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cousin, Virginia, called the St. Louis office and told them whare I was going. Q. When DAVID FERRIE told you that CLAY SHAW was keaping HALE BOGGS in Congress, did he tell you who CLAY SHAW Shows: what ha did? A. He told me he was a wealthy financier and he was one of the wealthiest men in New Orlean and he mentioned `connection he, and then he mentioned a connection batween a man named KENT COURTNEY and then he also told me that ha was flying -- he had flown one trip with somebody named RICHARD LAUCHLI whom later I learned a little bit about. Q. did you know RICHARD LAUCHLI? A. I had mat him at the. Stove Works at Collinsville, Illinois, after I went back to Coulterville, Illinois. I had never been to Coulterville before, I should say that after my cousin left Illinois. Shortly thereafter when I was told to "Go West, young man" this young man left and I went to San Francisco, and there I remained in comparative safety and silenca because it does feel kind of good to have all of that money coming in exery month. Q. Did DAVE FERRIE ever talk to you about PERRY RAYMOND RUSSO? A. Yes. He never did say -- not all the names you're running off there. Q. Just PERRY RUSSO? A. He mentioned the name RUSSO and he called him numerous Russo : names but I strongly suspect there was something there. I would only be projecting. l. Dià DAVID FERRIE ever mention RUSSO in connection with CLAY SHAW? For example, in an earlier interview I had with you you told me that RUSSO was somehow involved in either taking money from SHAW A. But that is yet to ba determined. That is only what DAVID said. Q. What did ha say? A. He said something about it but the point was not too clear. He had a distinct -- he was very upset with RUSSO but I know he got money from -- I can't remember, three years is a long time for something that to me is insignificant. Insignificant for the fact that I had accepted the Warren Report. Q. Who said that? A. I had accepted the Warren Report. l. Have you ever read it? the -8-