT YEA WHITTEN YEA MISSOURI BOLLING NAY TAYLOR (MO) YEA BURLISON (MO) YEA CLAY NAY HUNGATE NAY ICHORD NV LITTON NAY RANDALL NAY SULLIVAN NAY GENELD FORD ABRARA SYMINGTON NAY MONTANA BAUCUS NAY MELCHER NAY STATE AND PARTY REPORT 26 MAR. 1975 11:33 PM PAGE 6 ROLL NO. 98 DEMOCRATIC **OTHER** REPUBLICAN NEBRASKA MC COLLISTER YEA SMITH (NB) YEA THONE YEA NEVADA SANTINI NAY NEW HAMPSHIRE D'AMOURS NAY CLEVELAND YEA NEW JERSEY DANIELS (NJ) NAY FENWICK YEA FLORIO NAY FORSYTHE YEA HELSTOSKI NAY RINALDO NAY HOWARD NAY HUGHES NAY MAGUIRE NAY MEYNER NAY MINISH NAY PATTEN (NJ) NAY RODINO NAY ROE NAY THOMPSON NAY NEW MEXICO RUNNELS NV LUJAN YEA FORD is LIBRARY GENALD STATE AND PARTY REPORT 26 MAR. 1975 11:33 PM PAGE 7 ROLL NO. 98 DEMOCRATIC **OTHER** REPUBLICAN NEW YORK ABZUG NAY CONABLE YEA ADDABBO NAY FISH YEA AMBRO NAY GILMAN NAY BADILLO NAY HASTINGS YEA BIAGGI NAY HORTON YEA BINGHAM NAY KEMP YEA CHISHOLM NAY LENT YEA DELANEY NAY MC EWEN YEA DOWNEY NAY MITCHELL (NY) YEA HANLEY NAY PEYSER NAY HOLTZMAN NAY WALSH YEA KOCH NAY WYDLER YEA LAFALCE NAY MC HUGH NAY MURPHY (NY) NAY NOWAK NAY OTTINGER NAY PATTISON (NY) NAY PIKE NAY RANGEL NAY RICHMOND NAY ROSENTHAL NAY SCHEUER NAY SOLARZ NAY STRATTON NAY WOLFF NAY ZEFERETTI NAY NORTH CAROLINA ANDREWS (NC) YEA BROYHILL YEA FOUNTAIN YEA MARTIN YEA HEFNER YEA HENDERSON YEA JONES (NC) YEA NEAL YEA PREYER NAY ROSE NAY TAYLOR (NC) YEA NORTH DAKOTA ANDREWS (ND) YEA FORD is GERALD LIBRARY STATE AND PARTY REPORT 26 MAR. 1975 11:33 PM PAGE 8 ROLL NO. 98 DEMOCRATIC **OTHER** REPUBLICAN OHIO ASHLEY NAY ASHBROOK NV CARNEY NAY BROWN (OH) YEA HAYS (OH) NY CLANCY YEA MOTTL NAY DEVINE YEA SEIBERLING NAY GRADISON YEA STANTON, JAMES V. NAY GUYER YEA STOKES NAY HARSHA YEA VANIK NAY KINDNESS YEA LATTA YEA MILLER (OH) YEA MOSHER YEA REGULA YEA STANTON, J. WILLIAM YEA WHALEN NAY WYLIE YEA OKLAHOMA ALBERT JARMAN YEA ENGLISH YEA JONES (OK) YEA RISENHOOVER YEA STEED NAY OREGON AUCOIN YEA DUNCAN (OR) NAY ULLMAN NAY WEAVER NAY PENNSYLVANIA BARRETT NAY BIESTER NAY DENT NV COUGHLIN YEA EDGAR NAY ESHLEMAN YEA EILBERG NAY GOODLING YEA FLOOD NAY HEINZ NAY GAYDOS NAY JOHNSON (PA) YEA GREEN NAY MC DADE NAY MOORHEAD (PA) NV MYERS (PA) YEA MORGAN NAY SCHNEEBELI YEA MURTHA NAY SCHULZE YEA NIX NAY SHUSTER YEA ROONEY NAY VIGORITO NAY FORD YATRON NAY RHODE ISLAND GERALD LIBRARY BEARD (RI) NAY ST GERMAIN NAY STATE AND PARTY REPORT 26 MAR. 1975 11.33 PM PAGE 9 ROLL NO. 98 DEMOCRATIC **OTHER** REPUBLICAN SOUTH CAROLINA DAVIS NAY SPENCE YEA DERRICK YEA HOLLAND NAY JENRETTE NAY MANN YEA SOUTH DAKOTA ABDNOR YEA PRESSLER YEA TENNESSEE EVINS (TN) NV BEARD (TN) YEA FORD (TN) NAY DUNCAN (TN) YEA FULTON NAY QUILLEN YEA JONES (TN) NAY LLOYD (TN) NAY TEXAS BROOKS NAY ARCHER YEA BURLESON (TX) YEA COLLINS (TX) YEA CASEY YEA STEELMAN YEA DE LA GARZA NAY ECKHARDT NAY GONZALEZ YEA HIGHTOWER NY JORDAN NAY KAZEN YEA KRUEGER YEA MAHON NAY MILFORD YEA PATMAN (TX) NAY PICKLE YEA POAGE YEA ROBERTS YEA TEAGUE YEA WHITE NAY WILSON, (TX) YEA WRIGHT NAY YOUNG (TX) YEA UTAH FORD is GERALD LIBRARY HOWE NAY MC KAY NAY VERMONT JEFFORDS YEA VIRGINIA DANIEL, DAN YEA BUTLER YEA DOWNING YEA DANIEL, R. W. YEA FISHER NAY ROBINSON YEA HARRIS NAY WAMPLER YEA SATTERFIELD YEA WHITEHURST YEA STATE AND PARTY REPORT 26 MAR. 1975 11:33 PM PAGE 10 ROLL NO. 98 DEMOCRATIC **OTHER** REPUBLICAN WASHINGTON ADAMS NAY PRITCHARD YEA BONKER NAY FOLEY NAY HICKS YEA MC CORMACK NAY MEEDS NAY WEST VIRGINIA HECHLER (WV) NAY MOLLOHAN NAY SLACK NAY STAGGERS NAY WISCONSIN ASPIN NAY KASTEN YEA BALDUS NAY STEIGER (WI) YEA CORNELL NAY KASTENMEIER NAY OBEY NAY REUSS NAY ZABLOCKI NAY WYOMING RONCALIO NAY * * * * * * END OF REPORT * * * * FORD is LIBRARY GRAVIC STATE AND PARTY REPORT 26 MAR. 1975 11:46 PM PAGE 1 ROLL NO. 99 HR 2166 YEA-AND-NAY CLOSED 26 MAR. 1975 11:40 PM THOR(S): ULLMAN REEING TO CONFERENCE REPORT TAX REDUCTION ACT, 1975 YEA NAY PRES NY MOCRATIC 232 43 13 412 PUBLICAN 55 82 7 HER 20 TAL 287 125 20 432 143 I 287 125 412. FORD is LIBRARY STATE AND PARTY REPORT 26 MAR. 1975 11:46 PM PAGE 2 ROLL NO. 99 DEMOCRATIC **OTHER** REPUBLICAN ALABAMA BEVILL NAY - BUCHANAN NAY FLOWERS NAY - DICKINSON NY JONES (AL) NAY - EDWARDS (AL) NAY NICHOLS NAY - ALASKA - YOUNG (AK) YEA ARIZONA UDALL YEA CONLAN NAY RHODES NAY STEIGER (AZ) NAY ARKANSAS ALEXANDER NAY - - HAMMERSCHMIDT YEA MILLS NV THORNTON NAY - CALIFORNIA ANDERSON (CA) NAY - BELL NV BROWN (CA) YEA BURGENER NAY BURKE (CA) YEA - CLAUSEN, DON H. YEA BURTON, JOHN YEA CLAWSON, DEL NAY BURTON, PHILLIP YEA GOLDWATER NAY CORMAN YEA - HINSHAW YEA DANIELSON YEA KETCHUM NAY DELLUMS YEA LAGOMARSINO YEA EDWARDS (CA) YEA MC CLOSKEY NAY HANNAFORD YEA MOORHEAD (CA) NAY HAWKINS NV < ROUSSELOT NAY JOHNSON (CA) YEA TALCOTT NAY KREBS YEA WIGGINS NV LEGGETT YEA WILSON, BOB NAY LLOYD (CA) YEA MC FALL YEA MILLER (CA) YEA MINETA YEA MOSS YEA PATTERSON (CA) YEA REES NY < ROYEAL YEA RYAN YEA SISK YEA STARK YEA VAN DEERLIN YEA WAXMAN YEA WILSON, C. H. YEA BERALD FORD LIBRARY COLORADO EVANS (CO) YEA ARMSTRONG NAY SCHROEDER YEA JOHNSON (CO) NAY WIRTH YEA STATE AND PARTY REPORT 26 MAR. 1975 11:47 PM PAGE 3 ROLL NO. 99 DEMOCRATIC **OTHER** REPUBLICAN CONNECTICUT COTTER YEA MC KINNEY NAY DODD YEA SARASIN NAY GIAIMO NAY - MOFFETT YEA DELAWARE DU PONT NAY FLORIDA BENNETT NAY - BAFALIS NAY CHAPPELL NAY - BURKE (FL) NAY FASCELL YEA FREY NAY FUQUA NV KELLY NAY GIBBONS YEA YOUNG (FL) NAY HALEY NAY - LEHMAN YEA PEPPER YEA ROGERS YEA SIKES NAY - GEORGIA