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    "ocrText": "Telecon\nGeorge Rathjens\n2:30 p. m.\n11/5/69\nRathjens said he and Ruina and discussed K's problem and had called\nGarwin.\nThe three of them xhextxx felt strongly that were they to do the\npapers K asked for it would be inefficient. They are proposing an\nalternate where by an arrangement could be worked out SO they could\nspend some time looking over some of the papers that have been done\nalready SO they would not overlap on areas where the concern is not\nas much as in other areas.\nK said that would be reasonable, but what he needs most is what he had\nasked for at the meeting because that points K to his immediate problem.\nRathjens said\nthey really didn't understand what the problem was -- which things\nare\nmost bothersome to K. K said the thing he has to get solved here is\nwhether it is feasible to ban MIRVS and if it xx is\nxixha K\nhas never had anyone do a paper between moratorium and ban. K sa\nid\nmore\nhe has no trouble understanding that you can be/ lax in a moritarium\nthan in a ban. K wanted to know what the essential elements of a\nmoritorium should be. what should we get done in a moritorium to\nfigure whether it is worthwhile continuing. On some of the ABM issues\nlike SAM, the upgrading of some of the collateral measures on MIRV ban.\nSome say there are XXX no risks and some say there are strategic risks.\nThere is also the question of banning missile launchers but not radars.\nTo ban radars taks a long time to construct. K would like something\nSO when people say there are strategic risks, he would know what they\nare talking about. Rathjens asked if K had any papers prepared on these\nissues. K said he has agency positions where the JCS is willing to ban\nlaunchers but not radar because Soviet radar can be netted. K said he\nhad nothing that tells him what the risks are. ACDA will say there are no\nrisks. There are no papers on the relationship between moritoriums and\nbans. K said why they should be able to do something in three days which\nhe hasn't been able to do in three months, he understood. K didn't think it\nwould help though for them to look at the papers since the questions weren't\nanswered, but he didn't mind letting them see the papers. K said he they\ncould do a paper on moritorium and ban limitations it would help. and said\nthat XN that issue would be high priority. K said he would be glad to let\nthem see the summary of MIRV panel reports. x He said that if he could\nhave something by the 17th it would be apprefiated. Rathjens said he would\ncall back.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified."
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