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Amb. Dobrynin/Kissinger
9:10 a. m.
5/11/71
-6-
D: I could tell you from this tée gram that answer to what youx proposed is
still not approved. This telegram is the second from Gromyko. He emphatically
denies it here.
K:
What's going to happen -- if we don't straighten this out we will be forced
to give a formal answer in Vienna and it will be total confusion.
D: Smith is confused and trying to present a case he didn't know.
K: A case he didn't advocate before. He had other ideas before.
D: Safeguards against Moscow.
K: The he wouldn't get if Semonov
D: Everything you mentioned was his interpretation.
K: Semonov made those points on the boat.
D: He has his instructions. I don't know whether -- I don't know. Semonov
has to follow instructions or he will loose his job. When he denieis it I am
sure Semonov will not on a second time report the same story. What he X
could do if they discussed in detail , he will see how Smith will react and then
report back to Moscow. What's important and you should ask Smith was there
an official proposal?
K: No text. I will get his memo.
D. It would be helpful to me.
K: I will have it by the end of the day.
D: A brief summary.
K:
I have to tell you that the -- your formal position I understand but the fact
is that Smith believes sincerely and since he doesn't know I ever discussed it
and he has had different ones --
D: I can now finish this telegram. Semonov said he discussed only what was
discussed before. He emphasized that he was on previous position which I gave
to you before and that freezing would be settled after ABM You check it.
Semonov said simultaneiously or before.
K: I can tell you that really there's a hell of a strange feeling. We find it
strange that there should be an answer as far down as Gartov. (cont.
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