BRINKLEY NAY - FLYNT NAY - GINN NAY - LANDRUM YEA LEVITAS YEA MATHIS NAY - MC DONALD NAY - STEPHENS YEA STUCKEY YEA YOUNG (GA) YEA HAWAII KATSUNAGA YEA MINK YEA IDAHO HANSEN NAY SYMMS NAY ILLINOIS ANNUNZIO YEA - ANDERSON (IL) YEA COLLINS (IL) NV < DERALD FORD LIBRARY CRANE NAY HALL YEA DERWINSKI NAY METCALFE YEA ERLENBORN NY MIKVA YEA FINDLEY NAY MURPHY (IL) YEA HYDE NAY PRICE YEA MADIGAN YEA ROSTENKOWSKI YEA MC CLORY YEA RUSSO YEA MICHEL NAY SHIPLEY YEA O'BRIEN YEA SIMON YEA RAILSBACK YEA YATES YEA STATE AND PARTY REPORT 26 MAR 1975 11:47 PM PAGE 4 ROLL NO. 99 **OTHER** REPUBLICAN DEMOCRATIC INDIANA - HILLIS YEA BRADEMAS YEA -MYERS (IN) YEA EVANS (IN) YEA FITHIAN YEA HAMILTON YEA HAYES (IN) YEA JACOBS YEA MADDEN YEA ROUSH YEA SHARP YEA TOWA YEA GRASSLEY YEA BEDELL BLOUIN YEA HARKIN YEA MEZVINSKY YEA SMITH (IA) YEA KANSAS KEYS YEA SEBELIUS NAY - SHRIVER YEA SKUBITZ NY - WINN YEA KENTUCKY BRECKINRIDGE YEA CARTER YEA SNYDER HAY HUBBARD YEA MAZZOLI YEA NATCHER YEA PERKINS YEA LOUISIANA YEA MOORE NAY BOGGS NAY - TREEN NAY BREAUX HEBERT YEA LONG (LA) YEA PASSMAN NY WAGGONNER NAY - MAINE - COHEN YEA - EMERY YEA MARYLAND NAY - BAUMAN NAY BYRON NAY - - GUDE YEA LONG (MD) HOLT NAY MITCHELL (MD) YEA SARBANES YEA SPELLMAN YEA BERIAD FORD LIBRARY STATE AND PARTY REPORT 26 MAR. 1975 11.47 PM PAGE 5 ROLL NO. 99 DEMOCRATIC **OTHER** REPUBLICAN MASSACHUSETTS BOLAND YEA CONTE YEA BURKE (MA) YEA HECKLER (MA) YEA DRINAN YEA EARLY YEA HARRINGTON YEA MACDONALD YEA MOAKLEY YEA O'NEILL YEA STUDDS YEA TSONGAS YEA MICHIGAN BLANCHARD YEA -BROOMFIELD YEA BRODHEAD YEA BROWN (MI) NAY CARR YEA CEBERBERG NY CONYERS NV < ESCH YEA DIGGS YEA HUTCHINSON NAY DINGELL YEA -RUPPE YEA FORD (MI) YEA VANDER JAGT MAY NEDZI YEA O'HARA YEA RIEGLE YEA TRAXLER YEA VANDER VEEN YEA MINNESOTA BERGLAND YEA - FRENZEL YEA FRASER YEA HAGEDORN NA. KARTH YEA QUIE NAY NOLAN YEA OBERSTAR YEA MISSISSIPPI BOWEN YEA COCHRAN NAY MONTGOMERY NAY - LOTT NAY WHITTEN NAY - MISSOURI BOLLING YEA TAYLOR (MO) NAY BURLISON (MO) NAY - CLAY YEA HUNGATE YEA ICHORD NV LITTON YEA RANDALL YEA SULLIVAN YEA SYMINGTON YEA MONTANA LIS8687 GERALD YORD BAUCUS YEA MELCHER YEA STATE AND PARTY REPORT 26 MAR. 1975 11:47 PM PAGE 6 ROLL NO. 99 DEMOCRATIC **OTHER** REPUBLICAN NEBRASKA MC COLLISTER NAY - SMITH (NB) YEA - THONE YEA NEVADA SANTINI YEA NEW HAMPSHIRE D'AMOURS YEA CLEVELAND NAY NEW JERSEY DANIELS (NJ) YEA FENWICK YEA FLORIO YEA FORSYTHE NAY HELSTOSKI YEA -RINALDO YEA HOWARD YEA HUGHES YEA MAGUIRE YEA MEYNER YEA MINISH YEA PATTEN (NJ) YEA RODINO YEA ROE YEA THOMPSON YEA HEW MEXICO RUNNELS NV LUJAN NAY FORD is 078830 LIBRARY STATE AND PARTY REPORT 26 MAR. 1975 11.47 PM PAGE 7 ROLL NO. 99 DEMOCRATIC **OTHER** REPUBLICAN NEW YORK ABZUG YEA CONABLE NAY ADDABBO YEA - FISH YEA AMBRO YEA - GILMAN YEA BADILLO YEA HASTINGS NAY BIAGGI YEA - HORTON YEA BINGHAM YEA KEMP NAY CHISHOLM YEA LENT YEA DELANEY YEA MC EWEN NAY DOWNEY YEA - MITCHELL (NY) YEA HANLEY YEA - PEYSER YEA HOLTZMAN YEA - WALSH YEA KOCH YEA - WYDLER YEA LAFALCE YEA MC HUGH YEA MURPHY (NY) YEA NOWAK YEA OTTINGER YEA PATTISON (NY) YEA PIKE YEA RANGEL YEA RICHMOND YEA ROSENTHAL YEA SCHEUER YEA SOLARZ YEA STRATTON YEA WOLFF YEA ZEFERETTI YEA NORTH CAROLINA ANDREWS (NC) YEA BROYHILL YEA FOUNTAIN YEA MARTIN NAY HEFNER YEA HENDERSON YEA JONES (NC) YEA NEAL YEA PREYER YEA ROSE YEA TAYLOR (NC) YEA NORTH DAKOTA - ANDREWS (ND) YEA FORD & LIDRARY STATE AND PARTY REPORT 26 MAR. 1975 11.47 PM PAGE 8 ROLL NO. 99 DEMOCRATIC **OTHER** REPUBLICAN OHIO ASHLEY YEA ASHEROOK HV CARNEY YEA - BROWN (OH) YEA HAYS (OH) NV CLANCY NAY MOTTL YEA DEVINE NAY SEIBERLING YEA - GRADISON YEA STANTON, JAMES V. YEA GUYER NAY STOKES YEA HARSHA NAY VANIK YEA KINDNESS NAY LATTA NAY MILLER (OH) NAY MOSHER YEA REGULA YEA STANTON, J. WILLIAM YEA WHALEN YEA WYLIE NAY OKLAHOMA ALBERT JARMAN NAY ENGLISH NAY- JONES (OK) NAY - RISENHOOVER YEA STEED NAY - OPEGON AUCOIN YEA DUNCAN (OR) YEA ULLMAN YEA WEAVER YEA PENNSYLVANIA BARRETT YEA BIESTER YEF DENT NY < COUGHLIN NAY EDGAR YEA ESHLEMAN NAY EILBERG YEA GOODLING NAY FLOOD YEA HEINZ YEA GAYDOS YEA JOHNSON (PA) YEA GREEN YEA MC DADE YEA MOORHEAD (PA) YEA MYERS (PA) NAY MORGAN YEA SCHNEEBELI NAY MURTHA YEA SCHULZE NAY NIX YEA SHUSTER YEF ROONEY YEA VIGORITO YEA YATRON YEA RHODE ISLAND BEARD (RI) YEA ST GERMAIN YEA FORD & 070830 LIBRARY STATE AND PARTY REPORT 26 MAR 1975 11:47 PM PAGE 9 ROLL NO. 99 DEMOCRATIC **OTHER** REPUBLICAN SOUTH CAROLINA DAVIS YEA SPENCE NAY DERRICK YEA HOLLAND YEA JENRETTE YEA MANN YEA SOUTH DAKOTA ABDNOR NAY -PRESSLER YEA TENNESSEE EVINS (TN) NV < BEARD (TN) NAY FORD (TH) YEA DUNCAN (TN) NAY FULTON YEA QUILLEN NAY JONES (TN) YEA LLOYD (TN) YEA TEXAS BROOKS YEA ARCHER NAY BURLESON (TX) NAY COLLINS (TX) NAY CASEY NAY STEELMAN NAY DE LA GARZA YEA ECKHARDT YEA GONZALEZ NAY - HIGHTOWER NY JORDAN YEA KAZEN NAY KRUEGER NAY MAHON NAY - MILFORD NAY PATMAN (TX) YEA PICKLE YEA POAGE NAY ROBERTS NAY TEAGUE NAY. WHITE YEA WILSON, (TX) NAY_ WRIGHT YEA YOUNG (TX) NAY UTAH HOWE YEA MC KAY YEA BERALD R. FORD VERMONT JEFFORDS YEA VIRGINIA DANIEL, DAN NAY - BUTLER NAY DOWNING NAY DANIEL, R. W. NAY FISHER YEA ROBINSON NAY HARRIS YEA WAMPLER NAY SATTERFIELD NAY- WHITEHURST NAY STATE AND PARTY REPORT 26 MAR. 1975 11.47 PM PAGE 1 ROLL NO. 99 DEMOCRATIC **OTHER** REPUBLICAN WASHINGTON ADAMS YEA - PRITCHARD YEA BONKER YEA FOLEY YEA HICKS NAY - MC CORMACK YEA MEEDS YEA WEST VIRGINIA HECHLER (WV) YEA MOLLOHAN YEA SLACK YEA