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UNIVERSITY OF MISSOURI COLUMBIA DEPARTMENT OF CHEMISTRY with Dr. Robnett, in which the cases of the girls who claimed to be suffering with radium poisoning were discussed. Dr. Robnett has had a wide experinece in radium therapy, but I serously doubt whether he has mastered the scientific aspect of radioactive changes. Among other matters he Sited the death of two physicists who had charge of the separation and tubing of the radium emanation in their hospital. These men occasionally had accidents and thus Anhaled quantities of radium emanation. Two of these men, he stated; to anemia, and if I understood him correctly he ascribed this disease to the active deposit resulting from the emanation. These men never had occasion to ingest solid radium salts. He also ascribed some of the effects to the active deposits on the walls of the room and on the objects in the room, claiming that the men were exposed to these radiations continuously and I gained the impres- sion that he considered the radium poisoning of the girls in similar light. That ip, it was the active deposit which caused the necrosis. I doubt whether Dr. Robnett takes into consideration the fact that the active deposit decays very, very rapidly indeed, and that the product of slow decay Radium D, is iso-topic with lead. and will thus be readily eliminated from the system, leaving no chance for the polonium to be produced in the system. I simply site this case as a typical example to illustrate the point I made in the previous para- graph- that medical mon, even experts in the use of radium, are not adequately posted in the science of radioactivity. I think this is an element in the situation which must not be overlooked. It is difficult to contend with. Coming now to your report entitled "The Experimental Determination of the Radium Present in Living Persons". There is one point in the paper which must be established on a much firmer basis before we can think of publi- cation. In making the determination of the emanation present in the expired air from Mrs. Dumshoff we obtained a value which I considered to be quite un- certain. A good deal depends upon the accuracy of thesdetermination. If I interpret correctly a set of readings which you made and which Dr. Flinn sent me on expired air from Mrs. Dumshoff, it seems to me that the value we obtained is incorrect and therefore that the value of the emanating power of redium de- posited in the bone marrow is quite too high. These experiments should be re- peated. Coming now to the detection of emanation in expired air by the scintillation method; our boys on the crystallizing work tried thisemethod during the winter. Our experiments were entirely qualitatively. They simply set up a Zinc sulfide screen and focused on it a microscope magnifying it forty times. I happened to have one of the Watson type called Holos, which are used in Rutherfords laboratory, as well as in the Vienna Laboratory for counting scintillations. The boys simply let their breath impiene on the screen and then they observed the scintillation. But since we had another devise, namely; the detection and counting of single Alpha particles in an ionization chamber, which could be used both in the daytime and at night they generally used the latter way of testing expired air. Our experiments are not of a quantitative nature==that is we have not standardized the Zinc screen. We can easily do this with one of the types of apparatus which I have set up. (See figure I on inclosed sketch. Figure 2 gives a very simpli- fied form) Would it not be very interesting to set up one of these and experiment with the expired air from Mrs. Dumshoff? With very kindest regards, I remain, Herman Sehlurdd Herman Schlundt HS/BB

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