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    "ocrText": "TELCON\nThe President\nMr. Kissinger\n7:00 p. m. 11-14-69\nP said with regard to the Fulbright thing. Fulbright wants to have an\ninformal conversation with you. P said I am inclined to have you do it\nprovided it is done on an informal basis. Should do it on a trade-off\nbasis. This thing of Rogers is very hard. I suppose I should call him\nand tell him but I hate to. P asked, if K had any problem with Laird.\nK said I have no problem with Laird. Laird is perfectly happy to\ndelay. K said it is impossible for two Cabinet Members to precede\nthe President. P said I think what has to happen - you raised it with\nBill, what did he say? K said he raised it yesterday and he wanted to\n;think about it. In connection with that, he said he wanted to think\nabout it. Then he said to Laird this morning he was going to take\nit up with you this morning.\nP said I will get him in after the NSC tomorrow. P said what time\nis the NSC. K said 10:00 .m. P said I will get him tomorrow on that.\nI will put it right to him. We can't screw around with it. P said I\nthink we have got a good play. What did they say?\nK said it is a cheap appeal to the American people. What they said was\nthe October 15 thing is primarily an appeal to the conscience of America\nand cannot be avoided by cheap appeals to Americanism. P said they\nare going to hear a lot more appeals. You cannot do it on the basis Rogers\nand Laird have suggested - that we buy time by troop withdrawals. K\nsaid that was a reasonable idea originally. I thought it would buy us\nsome time. As far as organizers work, they would be at us just as\nhard. P said I think there is a much deeper conspiracy than any of us\nrealize. K said they related to some of the things that happened this\nsummer.\nP\nsaid\nI\nthink\nPham\nvan Dong thing is a plus for us. Don't\nyou think so? K said yes I do. P said, incidentally I am going to use\nit on the 3d. I will have to nail people. I am going to say the protestors\nwill delay the war. K said I think you have no choice.\nP said the other point is looking at our hard road where Lodge will\nmake his sharp rejoinder. The way you have changed it is fine. Then\nyou change him and say rather than walk out, move for an adjournment,\nthen you don't have to tell Rogers. Another thing about this - we have\nto look at these things. Maybe this thing coming - they are triggering\nus. It is something that - take Laird. Don't you think this moratorium\nshakes him? K said yes I do. I think these opponents are out to get\nthe Presidency and you. P said one thing for sure, I will be here three\nyears - don't worry.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified."
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