STAGGERS YEA WISCONSIN LSI ASPIN YEA KASTEN YEA BALDUS YEA STEIGER (WI) YEA CORNELL YEA KASTENMEIER YEA OBEY YEA REUSS YEA [1] ZABLOCKI YEA WYOMING RONCALIO YEA . * * * * * * END OF REPORT * * * * * * # Ed, BERALD FORD LIBRART 31AT ON tie e YAN 125 \ 8 117 30 147 6 153 THE WHITE HOUSE WASHINGTON March 27, 1975 MEMORANDUM FOR THE PRESIDENT FROM: MAX L. FRIEDERSDORF Mr. m.6. SUBJECT: Tax Reduction Bill I am sending along a cross-section of Congressional opinion on your veto decision. There is strong disagreement on our ability to sustain with Republicans fairly confident and Democrats doubtful. Joe Waggonner's remarks are particularly interesting. It is my opinion that sustaining the veto would be close and could be lost if the Caucus and Democrat leadership broke off substantially our support from the 43 Democrats. 125 25 Zo 4 131 155 31 120 6 161 6 155 FORD & LIBRARY GERALD THE WHITE HOUSE WASHINGTON March 27, 1975 MEMORANDUM FOR THE PRESIDENT FROM: MAX L. FRIEDERSDORF SUBJECT: Bob Michel/Herm Schneebeli/Barber Conable/ John Rhodes Congressman Bob Michel called you this morning and I took the call. Bob recommends a veto and feels that there is an excellent chance that your veto could be sustained in the House. He also made the point that quite a few Republicans voted against the Conference Report in the strong hope that you would veto the bill and also interpreted John Rhodes' remarks to indicate that you might veto the bill. (Rhodes indicated that you were seriously considering a veto but did not commit you in his closing remarks.) Michel's analysis of the vote indicates that of the 55 Republicans we lost on final passage, about 29 of them would be possibilities for voting to sustain your veto. Of this 29, he believes that about 20 are very strong possibilities on the vote to sustain. The 29 are: Broyhill, John Anderson, Broomfield, Bud Brown, Carter, Don Clausen, Madigan, McClory, Mitchell, John Myers, Hillis, O'Brien, Ruppe, Shriver, Regula, Kasten, Lagomarsino, Bill Stanton, Thone, Winn, Wydler, Don Young, Al Johnson, Frenzel, Lent, Horton, Hinshaw, Hammerschmidt and Esch. In addition, of the 7 Republicans absent, Michel believes that we could count on 6 of them and possibly 7. These are: Skubitz, Ashbrook, Cederberg, Dickinson, Erlenborn, Wiggins and Bell. Of the 13 Democrats absent on the vote, 3 were paired against the bill, including Passman, Ichord and Runnels. FORD & LIBRARY BERALD -2- Bob and I also went over the 43 Democrats who voted against the bill and Michel believes that those 43 look pretty solid and he believes that losses on a vote to sustain could be held to one-half dozen or less. (I think this is too optimistic) In summation, Michel thinks the vote could be sustained and he recommends a veto. Congressman Herman Schneebeli -- We talked to Congressman Schneebeli today and he said that he is not recommending a veto although he believes that a veto stands a good chance of being sustained. Schneebeli said that you could make a good argument either way on the bill and he recommended that you wait a week and see what the reaction around the country indicates. He said that if you do decide to veto the bill, he thinks you could make a good case on the ill-considered housing provision which will cost $700 million, and the Social Security section which dips into the general treasury, as well as the other non-germane amendments. Schneebeli also said a veto could be tied in to the estimate made yesterday by the House Budget Committee of a $73.7 billion deficit. Schneebeli said that he would have no hard feelings if you signed the bill and believes you have the flexibility to do whatever you decide. Congressman Barber Conable --- Conable said today that he personally would like to see you veto the bill, but would not be upset whatever you do. He said you could justify a veto because the tax bill went too far, but he is not sure you would receive anything much better. Conable believes that you would have a good chance of sustaining and if you decided to do so you should talk loud and clear to the American people because they will not initially understand the issues involved as the Congress does. If you veto the bill, he suggested you talk 2 or 3' times about the bill before Congress comes back and emphasize the adverse effects on the economy and how added inflation & FORD and spending will rob the people of their purchasing power. GER LIBRARY -3- Conable said that whatever your decision, he believes you should take your time, let the suspense build and dramatize your decision. He suggested that to focus attention on this, you might want to publicize your consultations with your economic advisors. Congressman John Rhodes -- Jack and I talked briefly with John after the vote last night and it was his belief that a veto could be sustained and I believe he would recommend a veto although we didn't talk to him again this morning because of his departure to China. FORD is LIBRARY BERALD COMMENTS FOR PRESIDENT'S CONSIDERATION Joe Waggonner Recommittal vote was not an indication of strength. There is not a good solid chance of a 10 to 12 vote change needed. Joe feels there is a possibility of switches in the Northeast - the three votes from Conn., for example. If vetoed, Demo Caucus will work hard to override. Thinks a second bill would not be much different - probably worse. Would be a bigger