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TELCON (HOME)
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The President/Mr. Kissinger
December 5, 1971 (??)
P:
An oral message. But to who, that stupid Dobrynin.
DCM
K:
No, no; to Vorontsov here. Dobrynin ICN.
P:
Well, I want it to be from me to Brezhnev.
K:
You don't want it in writing, do you?
P:
It doesn't bother me, if that will help. Whatever will help the most
do.
K:
Well, let me draft something and show it to you first thing in the
morning.
P:
Why, what would be the dis -- well, the main thing -- rather
than
waiting a day, if it's going to be oral, get him in today.
K:
Okay, why don't I get Vorontsov in today.
P:
Get him in today and tell him I've just talked with you on the phone;
that the President would send this in writing but he wants this oral
message to go from him; I don't want to use the hotline; you know, give
him a little of that crap and that, Mr. Chairman, we have developed
this very good relationship, I'm delighted but I must be very frank with
you on first in the Mid-East we made very great progress and I would
be interested to discuss this -- Dr. Kissinger will discuss with Dobrynin
when he returns. Then, now, on India-Pakistan we find your attitude
very hard to understand and what are you going to do? And we have
got to play it with that with them on that and the same true, Henry, on
the -- it will make them realize that's where our three-day strike is
also going to help.
K:
Exactly.
P:
You see, we have just got to -- and Bill to my surprise, I didn't do
any convincing so apparently whatever the WSAG meetings or something,
he got
K:
Oh, yeah, I gave it very hard to Sisco so he got it from Sisco
P:
He was totally on board.
K:
Good.
P:
But all he said was, he says I'm glad -- I told him what a good job Sisco
had done but that didn't seem to -- he said, well, fine; we couldn't have
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