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Jos. Kraft/Kissinger 9:30 am 2/3/70 -3- JK: I could not find "virtually infallible. 11 K: He has said that to many groups. JK: Nuclear blackmail? K: He may not have said it publicly. JK: What does it mean? K: You can't ask me to debate the merit of the statement. I want you to under- - stand what happened. JK: I am sorry if I gave you pain. If I am wrong, no one will be glader. If this is a wrong concern, these others with should be set straight in a hurry. K: On the substance, they will have that opinion. It will still be controversial. But it can be debated on it's merits. I will not discuss it except with someone like you. JK: Look at what happened between Smith and Gore. And Mansfield says it was like hell. K: Feelings were strong last year and they may be this year. We would like to prevent the depate we had last year. Howeverx, it comes out, it will be drastic to the SALT talksk. I will tell you either when the SALT talks or when this is solved -- I will tell you what has actually happened. The liberal should not always assume that there is a demon who is trying to wreck things. There cannot be any interest in having another brutal debate. We are talking about marginal not a qualitative change. JK: If this is your approach then there has been a blunder. a K: You said we had masked our true feelings last year. It was a planxixgs group of Harvard proffessors brought to me and later reniged on. We are doing nothing substantially different from last year. It's a debate that has been triggered pre- maturely and without knowing what it is all about. We have tried to do it with some sense towards the SALT talks and without any attempt to load the scaled. All the people have seen every paper that has gone forward to the Preisdent. What interest could someone have to ram something through. JK: Two explanations have been given. One is to *xxx talkx take high anti- communist ground against the Democrats and the other you are thought to be the architect --

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