tax package, House would add tax reform items and kill a tax reform bill for this year. Long's and Ullman's reaction would be adverse. Long would carry a grudge into a second conference and on other matters he would be handling in the future - i.e. the energy package. Long talked with Waggonner last night and indicated this. He also urged Joe to urge the President to sign it. Joe suggested carefully considering what factors the President could hang a veto on. The budget deficit. The $52B deficit at time of President's $16B proposal. Deficit projection much higher now. Joe doesn't want President to lose on this. Suggests waiting a few days. Feels that to get accurate reaction, the President will have to get the word out to the country on the bad aspects of bill in order to get the press to criticize it. Unless this is done, public reaction will probably be favorable. In summary, Joe sees a package that isn't much better. More tax reform items in it. Estimates only 30 Demo's would sustain. Some chance of sustaining, but would be tough. Demo caucus will work hard to override. Phil Landrum Landrum was a conferee. He feels the hard core recommittal vote was between 160 and 170 not 197 as members switched at last minute - a free vote for them. Critics of the bill who would sustain are in three groups: (1) Totally dissatisfied with the depletion provision - some felt it wasn't enough and others that it was too much. These members would probably sustain. FORD is LIBRARY OFFATO - 2 - (2) Dissatissfied with housing provision. In conference, Phil felt the provision was made nearly inoperative. This group would not vote to sustain. (3) Dissatisfaction with the $50 Social Security provision. On veto vote, probably 90% of the Demos in this group would vote to override. Therefore, the two things to look to are how many would stay with President on veto because of dislike for the depletion and the housing provisions. Generally, veto could not be sustained on rebate, investment tax credit or tax reduction. Therefore, considerable risk in veto. Undoubtedly, second bill would be worse. Demos would try to put Presi- dent in a hole with a $30 + B bill. Afraid if reopened, rebate, social security and housing provisions would get worse. Let it simmer for a few days. Phil feels public response will be favor- able. Sees Long worse than he was in this conference. Doesn't think House conferees would be the same as rules allow anyone on Ways and Means to be conferee. Run risk of liberal members becoming conferees and a more generous social security provision. Does not think veto can be sustained. Dan Rostenkowski Feels "President would make a terrible mistake by vetoing bill." President initiated fact that dollars should be pumped into the economy. That he has a bill that isn't too much higher. This economic approach should be considered an experiment to pump the economy up. Must let the experiment work - - "would hurt himself badly" if he didn't. Congress would send a worse bill down if he vetoes. Recommittal vote not an indicator at all. Many taking a free ride. If signed, President should say he has compromised with the Congress and wants partnership. He compromised two-thirds of the way on oil tariff, has cooperated well with the leadership but the leadership are gadflys". GERAL FORD LIBRARY - 3 - President should say he hopes in future the Congress will be willing to compromise. President is trying to make the partnership work. If vetoed, Congress will say he didn't compromise, didn't want partner- ship, President wants it all his way. Dan feels the committees won't be in a hurry to write a new bill. Congress is on the spot now - the President would put himself on the spot. Long said in the conference that "we better get all our apples in here because the President will be vetoing all bills in the future that cost." Dan feels public reaction is very favorable. Dan thinks the world of the President and wants to help him. He told me he would have voted to sustain the oil tariff veto as he felt the President had compromised. He is very sincere in his support of the President. Doug's Thoughts as Conference Observer Long was very tough in conference. His reaction to a veto would be very adverse. Would be even tougher on a second bill if vetoed. Would be very hard to deal with on future legislation before Finance committee. House conferees tried very hard on social security and housing. Long did not give up gracefully. He was getting annoyed at House conferees at end of conference. Ullman's position would be weakened by a veto. This would hurt in Ways and Means and in future conferences from the standpoint of his chairing the committee. We need him for future legislation. He would react adversely to a veto. Al told me he sincerely hoped the President would sign the bill - he felt it was the best he could get. GERALD FORD LIBRARY March 27, 1975 BOB DOLE (R-Kansas) Will vote to override a veto. PAUL J. FANNIN (R-Arizona) Will vote to sustain, but declines to advise on whether or not to veto. BARRY GOLDWATER (R-Arizona) Will vote to sustain a veto. His press releases against the tax bill have been very favorably received in Arizona. MILTON YOUNG (R-North Dakota) Will vote to sustain. Recommends veto. However, he feels it is unlikely that we have sufficient votes in Senate. He voted against the bill because of the huge