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File scanned from the National Security Adviser's Memoranda of Conversation Collection at the Gerald R. Ford Presidential Library
MEMORANDUM
THE WHITE HOUSE
WASHINGTON
SEGRET/NODIS/XGDS
MEMORANDUM OF CONVERSATION
PARTICIPANTS:
President Ford
Dr. Henry A. Kissinger, Secretary of State
Brent Scowcroft, Assistant to the President
for National Security Affairs
DATE & TIME:
Wednesday, April 21, 1976
9:20-9:55 a.m.
PLACE:
The Oval Office
Kissinger: If the speech is the one you sent me, I think it is good.
I don't think a President can say we are second best.
President: I agree. We had quite a battle over it, but Brent and
I won.
Kissinger: I am having a bureaucratic brawl with Dent. I have cut
off his cables. I think it is an issue of principle. If we give Long
cables, we soon will have to do it in all other areas.
President: Could we separate the MTN cables from other cables?
Why does he need anything else?
this continues, Cabinet officers will soon be claiming a legislative
E.O.
BY NSC MEMO, GUIDELINES
NARA, DATE 7/1/04
Kissinger: It isn't the sensitivity, it is a matter of principle. If
mandate against the President.
DECLASSIFIED
Scowcroft: I agree it is a basic issue of your authority.
Kissinger: I will try to work it out with Fred, but he sent me a sharp
letter and may come to you.
On my Africa trip. There are signs the Communists and radicals may
try to turn our trip into a trip like Nixon in Latin America in '59.
If they give me a hard time I would plan to give a Moynihan response.
SECRET/NODIS/XGDS
GERAL
SEGRET/NODIS/XGDS
2
President: Is your security adequate?
Kissinger: The usual thing. I am fatalistic about that. But if
Kaunda gives a speech in my presence like he did here, I would
like to talk back.
President: Go ahead.
Kissinger: But you could get some flak here. Basically I am with
the whites in Southern Africa. I think it is no better for the majority
to oppress the minority than vice versa. But in my comments I will
support majority rule in Rhodesia. I will say the same about South
Africa, but softer. I will strongly support repeal of the Byrd Amend-
ment, sending an emissary to Smith, and giving economic aid to
countries that have joined the blockade of Rhodesia. It will be
something of a sensation.
President: Do we have to send an emissary?
Kissinger: That is about the only thing we can do. Well, we can do
those three things.
President: Byrd repeal we are openly supporting. To me the
blockade aid sounds worse.
Kissinger: We are committed to that as part of UN action.
President: If you can bill it that way rather than as a bilateral move.
Kissinger: We will have a pretty good program for UNCTAD. There
is still an issue with Teasury but we are working that out on commodity
buffer stocks. Simon has been very good.
Lynn will oppose me but I think we have to propose some additional
aid as a result of Zaire and Zambia. I would like to discuss it in
principle.
President: Okay.
Kissinger: The contingency plans aren't doing well. On Cuba,
no one but you and I are in favor of cracking the Cubans. I would
like to order the interagency group to produce contingencies for you
whether they like it or not or agree with it or not.
SECREF/NODIS/XGDS
SEGRET/NODIS/XGDS
3
President: You know how I feel about that. By all means go ahead.
Kissinger: I was wondering also about my meeting with Gromyko.
I think we should try to calm them down. If they decide a Democrat
is better, they could make trouble for you. I could do it after NATO
or OECD and in Helsinki or Vienna.
Scowcroft: I wouldn't do it in conjunction with NATO.
President: When do we have to decide? I don't feel strongly about
the time, but I wouldn't do it in Helsinki.
Kissinger: We can wait until after my trip. I don't have to do it
in Helsinki in any case. You have a good point there.
SEGRET/NODIS/XGDS
2
3
Rodman
SEGRET/NODIS/XGDS
Dr tinal
MEMORANDUM OF CONVERSATION
PARTICIPANTS:
President Ford
Dr. Henry A. Kissinger, Secretary of State
Brent Scowcroft, Assistant to the President for
National Security Affairs
DATE & TIME:
Wednesday - April 21, 1976
9:20 - 9:55 a.m.
PLACE:
The Oval Office
Kissinger: If the speech is the one you sent me, I think it is good. I
don't think a President can say we are second best.
President: I agree. We had quite a battle over it but Brent and I won.
Kissinger: I am having a bureaucratic brawl with Dent. I have cut off
his cables. I think it is an issue of principle. If we give Long cables,
we soon will have to do it in all other areas.
the
M TN cables
President: Could we separate
N
from other cables? Why does he need anything else?
Kissinger: It isn't the sensitivity, it is a matter of principle. If this
a
continues, Cabinet officers will soon be claiming legislative mandate
against the President.
Scowcroft: I agree it is a basic issue of your authority.
Kissinger: I will try to work it out with Fred, but he sent me a sharp
letter and may come to you.
DECLASSIFIED
E.O. 12958, SEC. 3.5
N9C MEMO, 11/34/98, STATE DEPT. GUIDELINES state liview 3/12/04
BY
4 NARA. DATE 7/1/04
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they give me a hard time I would plan to give a Moynihan response.
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a speech in my pres_ence like he did here, I would like to talk back.
President: Go ahead.
flak
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whites in Southern Africa. I think it is no better for the majority to
oppress the minority than vice versa. But in my comments I will
support majority rule in Rhodesia. I will say the same about South
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Africa, but softer. I will strongly support repeal of Byrd, h send an
emissary to Smith, and giving give economic aid to 1 the blockade of Rhodesia.
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the interagency group to produce contingencies for you whether they
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President: You know how I feel about that. By all means go ahead.
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think we should try to calm them down. If they decide a Democrat is
better, they could make trouble for you. I could do it after NATO or
OECD and in Helsinki or Vienna.
Scowcroft: I wouldn't do it in conjunction with NATO.
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the time, but I wouldnt do it in Helsinki.
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Helsinki in any case. You have a good point there.
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