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TELCON Senator Aiken Mr. Kissinger 7-14-69 12:35 PM K said Percy called him re his conversation with A. K said our xxx concern here is we think the biggest problem we face right now is to get Hanoi to frame of mind that they are willing to talk seriously - they seem to think if they just sit tight, American public opinion will force us into unconditional surrender. K said we are not interested in any endorsement of any specific policy but rather an appeal to Hanoi or some expression that makes it clear that those urging peace have in mind a reasonable peace and beyond that point not only urging their Government but Hanoi to make a contribution. K said we think this would be great national service. A agreed that it was a good thing to do but was not sure how to do it. A said he is not sure a group presentation is the right way. A said a majority was needed or it should be held to two or four. K said that makes sense to him. A said when you get up to 20 or 25 people it looks like that is all **xxitx it was and does not carry the weight. A said he told Percy he thought two or four would be more effective, provided they are the right ones. K asked whom A was thinking of and A said John Cooper, Percy. K asked about Mansfield and A said he does not know - Mansfield wanted more time to think it over. K asked if US Senators as a whole asked them to use their heads and common sense, would 1that be construed as weaken weakness too. A said no. K said what we want to get across to the other side is that it is their turn to be reasonable. A said he would talk to Mansfield some more about it. A said he was opposed to a deadline. A said he agrees they should be given fair warning that present policy is not helping them. K said we have gone a pretty long way toward meeting reasonable demands. A said he agreed and there should be some response. A said he personally thinks the Russians would like to see it over with. K agreed saying if they know how to do it. K agreed if we could not get sixty it would be better to do it with five. K said if A, Cooper, Mansfield, Percy and one other XXXX were to do it, it would be powerful backing. A mentioned Muskie or McIntyre. A said he would talk again to Mansfield. jm Reproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library DECLASSIFIED This document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.

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