deficit and feels that passing out valueless money is an empty, shallow and misleading political tactic on the part of the Democrats. JOHN McCLELLAN (D-Arkansas) Will vote to sustain a veto, but will not presume to advise the President on whether he should veto or not. He thinks the House will have the votes to sustain. He feels the relief the bill offers will be temporary only and, as in the case of a stimulant, when the temporary relief wears off the pain might be worse. HENRY BELLMON (R-Oklahoma) Will vote to sustain a veto but is uncertain how to advise on the veto decision. He objects strongly to the legislation's attempt to clobber the energy industry. Would recommend a veto if economic advisers feel certain we have "bottomed out" and that the economy is now on the beginning of an upswing. TED STEVENS (R-Alaska) Traveling in Alaska - unable to reach. HOWARD BAKER (R-Tennessee) Would have voted for the bill but "probably" will vote to sustain a veto. FORD & LIBRARY 07V839 POD BOB PACKWOOD (R-Oregon) Would have voted against Conference report. Thinks President could veto it if economy is on upswing. Still thinks a straight stimulative cut would have been desirable. CHARLES PERCY (R-Illinois) Would have voted (reluctantly) for the Conference Report. Would advise President sign bill. ROBERT GRIFFIN (R-Michigan) Would support President if he vetoes the bill. However, he thinks the "P. R. " problem would be difficult. J. GLENN BEALL (R-Maryland) Thinks President should sign the bill with strong speech on its deficiencies. Should not use his chips trying to sustain veto but use them instead to hold up future spending bills. WTK STROM THURMOND (R-South Carolina) Recommends veto and, of course, will vote to sustain. POD FORD i 07V830 LIBRAR MAR 27 1975 THE WHITE HOUSE WASHINGTON M March 27, 1975 MEMORANDUM FOR THE PRESIDENT FROM: MAX L. FRIEDERSDORF m.6. SUBJECT: Tax Reduction Bill I am sending along a cross-section of Congressional opinion on your veto decision. There is strong disagreement on our ability to sustain with Republicans fairly confident and Democrats doubtful. Joe Waggonner's remarks are particularly interesting. It is my opinion that sustaining the veto would be close and could be lost if the Caucus and Democrat leadership broke off substantially our support from the 43 Democrats. FORD is LIBRARY GERALD THE WHITE HOUSE WASHINGTON March 27, 1975 MEMORANDUM FOR THE PRESIDENT FROM: MAX L. FRIEDERSDORF SUBJECT: Bob Michel/Herm Schneebeli/Barber Conable/ John Rhodes Congressman Bob Michel called you this morning and I took the call. Bob recommends a veto and feels that there is an excellent chance that your veto could be sustained in the House. He also made the point that quite a few Republicans voted against the Conference Report in the strong hope that you would veto the bill and also interpreted John Rhodes' remarks to indicate that you might veto the bill. (Rhodes indicated that you were seriously considering a veto but did not commit you in his closing remarks.) Michel's analysis of the vote indicates that of the 55 Republicans we lost on final passage, about 29 of them would be possibilities for voting to sustain your veto. Of this 29, he believes that about 20 are very strong possibilities on the vote to sustain. The 29 are: Broyhill, John Anderson, Broomfield, Bud Brown, Carter, Don Clausen, Madigan, McClory, Mitchell, John Myers, Hillis, O'Brien, Ruppe, Shriver, Regula, Kasten, Lagomarsino, Bill Stanton, Thone, Winn, Wydler, Don Young, Al Johnson, Frenzel, Lent, Horton, Hinshaw, Hammerschmidt and Esch. In addition, of the 7 Republicans absent, Michel believes that we could count on 6 of them and possibly 7. These are: Skubitz, Ashbrook, Cederberg, Dickinson, Erlenborn, Wiggins and Bell. Of the 13 Democrats absent on the vote, 3 were paired against the bill, including Passman, Ichord and Runnels. FORD -2- Bob and I also went over the 43 Democrats who voted against the bill and Michel believes that those 43 look pretty solid and he believes that losses on a vote to sustain could be held to one-half dozen or less. (I think this is too optimistic) In summation, Michel thinks the vote could be sustained and he recommends a veto. Congressman Herman Schneebeli -- We talked to Congressman Schneebeli today and he said that he is not recommending a veto although he believes that a veto stands a good chance of being sustained. Schneebeli said that you could make a good argument either way on the bill and he recommended that you wait a week and see what the reaction around the country indicates. He said that if you do decide to veto the bill, he thinks you could make a good case on the ill-considered housing provision which will cost $700 million, and the Social Security section which dips into the general treasury, as well as the other non-germane amendments. Schneebeli also said a veto could be tied in to the estimate made yesterday by the House Budget Committee of a $73.7 billion deficit. Schneebeli said that he would have no hard feelings if you signed the bill and believes you have the flexibility to do whatever you decide. Congressman Barber Conable -- Conable said today that he personally would like to see you veto the bill, but would not be upset whatever you do. He said you could justify a veto because the tax bill went too far, but he is not sure you would receive anything much