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File scanned from the National Security Adviser's Memoranda of Conversation Collection at the Gerald R. Ford Presidential Library
MEMORANDUM
THE WHITE HOUSE
WASHINGTON
CONFIDENTIAL
MEMORANDUM OF CONVERSATION
PARTICIPANTS:
President Ford
Walter Judd
Lt. Gen. Brent Scowcroft, Deputy Assistant
to the President for National Security Affairs
DATE AND TIME:
Thursday - January 23, 1975
1:05 p. m.
PLACE:
The Oval Office
The White House
Judd: I appreciate your seeing me. I was never able to meet with your
predecessor. I see you have a very busy schedule.
President: A delegation of Soviet journalists is coming in. Then the
Northeastern Governors to talk about energy.
Judd: I want to mention three things about China and the Middle East. The
rumors are that you will agree to establish full diplomatic relations with
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Peking on your trip there this year. I hope not, for three reasons: One,
there is no need to. There areno advantages to gain that we don't already
have. The Liaison Offices can do everything that is needed. I agree with
the improvement of relations so far as it can be done while maintaining
diplomatic relations with Taiwan. In Peking they need us now more than
we need them. While Chou is on top, it is not a real victory for them yet,
because there has been no purge of their opponents. I think a major reason
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he prevailed to the extent he did was because he established relations with
the United States. They won't break relations with us, because that would
weaken them against the Soviet Union. So I think let's keep things just as
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they are.
Teng is the best administrator they have. Chou is as tough as they
come. He's clever; I think his illness is mostly practical. Diplomatic
relations are not really necessary, because we have now what we need
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President: I have not focused on this yet. I've been too busy with the
economy and energy. I respect your views and I will consider them
carefully.
Judd: We have leverage now and we should keep it that way. Taiwan is
a showcase for us, and it keeps the people on the Mainland in trouble for
that reason. It is a model for an underdeveloped country. If we could
have full relations with both -- fine. But they won't permit that. Secretary
Kissinger has said that we won't improve relations with our enemies at the
expense of our friends. If we give up Taiwan, it would hurt our policy all
over Asia -- especially in Korea.
Letme go to the second point. When Secretary Kissinger went to
Peking and came back, that' okay. But if he stops in other places, that
is bad if it doesn't include Taiwan -- that's a signal. When he goes and
you go -- don't visit other countries and exclude Taiwan.
The third pointis this: I think you and Secretary Kissinger should tell
Japan and the others strongly that we may have to use force, but don't do
it publicly. Public threats are the worst possible thing for the Arabs. They
would kill themselves for face and to avoid embarrassment. Samson is a
good case. Do it privately, not publicly.
President: I assume you read what Secretary Kissinger actually said in
the Business Week interview.
Judd: Sure, they pressed him into a corner.
President: And the press keeps at it.
Judd: But you, too, said some thing.
President: Mine was in the context of food versus oil.
Judd: I thought you used the word "weapon."
President: Only in that sense. We are working very hard on the Middle
East; I hope both sides can be realistic, and we have a chance to see some
progress.
Judd: It is a terrible problem because both sides are right. It has to
be raised above the level of justice to that of wisdom. It is better for both.
FORD
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