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File scanned from the National Security Adviser's Memoranda of Conversation Collection at the Gerald R. Ford Presidential Library
MEMORANDUM
THE WHITE HOUSE
WASHINGTON
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MEMORANDUM OF CONVERSATION
PARTICIPANTS:
President Ford
Dr. Henry A. Kissinger, Secretary of State and
Assistant to the President for National Security
Affairs
Major General Brent Scowcroft, Deputy Assistant
to the President for National Security Affairs
DATE AND TIME:
Wednesday, November 13, 1974
9:35 - 10: 17 a. m.
PLACE:
The Oval Office
The White House
GERALD
LIBRARY
President: Butz -- should we bring him back?
Kissinger: It is not right that the whole issue of the World Food Conference
resolved around the food aid question. There is the whole issue of the
organizational arrangements for handling the basic problem.
We are with respect to the world like Truman was with Europe after
the War. There is a huge gap of leadership. Someone must fill it or there
will be chaos. It will be filled, and this is your historic opportunity.
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These organizations are not really needed -- there is another way to do
it -- but there was too with the Marshall Plan. But these give something
around which to mobilize attention. There is no way to solve the food
problem now. In order to solve the food problem we must leave the impres-
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sion that we are reorganizing to deal with the problem, and while there will
be one or two years of shortage, we will then be organized to deal with it.
In energy, I am doing the same thing. I am proposing an inter-
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national organization for recycling. And each major country will throw in
a million tons to a pool, with a higher target if others wish.
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President: Repeat the recycling of funds so I get it in mind.
Kissinger: Each country contributes a percentage to a fund which lends
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at the commercial rates. It avoids their having to go to the producers
on their knees. Simon is for it but he would keep the figure flexible --
up to $25 billion.
President: Simon wanted to see me today. Is it about this?
Kissinger: He wants to give a speech also, and he wants the figures. He
shouldn't -- either you or me. I want it as part of a world structure. If
he does it, it is a structure for finance ministers.
President: You go ahead. I will talk to him.
Kissinger: This has already been proposed with the Five. This just makes
it public. If it is only general, then there will be a haggle over setting up
the details.
President: May I have a draft? I am giving a press conference.
Kissinger: I will get it to you today. It is your speech.
Quito ended as expected but we could do nothing else.
I am seeing Makarios today.
President: I read the Turks have withdrawn 5, 000 men.
Kissinger: They didn't want to give Ecevit the credit. The new Prime
Minister is 70 years old and has been out of politics for 30 years.
I had a report from Ankara that Ecevit's position was severely
undermined by the Congressional action.
You could say this was essentially worked out in October. Then
the Turkish vote delayed it and then the Turkish domestic crisis delayed
further. You could also say there have been anti-American riots in
Ankara.
President: Give me a Q&A.
Kissinger: General Brown basically okayed the Soviet proposal. He had a
few nitpicks: MX, and a 200 differential.
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3.
It is useful to count the British weapons -- because there is no
way we can get to 2400. [He described the paper. ]
We can get to 1262/2200 by 1983. By '85 we can go to 1320 and
2350.
The JCS should give you a medal for this. You give them the
Trident and the B-1.
President: It's quite a statement Brown made [about Jews. ] Schlesinger
will have a press conference.
Kissinger: He will pull away. I think we say it was ill-advised and doesn't
reflect your views.
President: We should get this to Schlesinger.
Kissinger: He will not buck the Jewish Community. This is the one
problem we have with him. He keeps making you the heavy. This is bad.
He should plead technical problems; then you can be the good guy whenever
you want to make some concessions.
[He hands him the SALT memo. ]
President: Does this incorporate George's idea?
Kissinger: He would not object. We would propose 22/24 but until '83.
A limit of 180 on heavies.
You will get hit bu the left and the right. The right won't be bad
but the left will say it is not an arms control agreement.
President: Could I have the arguments that both sides would make?
Kissinger: Jackson may even get to the left on this.
The left will hit you and the answer is we are putting a cap on the
arms race, gives both sides a program which lessens tension, and
stabilizes the arms race. Having stabilized it, we can then put our efforts
into reducing.
President: I thought the left and the Chinese wouldn't like it. It keeps
the Soviet Union high.
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Kissinger: They won't like the fact of an agreement. They would like
to keep the Soviets down but us up. I think this makes it easier for us
to keep the defense budget up.
President: I agree. If they don't do it, we have something to attack
them.
Kissinger: The major argument is that it ends the arms race.
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