better. Conable believes that you would have a good chance of sustaining and if you decided to do so you should talk loud and clear to the American people because they will not initially understand the issues involved as the Congress does. If you veto the bill, he suggested you talk 2 or 3 times about the bill before Congress comes back and emphasize FORD the adverse effects on the economy and how added inflation and spending will rob the people of their purchasing power. LIBRARY -3- Conable said that whatever your decision, he believes you should take your time, let the suspense build and dramatize your decision. He suggested that to focus attention on this, you might want to publicize your consultations with your economic advisors. Congressman John Rhodes -- Jack and I talked briefly with John after the vote last night and it was his belief that a veto could be sustained and I believe he would recommend a veto although we didn't talk to him again this morning because of his departure to China. COMMENTS FOR PRESIDENT'S CONSIDERATION Joe Waggonner Recommittal vote was not an indication of strength. There is not a good solid chance of a 10 to 12 vote change needed. Joe feels there is a possibility of switches in the Northeast - the three votes from Conn., for example. If vetoed, Demo Caucus will work hard to override. Thinks a second bill would not be much different - probably worse. Would be a bigger tax package, House would add tax reform items and kill a tax reform bill for this year. Long's and Ullman's reaction would be adverse. Long would carry a grudge into a second conference and on other matters he would be handling in the future - i.e. the energy package. Long talked with Waggonner last night and indicated this. He also urged Joe to urge the President to sign it. Joe suggested carefully considering what factors the President could hang a veto on. The budget deficit. The $52B deficit at time of President's $16B proposal. Deficit projection much higher now. Joe doesn't want President to lose on this. Suggests waiting a few days. Feels that to get accurate reaction, the President will have to get the word out to the country on the bad aspects of bill in order to get the press to criticize it. Unless this is done, public reaction will probably be favorable. In summary, Joe sees a package that isn't much better. More tax reform items in it. Estimates only 30 Demo's would sustain. Some chance of sustaining, but would be tough. Demo caucus will work hard to override. Phil Landrum Landrum was a conferee. He feels the hard core recommittal vote was between 160 and 170 not 197 as members switched at last minute - a free vote for them. Critics of the bill who would sustain are in three groups: (1) Totally dissatisfied with the depletion provision - some felt it wasn't enough and others that it was too much. These members would probably sustain. - 2 - (2) Dissatissfied with housing provision. In conference, Phil felt the provision was made nearly inoperative. This group would not vote to sustain. (3) Dissatisfaction with the $50 Social Security provision. On veto vote, probably 90% of the Demos in this group would vote to override. Therefore, the two things to look to are how many would stay with President on veto because of dislike for the depletion and the housing provisions. Generally, veto could not be sustained on rebate, investment tax credit or tax reduction. Therefore, considerable risk in veto. Undoubtedly, second bill would be worse. Demos would try to put Presi- dent in a hole with a $30 + B bill. Afraid if reopened, rebate, social security and housing provisions would get worse. Let it simmer for a few days. Phil feels public response will be favor- able. Sees Long worse than he was in this conference. Doesn't think House conferees would be the same as rules allow anyone on Ways and Means to be conferee. Run risk of liberal members becoming conferees and a more generous social security provision. Does not think veto can be sustained. Dan Rostenkowski Feels "President would make a terrible mistake by vetoing bill. " President initiated fact that dollars should be pumped into the economy. That he has a bill that isn't too much higher. This economic approach should be considered an experiment to pump the economy up. Must let the experiment work - "would hurt himself badly" if he didn't. Congress would send a worse bill down if he vetoes. Recommittal vote not an indicator at all. Many taking a free ride. If signed, President should say he has compromised with the Congress and wants partnership. He compromised two-thirds of the way on oil tariff, has cooperated well with the leadership but the leadership are'gadflys! - 3 - President should say he hopes in future the Congress will be willing to compromise. President is trying to make the partnership work. If vetoed, Congress will say he didn't compromise, didn't want partner- ship, President wants it all his way. Dan feels the committees won't be in a hurry to write a new bill. Congress is on the spot now - the President would put himself on the spot. Long said in the conference that "we better get all our apples in here because the President will be vetoing all bills in the future that cost." Dan feels public reaction is very favorable. Dan thinks the world of the President and wants to help him. He told me he would have voted to sustain