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Ambassador Dinitz/Secretary Kissinger
August 2, 1974
12:05 P.M.
D: It was a lovely evening last night.
K: And substantive too. And it was the frankest talk that has ever
been held below Golda's level.
D: Yes, and he is the only one who can have this kind of talk
I
would say that
K: I could see you suffering from time to time.
D: No, no. I didn't. There is one thing I have always tried to keep
in our relations, SO sometime when my colleagues take extreme
positions, I try to
K: I just wanted a direction from him. I have enough now to be able
to talk generally.
D: It wasn't suffering on my part, it was a concern that you realized
enough to place it in the right mosaic. The idea of something
negative would never be accepted what he thinks of as the final
solution is the lowest of denominators of what he can get. But it was
important to express the view.
K: I don't think we should worry ab out the final solution. Any
attempt to getting a final solution will lead to war. I don't think
we should face that now.
D: I don't think that was the int entition.
K: I talked to Schlesinger this morning as I told you. I do not have
the impression that
was as much of a surprize as you think.
The real problem is the one I have given to you. You can tell Allon
that he is not going back empty handed SO he can ease his mind on
that.
D: Do you think he will have results before he leaves?
K: Yes. Unless there is a paralysis at the White House this weekend.
D: I heard reports that he was aboard on the boat last night with his
friend. And about you spending time at the White House
K: And that was speculation. That Ispent the day at the White House,
just speculation.
DECLASSIFI
E.O. 13526, Section 3.5
NWN09-64/14037 Per Hr. 9/29/2014
By
TWIH NARA, Date 10/11/2016
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