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Dobrynin
12/17/70 6:10 p. m. page 3
D: Anothing thing I WO uld like to ask in connection with this.
Ivanov case is in the clear and I am thankful. On the second situation,
I asked x was it really on behalf of the White House or the State Depart-
ment. I would like to know whether it was done with the knowledge of the
White House -- the demand from us to return the Soviet citizen to the
United States. It was an unbelieveable demand. It was an official de-
mand from the US Government to my government. He is a Soviet citizen
but the US Government demanded the return of a Soviet citizen. The
reaction in Moscow would be very strong.
K: Obviously there is no connection.
D: It is clear now. But was it cleared by the White House?
K: This is strictly between us -- I would be in great trouble if
this
--I was totally unaware of this and so was the President
and I don't know how much of a record you want to make of this.
D: It's already in Moscow -- it was sent yesterday.
K: If you have such a thing as an informal communication, I recom-
mend that this bek handled in a low-key manner.
D: But iw it was on behalf of the US Government to the Soviet government.
K: I don't know how much we want to prolong a naturally fruitless exchange
D: This is what I am wondering. It is a fruitless base. It's completely
hopeless and fruitless.
K: Whatever one may think of what happened and the judgment involved,
it is now simply an internal American matter.
D: But now it comes to us.
K: What can be done? We don't want to prolong an exchange on this.
D: It will be dropped if you authorize me to say this was done without
authorization.
K: Then what would happen?
D: I could say drop this issue.