the oil tariff veto as he felt the President had compromised. He is very sincere in his support of the President. Doug's Thoughts as Conference Observer Long was very tough in conference. His reaction to a veto would be very adverse. Would be even tougher on a second bill if vetoed. Would be very hard to deal with on future legislation before Finance committee. House conferees tried very hard on social security and housing. Long did not give up gracefully. He was getting annoyed at House conferees at end of conference. Ullman's position would be weakened by a veto. This would hurt in Ways and Means and in future conferences from the standpoint of his chairing the committee. We need him for future legislation. He would react adversely to a veto. A1 told me he sincerely hoped the President would sign the bill - he felt it was the best he could get. March 27, 1975 BOB DOLE (R-Kansas) Will vote to override a veto. PAUL J. FANNIN (R-Arizona) Will vote to sustain, but declines to advise on whether or not to veto. BARRY GOLDWATER (R-Arizona) Will vote to sustain a veto. His press releases against the tax bill have been very favorably received in Arizona. MILTON YOUNG (R-North Dakota) Will vote to sustain. Recommends veto. However, he feels it is unlikely that we have sufficient votes in Senate. He voted against the bill because of the huge deficit and feels that passing out valueless money is an empty, shallow and misleading political tactic on the part of the Democrats. JOHN McCLELLAN (D-Arkansas) Will vote to sustain a veto, but will not presume to advise the President on whether he should veto or not. He thinks the House will have the votes to sustain. He feels the relief the bill offers will be temporary only and, as in the case of a stimulant, when the temporary relief wears off the pain might be worse. HENRY BELLMON (R-Oklahoma) Will vote to sustain a veto but is uncertain how to advise on the veto decision. He objects strongly to the legislation's attempt to clobber the energy industry. Would recommend a veto if economic advisers feel certain we have "bottomed out" and that the economy is now on the beginning of an upswing. TED STEVENS (R-Alaska) Traveling in Alaska - unable to reach. HOWARD BAKER (R-Tennessee) Would have voted for the bill but "probably" will vote to sustain a veto. POD BOB PACKWOOD (R-Oregon) Would have voted against Conference report. Thinks President could veto it if economy is on upswing. Still thinks a straight stimulative cut would have been desirable. CHARLES PERCY (R-Illinois) Would have voted (reluctantly) for the Conference Report. Would advise President sign bill. ROBERT GRIFFIN (R-Michigan) Would support President if he vetoes the bill. However, he thinks the "P. R. " problem would be difficult. J. GLENN BEALL (R-Maryland) Thinks President should sign the bill with strong speech on its deficiencies. Should not use his chips trying to sustain veto but use them instead to hold up future spending bills. WTK STROM THURMOND (R-South Carolina) Recommends veto and, of course, will vote to sustain. POD MAR 28 1975 THE WHITE HOUSE WASHINGTON March 28, 1975 MEMORANDUM FOR THE PRESIDENT FROM: ROBERT K WOLTHUIS RKW SUBJECT: Tax Bill Barber Conable called early this afternoon and said he now feels that you should veto the tax bill for the following reasons. 1. Republican support in the House will be damaged if the bill is not vetoed. 2. Republican Members would not take other vetoes seriously especially on smaller spending bills. 3. The 125 who had the courage to vote against the bill may feel their vote was in vain. 4. The bill is highly inflationary and gives Conable the feeling he is sailing on the Lusitania. This is a hardening in Conable's position over the views he expressed yesterday. FORD is LIBRARY GENALD THE WHITE HOUSE WASHINGTON March 28, 1975 MEMORANDUM FOR THE PRESIDENT THROUGH: JOHN MARSH DON RUMSFELD MAX FRIEDERSDORF FROM: VERNON C. LOEN VL SUBJECT: Tax Reduction Act Conference Report (H.R.2166) Counsellor Marsh asked me to give you the benefit of those House contacts we have had since the vote Wednesday night. After talking personally with a number of members immediately after the vote, I feel sure a veto could be sustained. Among the 20 absentees who could be counted upon to sustain a veto are: Ashbrook, Bell, Cederberg, Dickinson; Erlenborn, Skubitz, and Wiggins, who in themselves constitute 7 of the necessary 20 vote gain from our 125-vote base. Democratic absentees who might well vote to sustain are: Fuqua, Hays of Ohio, Ichord, Passman, Rees (who took a walk on both votes after speaking against the rule) and Runnels. Among those who have told me they would switch their votes to sustain your veto are: Don Clausen, Don Young, George O'Brien, Bill Frenzel and Larry Pressler. Henson Moore, the freshman Republican from Louisiana, just called in strongly recommending a veto based upon public reaction to his "nay" vote in five towns of his District. Similarly, freshman Republican Tom Hagedorn of Minnesota, called to urge a veto based upon the public reaction in his District. He also voted "no". I believe you have received the input from Minority Leader John Rhodes, who strongly and publicly urged a veto; Barber Conable, who wants a veto, but will understand if you feel you must sign; and Democrats Joe Waggonner and Phil Landrum, who fear you will get a worse bill