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TELCON President/Kissinger 9:20 a. m. 8/14/71 P: Last minute check. How's it going? K: Very quiet. P: How about Pakistan? K: All cables send out yesterday and program under way. P: Bill agreed to having some -- K: Murray Williams as coordinator. Question of big enough name. P: Let's build himup. Why doesn't he ask a distinguished group to work with him. McCloy, Perkins. Just do it. Don't check with Bill. Perkins, that sort. K: Perkins -- when you rehabilitate a fellow he is very loyal. P: In whole field of refugee thing we have lots of people. Herbert Hoover used to do a lot of this and Hoover Institue should have names. An outstandin; committee of 5 people to go with him or be advisers on Pakistan relief. K: Refugee relief SO there's no Pakistan or India. P: What about Vietnam? K: Still building in DMZ. We are asking if building. Northern part of DMZ. P: If it breaks down we can baoxx knock them down. K: If they attack across DMZ P: They struck the blow and we give them hell. K: Particularly with what we have done. It would be their answer. Hanoi is blasting Peking. P: Could be bad for your trip. How blasting them? K: They can have strategy of weakening socialist camp and we are doing it. P: Get that to the conservatives.