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February 5-10, 1972

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TELCON Mr. Kissinger/Jerry Smith 2/5/72 10:20 a. m. HAK: Welcome back home. JS: Thank you. I wanted to report I am available when anyone wants to talk about SALT. HAK: Early next week--Monday - morning maybe. JS: Is that when the Verification Panel is meeting? HAK: Oh hell, let's have the Verification Panel meet on Wednesday. JS: Good, I can get my thoughts together by Wednesday. HAK: We have to get the defense plan on the table. Let them present it--I am glad you are there for it. Laird is submitting the paper to the President We have to examine it. JS: I will be glad to examine it. HAK: I have had no other conversations with Dobrynin on the subject. He seems to be badly informed about what was going on. JS: My last conversation with Sab , there was no flexibility. HAK: I don't know how to interpret that. JS: It sounds as though he was signaling something. HAK: On the first or second comment? JS: On the second comment. HAK: The second remark was ambiguous. My impression is that there will be an agrement. Dobrynin basic attitude was that it would be settled. On the submarine , I don't know. I don't understand the chiefs. Why a big program and limitations. Why is the ICBM's to our disadvantage when they are building them and we are not? JS: Okay Henry. We'll see you next week.

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