later. -2- If you intend to sign the measure, I believe the conservatives could be pacified by sending up legislation to repeal the offensive sections and with a strong signing statement that you will veto every inflationary measure coming to your desk regardless of how many voted for it. The huge budgetary deficits in prospect this year and next are having a real impact on the House now, particularly after the Budget Committee's report. Signing also could be justified if your economic advisors feel a tax stimulus still is necessary to combat recession. Still another factor to consider is the fate of your energy recommendations also resting in the hands of the Ways and Means Committee. If you sign, I would recommend a phone call in advance to Chairman Ullman to advise him of your decision and to urge his reciprocal action by moving speedily on an acceptable energy tax bill. Our staff is inclined to recommend that you sign the measure, but with the above caveats and perhaps with a simultaneous television address to the Nation. MAR 31 1975 March 28, 1975 W Dear Del: Thank you for your telegram urging that the President veto H.R. 2166, the Tax Reduction Act of 1975. I know that he will appreciate receiving the benefit of your views, and I shall see that they are called to his early attention. With kind regards, Sincerely, Vernon c. Loen Deputy Assistant to the President The Nonorable Del Clawson House of Representatives Washington, D.C. 20515 w/inc to Counsellor Marsh - FYI bee w/ine to Jim Cannon - for further handling VCL:EF:jk FORD is LIBRARY 078830 2 3-28 3 $ 5 C 6 dar Miljite stouse I 1 2 Washington 3 WHA102(1714) (1-#37456A#86)PD 03/27/75 1713 4 ICS IPMUAWA WSH ( 5 975 MAR 27 PM 6 11 6 11067 GOVT BUWASHINGTON DC 60 03-27 604P EDT 7 PMS HON GERALD R FORD PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES 8 9 WHITE HOUSE DC 10 REPORTS THAT YOU ARE CONSIDERING A VETO OF THE TAX BILL APPROVED ( 11 12 LAST NIGHT ARE HIGHLY ENCOURAGING. THE EXCESSES OF THIS 13 LEGISLATION ARE ALARMING. ITS INFLATIONARY IMPACT WILL ( 14 15 WRECK HAVOC, CREATING ECONOMIC DISLOCATION AND EVENTUAL 16 HARDSHIPS FOR THE INDIVIDUAL TAXPAYER FAR OUTWEIGHING ANY MINOR U 17 18 IMMEDIATE RELIEF. MR PRESIDENT, I RESPECTFULLY URGE 19 THAT YOU VETO THIS DISASTROUS BILL. 20 `21 DEL CLAWSON MEMBER OF CONGRESS 22 33RD DISTRICT CALIFORNIA. ( 23 24 25 NNNN ( 26 FORD LIBRARY MAR 3 1 1975 March 28, 1975 Dear Senator: Thank you for your telegram urging that the President veto H.R. 2166, the Tax Reduction u Act of 1975. I know that he will appreciate receiving the benefit of your views, and I shall see that they are called to his early attention. With kind regards, Sincerely, Bill William T. Kendall Deputy Assistant to the President The Honorable Deway F. Bartlett United States Senate Washington, D.C. 20510 bee w/inc to Counsellor Marsh - FYI bee w/inc to Jim Cannon - for further handling WTK:EF:jk FORD is LIBRARY DERALD Sen Dewey Bartlen 3-28 4 5 ( 6 House 1 Furbington 2 3 WHB (1652) (1-#36274 A086) PD 03/27/75 1649 4 ICS IPMNAWB WSH 1975 MAR 27 PM 5 49 5 6 7 09053 GOVT NFWASHINGTON DC 183 03-27 531 P EST 8 PMS HON GERALD FORD 9 WHITE HOUSE DC 10 " I AM MOST CONCERNED ABOUT THE PASSAGE OF THE TAX REDUCTION ACT BY 12% THE CONGRESS LAST NIGHT. 13 14 CONSIDERING THE PRESENT STATE OF THE ECONOMY, A TAX CUT IS AP - 15 PROPRIATE; HOWEVER, THIS PACKAGE IS SO EXCESSIVE AND MISDIRECTED 16 17 AS TO BE INTOLERABLE. WITH AN ALMOST $25 BILLION TAX CUT, 18 OUR FEDERAL DEFICIT WILL PROBABLY REACH $100 BILLION IN FISCAL 19 20 YEAR 1976. UNDOUBTEDLY, SUCH A DEFICIT COUPLED WITH OUR EXISTING 21 $500 BILLION DEFICIT WILL HAVE SUCH AN INFLATIONARY IMPACT AS 22 23 TO WIPE OUT THE SHORT TIME BENEFITS. 24 25 ADDITIONALLY, THE IMPACT OF THIS BILL ON OUR NATION'S ENERGY 26 RESOURCES IS INCALCULABLE. IT MAKES NO SENSE ON THE ONE HAND TO 5 6 PROVIDE INCENTIVES FOR INDUSTRIES AND WITH THE OTHER HARNESS 7 8 THE VERY INDUSTRY WHICH PRODUCES THE MOST ESSENTIAL RESOURCE , WHICH IS ALSO IN THE SHORTEST SUPPLY. 10 11 MR. PRESIDENT, THE TAX REDUCTION ACT OF 1975 IS ANTIT HETICAL TO 12 BOTH YOUR FIGHT AGAINST INFLATION AND PROGRAM OF PROJECT 13 14. INDEPENDENCE. 15 I URGE THAT YOU VETO THIS LEGISLATION REGARDLESS OF WHETHER 16 17 IT CAN BE SUSTAINED. AS A FISCAL CONSERVATIVE YOUR NAME SHOULD 18 NOT BE ASSOCIATED WITH WHAT IS THE MOST EXTRAVAGANT FEDERAL 19 20 PROGRAM IN HISTORY. 21 22 SINCERELY, 23 DEWEY F BARTLETT USS 24 FORD LIBRARY 25 26 NNNN MAR 3.1 1975 March 28, 1975 Doar Bob: n Thank you for your telegram urging that the President veto H.R. 2166, the Tax Reduction Act of 1975. I know that he will appreciate receiving the benefit of your views, and I attention. shall see that they are called to his early With kind regards, Sincerely, Vernon C. Loen Deputy Assistant to the President The Honorable Robert W. Daniel, Jr. House of Representatives Washington, D.C. 20515 Nee w/inc to Counsellor Marsh - - FYI bee w/inc to Jim Cannon - for further handling VCL:EF:jk FORD is LIBRARY SERALD ( 3-2 1 2 3 4 6 $ The White House Y obtngton 2 3 WHA074 (1356) (1-022924A086)PD #3/27/75 1356 4 ICS IPMUAWA WSH 1975 MAR 27 PM 2 53 5 6. 11941 GOVT BUWASHINGTON DC 8 #3-27 246P EQT 7 PMS THE PRESIDENT ( 8 9 WHITE HOUSE DC 10 ,I URGE YOU TO VETO THE TAX BILL. " 12 ROBERT W DOTEL JR MEMBER OF CONGRESS. 13 14 15 NNNN (Damel 16 17 18 19 ( 20 21 22 23 24 25 Y 26 GERALD R. LIBRARY FORD