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File scanned from the National Security Adviser's Memoranda of Conversation Collection at the Gerald R. Ford Presidential Library
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Memorandum of Conversation
TITLE
Ford, Kissinger
CREATION DATE
10/13/1975
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COLLECTION/SERIES/FOLDER ID
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COLLECTION TITLE
National Security Adviser. Memoranda of
Conversations
BOX NUMBER
16
FOLDER TITLE
October 13, 1975 - Ford, Kissinger
DATE WITHDRAWN
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MEMORANDUM
THE WHITE HOUSE
WASHINGTON
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PARTICIPANTS:
President Ford
Dr. Henry A. Kissinger, Secretary of State and
Assistant to the President for National
Security Affairs
Lt. General Brent Scowcroft, Deputy Assistant
to the President for National Security Affairs
DATE AND TIME:
Monday, October 13, 1975
9:16 - 10:32 a. m.
PLACE:
The Oval Office
The White House
Kissinger: I suspect that someone in FEA who is against government
trading leaked it [the discount we were seeking on Soviet oil.
Dobrynin said if we try to hid the discount it willcome out anyway.
Now it has leaked. I think now we ought to sign the grain agreement
and the letter of intent and let things calm down. The Soviets are really
mad.
President: I think we really ought to get the grain deal as soon as
possible. We can't hold the farmers off much longer. Was FEA over
there with Robinson?
Kissinger: Yes. It could have been Agriculture -- they want to move
out on the grain and forget about the oil.
President: What does the letter of intent say?
Kissinger: It lets things cool for 30 days. Maybe we can extend that
to 60 days to coincide with Maritime agreement.
President: Let's get the grain deal as soon as possible, and time
is not of the essence on the oil deal.
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Henry A. Kissinger
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Kissinger: The clause in the oil letter says "at prices attractive to
both sides, 11 but there is nothing specific. We must be sure we
leave nothing for Jackson to get hold of
President: If we have a good grain deal
Kissinger: We definitely do -- there is no question about that.
President: Then let's go that way.
Kissinger: On the Turkish elections, both sides can claim a victory.
The chief losers were Erbakan and the minority parties. I think it
is slightly positive, or certainly not negative. I think you should
write to Demirel now.
President: We need to get Callaghan and the others working on Demirel.
Kissinger: Yes. We will.
President: How about aid to Greece?
Kissinger: Karamanlis doesn't want a commission to come. But I
will send Kubisch back to push economic negotiations. Maybe you
should see him for 10 minutes.
President: Time is of the essence. Brademas and Sarbanes are sitting
in the weeds waiting. Come January they will really lay it to us.
Kissinger: I sent Walters to Morocco to say that Shultz could meet
with the PLO. If it blows, we will have a big uproar with Israel.
If we do, I'll say Shultz is on his own. Fahmy has asked about it.
I'll say you will talk when Sadat is here. We can't put that in a cable.
Shultz should go.
Have we heard from Schmidt?
Scowcroft: No. We heard from one of his guys Saturday. He has
written Giscard and made a press statement, but he's had no response.
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President: Will the wives go?
Kissinger: I think not. But Mrs. Ford could go and stay in Paris.
[General Scowcroft leaves for a moment. ]
Kissinger: Since you won't be going elsewhere on your China trip,
how about the departure time ?
[There is a discussion of Alaska activities and the best arrival time
in Peking. ]
President: Let's leave the day after Thanksgiving. Draw up options
for a return both through Hawaii and through Alaska.
Kissinger: On the substance, I will negotiate a communique on my trip.
It is too dangerous to leave it to your trip. On the substance, we could go
a bit toward anti-hegemony. That would drive the Soviets wild. We
could move a bit on Taiwan toward acknowledging it as a part of China,
but not much. We could do some bilateral things, but they are mostly
for us. Then there is the claims.
President: Where does that stand?
Kissinger: I almost had it done a year and a half ago with Chou. They
had agreed when Chou got sick and they killed it. That is a barometer
of what relations they want with us. It might be good to settle while
you are there. Most of the rest is eyewash.
President: That is reassuring.
Kissinger: I am going to Canada and Trudeau is laying out the red
carpet. Nothing of substance.
Haig is here. I will discuss Yugoslavia and Italy.
President: Let's also ask him about cruise missiles.
Kissinger: Do you want to see Haig ?
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President: Yes, I'd like to.
Kissinger: On this intelligence business, I want you to know I think
I cannot tolerate junior people testifying on policy issues. Nor ani
I willing to follow Colby's precedent of letting them paw through
cables. Then there is this NSA staff coming out. [He gave a couple
of examples from the Horrock article in the New York Times. ]
President: Can't we prosecute ?
Scowcroft: Yes. I am suggesting we look into that. There is a
more damaging article by Tad Szulc in Penthouse.
Kissinger: It is disastrous. We have no secrets left.
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CREATION DATE
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VOLUME
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COLLECTION/SERIES/FOLDER ID
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COLLECTION TITLE
National Security Adviser. Memoranda of
Conversations
BOX NUMBER
16
FOLDER TITLE
October 13, 1975 - Ford, Kissinger
DATE WITHDRAWN
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