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    "ocrText": "Gov. Rockefeller/Kissinger\n1:50 p. m.\n4/7/71\n-2-\nK: And how the leaders support it.\nR: Aiken didn't help.\nK: He is stepping up withdrawal rate slightly but that's not the issue. We can\nplay the numbers game. Do we get out now or responsibly? The worst thing we\ncan do is step it up and force us to collapse. The difference between 18 and\n14, 000 collapses Thieu but makes no difference here. The opponents -- so many\npeople have a vested interest in failure. The gloating when our country looses\nis not to be believed.\nR: Exavtly. Ltx\nK: It's a traumatic period in our history. 2-3 years from now we will look\nback and wonder how we could do this.\nR: Thank God you can see it from the perspective of a few years.\nK: ? ? ? ? ? ? just head for the ships.\nR: Howeverx Whoever is President in the next 4 years will have to get out and\ngo down as a traitor to the country. But we won't because of you.\nK: That's nice.\nR: No one has the capacity to do it.\nK: No one has talked about the WH\nin the last 3 weeks. Could I ask\nyou -- would be a nice gesture if you could call after the speech. It won't get\nout.\nR: We are flying down to NY tonight. I am waiting on 10 welfare reform bills.\nK: I know you have many pressures on you but if you could say something\nprivately to him it would be a great gesture.\nR: The pressure must be tremendous.\nK:\nWe have talked about some characteristics (?). Here he has been all alone\nagain with no one with him or anyone calling to say they are with him. He is\nPresident of the U. S. No one else will see us through. With the Russians and\nChinese and M. E. , I don't see how people can afford to destroy the President.\nR: I almost went down on the budget last week.\nK: We were on the West Coast because it didn't make a difference. On"
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